I can't see how anyone can get into an honest discussion about anything 'extra' from the guy, when he's not even done his basic job this year.
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I can't see how anyone can get into an honest discussion about anything 'extra' from the guy, when he's not even done his basic job this year.
Congrats Max, you can have the quickest car but you need to do the job like Lewis has previously and fair fecks to him, he’s nailed it this year.
Yeah that's pretty much the size of it, fastest car doesn't matter if you can't drive it, and he's driven it really well for the most part.
Tonedeaf at worst, definitely nothing in that though imo, and probably not meant as a slight on Perez either.
I would've liked the difference to be closer rather than at 20 points especially with Brazil coming up next week which should be a RB track as well, but anything can still happen from here on out.
Looking past the obvious (Max being dominant, Bottas bottling it) Gasly with a number 4 finish is absolutely doing a great job this year. Very nice likeable guy imo, so happy to see how he is bouncing back after being replaced at Red Bull.
Yeah, if he keeps this up next season I can see him replacing Perez
As long as Adrian Newey is at Red Bull, I'd be very surprised to see Gasly get an offer of a seat.
Howcome?
Gasly was critical of the car when he was at Red Bull and wanted them to help make adjustments to his car so it'll better suit his driving.
Horner/Newey saw it as a slight and basically told him to shut up and drive before demoting him back to Torro Rosso shortly after the incident.
To be honest, I don't think Newey has any problems with Gasly, and it's more of Horner being too proud to admit he's wrong about Gasly.
It really wasn't that deep of a comment at all, are you sure it doesn't seem worse in your head because of your hate for Hamilton ? this is what gets me with the people who have some weird hate for him, their reasonings are never that justified, always very weak excuses.
Sergio has never been chasing Hamilton in any races this season so his comment was fair, the red bulls were a lot faster than merc in yesterdays race.
Spot on this one.
He says: don't like as a person.
Your interpretation: you hate him.
Wtf man? There are miles and miles of emotions between those two takes...
Ahhh thanks for sharing.
I think you're probably right about Horner too. Seems to me he had made up his mind on Gasly and mismanaged him. Piling on extra pressure when he should've supported him.
You're both letting your dislike for Hamilton misread the quote massively.
What he is saying is not a slight on Perez at all.
What he means is usually another car cannot follow so closely in the dirty air. Once you get within 2/3 seconds it starts becoming very tough. The fact Perez managed to stay several laps behind Hamilton within 1-1.5 seconds showed how much faster the red bull car is.
Nobody can usually ever catch up with a Mercedes + stay in the dirty air for that amount of time.
Of course though you'll twist it however you like.
Could be, perhaps you are right. I will never claim to be a Formula 1 expert, so it could be that your explanation goes a long way and should be interpreted as such. The situation was discusses quite lengthy yesterday on Dutch tv (which obviously favor Red Bull) and the main interpretation of the quote there was that Hamilton was sneering at Perez. But they could also have been wrong.
Furthermore I dont really dislike Hamilton. I think he is obviously an excellent driver, a true champions, on of the greats in in the history of the sports. Off court he is (almost always, Silverstone this year still stings for me) respectful towards all his colleagues. Off the court I think he is an example role model in the ways he presents himself towards the media, as a sportsman and from social perspective.
The thing that I find unsymphatic about him is that when he is struggling and has the wind in his face during the race, he has a habit of sneering and looking for excuses as an immediate response. (which he more often than not doesnt repeat or downplays after the race immediately)
Yeah really bizarre. His comments clearly weren't made in bad taste but give his 'haters' (I hate that word) a chance and they'll jump on him.
Well if that is what you find annoys you about Hamilton surely the same has to be said about Max, the biggest complainer in F1 along with Karen Horner? When it doesn't go right for Max he calls people idiot's, he drives extremely dangerously, he's a very bad sportsman and that has followed him throughout his career so far, I won't tell you your comment is incorrect about Hamilton as it's your opinion and that's fair but if you think Max isn't at the minimum the same way your comment looks to be suspiciously swayed in the favour of Max because he's dutch, let's all just call a spade a spade regardless of nationalities
I dislike Max massively as a person. Nowhere have I ever suggested anything that suggest I like Max as a person..
