F1 2021 Season

Jerch said:
Well obviously he would said that. The fact that he needed to explain it is enough evidence that I didn't interpreted it wrong.
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That's awful logic. The fact that he explained it, to mean something different to the way you interpreted it, means that you unquestionably interpreted it wrong.

It's time to put your bias to one side now and accept that there was nothing meant against Checo in his comment.
 
Jerch said:
My apologies, I keep forgetting that I'm posting in Hamilton fan club forum. My bad
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It's nothing to do with being a Hamilton fan club. It's more to the fact that I explained exactly what the comment meant and your delusion just sent you down the path of him slagging off another driver for zero reasons.

You just seem obsessed with trying to prove he must be a bad guy. Why get so personal? it's weird behaviour.
 
I personally think we've done the Hamilton/Perez discussion to death and nothing new will be said anymore.

So, instead of descending into vitriol again - how about something more interesting! Like - what's in store for Gasly next season? I think the door to Red Bull is firmly closed to him, and he's probably pretty comfortable where he is now. What are the chances that Alpha Tauri will get better next year with the new situation and he'll start getting podia? (As unpredictable as anything? Or would RB simply never let that happen to their B team?)
 
Cheimoon said:
I personally think we've done the Hamilton/Perez discussion to death and nothing new will be said anymore.

So, instead of descending into vitriol again - how about something more interesting! Like - what's in store for Gasly next season? I think the door to Red Bull is firmly closed to him, and he's probably pretty comfortable where he is now. What are the chances that Alpha Tauri will get better next year with the new situation and he'll start getting podia? (As unpredictable as anything? Or would RB simply never let that happen to their B team?)
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Gasly is in a bit of a tough spot unfortunately because I agree with you that the RB door is closed. Which means despite his amazing performances, he is going to be stuck at Alpha Tauri until another team gives him a chance.

Next year is so up in the air, who knows how competitive they’ll be.
 
Cheimoon said:
I personally think we've done the Hamilton/Perez discussion to death and nothing new will be said anymore.

So, instead of descending into vitriol again - how about something more interesting! Like - what's in store for Gasly next season? I think the door to Red Bull is firmly closed to him, and he's probably pretty comfortable where he is now. What are the chances that Alpha Tauri will get better next year with the new situation and he'll start getting podia? (As unpredictable as anything? Or would RB simply never let that happen to their B team?)
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I quite like Gasly , decent driver who if given the right car will challenge, but is he good enough to win a WC , now that I am not sure about.
While Horner and Newey are at RB I dont think there is even a remote chance of a RB return.
 
hobbers said:
Wondered if Mercedes would consider poaching Gasly when Lewis retires.

Gotta be Gasly or Lando you would think, Ocon a distant third choice.
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I think out of the 2, Lando maybe the better choice Gasly will be considered , agreed Ocon 3rd.
How long will Lewis carry on ? I see another 2 seasons, I have no doubt he will have had massive input with the new car for 2022 and will want to race in it.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I think out of the 2, Lando maybe the better choice Gasly will be considered , agreed Ocon 3rd.
How long will Lewis carry on ? I see another 2 seasons, I have no doubt he will have had massive input with the new car for 2022 and will want to race in it.
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Maybe Alpine? I suppose Alonso won't continue very long and Ocon isn't going through a great year either. But then Gasly currently often finishes ahead of them and is well ahead of them in the standings right now; why would he move over?

That's what I meant with him being comfortable in his current seat: outside Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, and Mercedes, other teams might not seem like much of a step up to him right now.
 
Cheimoon said:
Maybe Alpine? I suppose Alonso won't continue very long and Ocon isn't going through a great year either. But then Gasly currently often finishes ahead of them and is well ahead of them in the standings right now; why would he move over?

That's what I meant with him being comfortable in his current seat: outside Ferrari, McLaren, Red Bull, and Mercedes, other teams might not seem like much of a step up to him right now.
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Given his choices and right now, he is not getting a drive in the top 4 teams, his best bet would be staying put and see if a top 4 team comes for him.
Nobody know why next years cars will be like, he could be in a very good car.
 
I doubt Gasly will find his way back to Red Bull, given that he's experienced first hand how toxic it is if you aren't their first driver.

He's likely gonna stay put at least for next year, although when Lewis retires that might cause a shuffle that frees up a spot at Mercedes or McLaren. And there's always Ferrari, who have the gravitas as a team if not the car (although who knows for next year).
 
hobbers said:
Wondered if Mercedes would consider poaching Gasly when Lewis retires.

Gotta be Gasly or Lando you would think, Ocon a distant third choice.
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Ocon will be above all of them, although I have a feeling they would go for Verstappen.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
There is Max fans and Lewis fan who will bite at the slightest thing, hence why the thread has again descended again.
Sly dig , I say bollocks that my opinion.
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Its bothers me that this forum immediately puts a pro-max or pro-lewis sticker on posters after every remark..

When I mention something that bothers me about Lewis the respons is immediately: yes, but Max does this too and he is way worse so you cannot comment on this.

WTF? Why bring Max in the conversation? Most of the time I agree with the poster responding on what he says about Max, but why tf is that the immediate emotional respons when making a comment about Lewis. When I make a comment about Lewis, that means I make a comment about Lewis. Its not a comment about Lewis compared to the benchmark Max all the time. The same goes the other way around...
 
Igor Drefljak said:
You could be right, I can't remember, but I'd be shocked if Red Bull sacrificed 2...3...4...maybe in 5 points, I'm not sure, to take a single point off Hamilton.
Could be wrong, so correct me if I'm wrong
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Silverstone was one.
At Monza he sacrificed his own position on the grid to give max a tow.
 
I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
 
rpitroda said:
I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
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will be interesting to see who adapts well to the new cars next year - plus some drivers styles will probably just be more suited to the new cars that will have an impact on who goes where I think
 
Ocon is a merc driver though just given to Renault. I think if Toto is around he'll put him as number 2 to Russell re-creating Hamilton and Bottas.

Ferrari will put Schumacher in the Ferrari with Leclerc unless something majorly goes wrong - Ferrari have already said he'll be in the main car. Wonder what they'll do with Gio.

Gasly is French and has already expressed interest in Renault/Alpine.

That said, anything could happen if Max, Lando, Leclerc, or Russell decide to move from their team - they are the future of F1.
 
Coulthard made an interesting comment that losing the title this season maybe better for lewis. A reset for him and refresh his hunger for attempt at title no8 next season and beyond.

Also as a sport, max winning the title would be in it's best interests as it would capture new and potentially younger audiences and bring fresh viewers to F1.

Dont disagree with either point.
 
rpitroda said:
I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
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No one knows what will happen. Audi may buy Williams or Alfa Romeo for 2026. McLaren have been rumoured to rejected Audi buyout offer.

If Audi do join as the VW group representative I expect they will do a Mercedes and become competitive very soon. Interesting that VW group want a f1 team as a works team and not just be a new engine supplier to Red Bell at all.
 
dinostar77 said:
Coulthard made an interesting comment that losing the title this season maybe better for lewis. A reset for him and refresh his hunger for attempt at title no8 next season and beyond.

Also as a sport, max winning the title would be in it's best interests as it would capture new and potentially younger audiences and bring fresh viewers to F1.

Dont disagree with either point.
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Can a loss be a win?
 
rpitroda said:
I think when Hamilton retires, Lando will likely take that seat (unless the new cars next year put McLaren at the top of the field / competitive). But I think a lot also depends on how Russell performs.

I could see someone like Gasly going to McLaren if he continues his performance up, and if Lando does indeed move to Mercedes.

I can’t see Ferrari moving on from either Sainz or especially Le Clerc any time soon. He isn’t going back to Red Bull. And I can’t see him going to Mercedes. So really that leaves McLaren. Ricciardo is also quite vulnerable in that seat too.
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I assume Lando would want to remain at McLaren since they seem to be going in the right direction. Should be interesting to see next year his battle with Ricciardo (now that he seems to be finding his feet). I'm a bit suspect of Lando, he started the season on fire but his form has fell off a cliff since the summer break and now it's hurting McLaren in the constructors. This isn't the first time either. Last year his form dipped as the season progressed. I think it's definitely something to keep an eye on for next season.
 
dinostar77 said:
Coulthard made an interesting comment that losing the title this season maybe better for lewis. A reset for him and refresh his hunger for attempt at title no8 next season and beyond.

Also as a sport, max winning the title would be in it's best interests as it would capture new and potentially younger audiences and bring fresh viewers to F1.

Dont disagree with either point.
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While they are good points it's definitely not good for Lewis to lose this season.

He is 1 WC away from breaking a record and this is as good opportunity to get it as it will come. He is in the best car with a teammate which is clearly not on his level.

You never know which car will be the best next year with all the changes and Russell will definitely give him bigger challenge the Bottas even if Mercedes make the best car again. And if u consider that he is 36 years old he probably will not have many opportunities to get that 8th WC.

The same argument was thrown around about Rosberg's WC win but tbf only thing that it helped Lewis was that Rosberg decided to retire because of it and he got Bottas in the team who was brought in as a second driver and not one who will challenge Lewis.
 
Jerch said:
The same argument was thrown around about Rosberg's WC win but tbf only thing that it helped Lewis was that Rosberg decided to retire because of it and he got Bottas in the team who was brought in as a second driver and not one who will challenge Lewis.
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I think that's harsh on Lewis. Losing to Rosberg, motivated him to take his skills to the next level. Against Vettel, he won through consistency and being perfect 99% of the time. It didn't matter he had non-threatening teammate, as he still had to contend with a 4 time world champion. Pre-2016, Lewis would make plenty of mistakes and was far from the perfect driver. Granted, he has made a few errors this year, but his consistency of scoring points makes him a complete driver and has kept him in the title hunt.

If he does lose, it's not the end of the world. Maybe he'll come back next year a even better driver. Either way, Lewis will always be that guy who can rack up points consistently over the course of a season.
 
Yeah I think if lewis loses the title this season, he'll come back super motivated for next season as will Mercedes. Russell will be a better challenge for lewis and a proper teammate as well on track, making life difficult for other teams. Though Russell may learn the hard way that Rosberg did of the extremes you have to go to as lewis's teammate to beat him over a course of a season. It was too much for Rosberg to go through again.

So far for a very long time, the rule of thumb has been that the best car normally wins a driver the WDC. There is the odd occasion when this isnt true, ala the season when ferrari were illegally oil burning or whatever they did. But vettel couldn't cut out the mistakes. This season the best car over the course of the season across all the tracks is again going to deliver a WDC for its driver.

Hopefully the huge rule changes for next season might change that status quo and bring the drivers talent back into it more. So you dont have to have the best car in the grid. Maybe one of the top 3-4 cars and you are still in with a shout.

Anyway lewis is only 36, hes got plenty of time to get no8 if he wants. He can easily drive into his 40s and be competitive as Alonso is currently. It's all about motivation, desire and of course a car that can help you challenge for the WDC.
 
Just as a serious question, does anybody still buy into Hamilton’s Senna bullshit? Bloke was 9 when Senna died. He wouldn’t be able to remember a pinch of shit about Senna the racer except what others told him. It’s like expecting me to talk about Cantona as a great player and a god… I understand he may have been a great player but it’s incredibly difficult for me to associate my passion of United with him.

He put something up today about senna and the difficulties he faced… senna was son of a wealthy Brazilian family… he has very little obstacles in his way..
 
mariachi-19 said:
Just as a serious question, does anybody still buy into Hamilton’s Senna bullshit? Bloke was 9 when Senna died. He wouldn’t be able to remember a pinch of shit about Senna the racer except what others told him. It’s like expecting me to talk about Cantona as a great player and a god… I understand he may have been a great player but it’s incredibly difficult for me to associate my passion of United with him.

He put something up today about senna and the difficulties he faced… senna was son of a wealthy Brazilian family… he has very little obstacles in his way..
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Nope, standard PR bollocks in my opinion.
 
mariachi-19 said:
Just as a serious question, does anybody still buy into Hamilton’s Senna bullshit? Bloke was 9 when Senna died. He wouldn’t be able to remember a pinch of shit about Senna the racer except what others told him. It’s like expecting me to talk about Cantona as a great player and a god…
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Not impossible, I still remember some particular movies or series episodes that I watched at that age in great details.
 
I remember Senna well and remember his last race very well.
Lewis was 9 at the time, I might well remember watching it and all that followed , but anything else, doubtful.
I will go with PR stunt, its that of stuff that annoys those that dont really like Lewis and I can understand it.
 
I remember watching Mika Hakkinen battling with Schumacher and Sampras winning Wimbledon multiple times and I was born in 89. These were sports that I was no where near as interested in as football too, for example I can remember watching the 96 cup final at 7 years old, you best believe I’d have been effected by someone dying during it.

Obviously that also develops over time. The line between a vivid memory and what you’ve since been told or watched gets blurred. I would absolutely count Cantona as a hero of mine, even though he only played on for United a year or two after that cup final.

But then again, it is Hamilton, so it’s not a surprise that people look on it with a cynical view.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
I remember Senna well and remember his last race very well.
Lewis was 9 at the time, I might well remember watching it and all that followed , but anything else, doubtful.
I will go with PR stunt, its that of stuff that annoys those that dont really like Lewis and I can understand it.
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the lewis hate here is unreal. i remember senna frequently talking about an 8 or 9 year old kid from the uk that he used to talk to often and relay his struggles in the world of f1, alongside his hopes and fears regarding climate change and equality. typical max fan boys. they’re just upset that at age 9 their man was pulling the legs off frogs, bullying disabled kids and telling tramps how much more successful he was than them and that he was only 9.
 
rimaldo said:
the lewis hate here is unreal. i remember senna frequently talking about an 8 or 9 year old kid from the uk that he used to talk to often and relay his struggles in the world of f1, alongside his hopes and fears regarding climate change and equality. typical max fan boys. they’re just upset that at age 9 their man was pulling the legs off frogs, bullying disabled kids and telling tramps how much more successful he was than them and that he was only 9.
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:lol:
 
mariachi-19 said:
Just as a serious question, does anybody still buy into Hamilton’s Senna bullshit? Bloke was 9 when Senna died. He wouldn’t be able to remember a pinch of shit about Senna the racer except what others told him. It’s like expecting me to talk about Cantona as a great player and a god… I understand he may have been a great player but it’s incredibly difficult for me to associate my passion of United with him.

He put something up today about senna and the difficulties he faced… senna was son of a wealthy Brazilian family… he has very little obstacles in his way..
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I'm 34 and Dale Earnhardt and rusty Wallace were my NASCAR heroes. Watched them battle with my dad when I was like 5 years old. It's probably a stunt but it's not impossible to have someone as a hero in your sport at that age
 
mariachi-19 said:
Just as a serious question, does anybody still buy into Hamilton’s Senna bullshit? Bloke was 9 when Senna died. He wouldn’t be able to remember a pinch of shit about Senna the racer except what others told him. It’s like expecting me to talk about Cantona as a great player and a god… I understand he may have been a great player but it’s incredibly difficult for me to associate my passion of United with him.

He put something up today about senna and the difficulties he faced… senna was son of a wealthy Brazilian family… he has very little obstacles in his way..
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What an odd take.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Is it? I remember feck all from what I watched when I was that age.
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I mean of all things to criticise the bloke, and this is the hot take on Hamilton at the moment. Just seems very odd thing to be concerned about.

Engine penalty for Hamilton, 5 place grid drop for Sunday. Should spice up the action.
 
rimaldo said:
the lewis hate here is unreal. i remember senna frequently talking about an 8 or 9 year old kid from the uk that he used to talk to often and relay his struggles in the world of f1, alongside his hopes and fears regarding climate change and equality. typical max fan boys. they’re just upset that at age 9 their man was pulling the legs off frogs, bullying disabled kids and telling tramps how much more successful he was than them and that he was only 9.
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:lol:
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Is it? I remember feck all from what I watched when I was that age.
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9 years old I was running around in adidas predators, demanding to wear the number 7 for our school and club. I was devastated after France 98, when I was…9 years old. I still have the Panini sticker book that I scribbled all across in black marker because I hated Simeone so much. So yeah, if Beckham died I’d probably remember it :lol:

That said, I have no idea how interested he was in Senna at the time.
 
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