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I read it back, I literally havent said anything about Max in this discussion. I solely mentioned things I dislike about Lewis.
Why did you bring Max in the equation here? Your interpreation of this is - because Im Dutch? - is that I have some Max vs Lewis agenda? That is I say something I dislike about Lewis that I don't dislike something similar in Max?
I favor Max to win the Championship, definitely and Im biased towards him from a driving perspective probably. However in this case we were only talking about personality traits and nowhere have I every said I think Max is a likeable guy or is more/less likeable than Lewis...
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wtf? I absolutely adore Hamilton. I found it a distasteful comment and it rubbed me the wrong way. It was a shitty comment and it wasnt necessary in my opinion. But because i critique his comment im a Hamilton hater? feck off with that
I think this is the best explanation.
It is as far from reality as all other responses to my original post which tried to explain why Hamilton didn't meant anything bad.
First, Perez as soon as he got to close had to back out, recharge the batteries and try again in the last lap so it's not really true.
And also if that would be a reason he said that he should stated that and I'm sure he would stated that cuz it would explain even more how Red Bull were much faster which he tried to do.
For me and for most people I know it was a dig at Perez but not in a way he wanted to insult Perez but more in a way he wanted to express an example from which we can see Red Bull was faster.
I'm also positive that if he would think a second more before saying that he wouldn't say it but still, he should take a second more to think about an answer. Especially when Perez is at home race celebration the result.
wowMy apologies, I keep forgetting that I'm posting in Hamilton fan club forum. My bad
They actually left the door wide open for Max to go past on the outside.
and once again this thread takes a nose dive and over a nothing comment 
As good a move it was that Verstappen made it was comical the defense Bottas put up. He may as well had waved him through . Hamilton must have been absolutely seething what Bottas did
I said before the race started that Max would take the lead at turn 1.
What I did not expect was they way he did it, it was like a feck you from Bottas.
Reflecting back on the season, it feels like Red Bull have better maximised their performance vs results compared to Mercedes - both teams have made mistakes. It's impressive how Max is so consistent and gets the job done when needed - all things we've seen from Schumacher, Alonso, and Hamilton himself.
It will go down to the last race but the next race is key for momentum and strategy in the races that follow.
It will go down to the last race but the next race is key for momentum and strategy in the races that follow.
I have rewatched the start a couple times and I cant for the life of me understand why Bottas didnt have his car more to the left. Its actually comical. Bottas must be a Hami Hater
Only Bottas can tell us why he did it. I would love to hear his reasons.I have rewatched the start a couple times and I cant for the life of me understand why Bottas didnt have his car more to the left. Its actually comical. Bottas must be a Hami Hater
Yes indeed.
I have been increasingly impressed with how well and mature Max has driven this year. And am struggling to believe that Mercedes are going to provide Hamilton with a quick enough car in the remaining races.
And even if they do, the Red Bull and Max in particular have the momentum and consistency to be able to hold onto his lead.
Probably tried to block Hamilton but failed and then it was too late to block Max
Bottas series of events at the start was so crazy you would wonder if he thought it was Hamilton behind him and not Max. He literally did everything he could to make Max pass him
Giving you the benefit of the doubt, now that Hamilton has cleared up his comments on social media, stating that he was talking about how difficult it is to follow due to the downforce, and in no way a dig against Checo, I assume you're willing to accept that you interpreted it wrong?
After watching it a few time, thats the impression I got, he was more interested in stopping Lewis
Well obviously he would said that. The fact that he needed to explain it is enough evidence that I didn't interpreted it wrong.
Lewis gets plenty of stick on here, the Hamilton Fan Club comment is laughable.
There is a big hammerhead club here though, with some you can't even give your opinion without being ripped apart by 3 or 4 of them and I say hammerhead because they will always bite the bait that some individuals will leave for them.
My opinion on this it was a sly little dig at Perez nothing more nothing less, others will take it a different way.
Why would he bother having a sly dig at Perez?
There is Max fans and Lewis fan who will bite at the slightest thing, hence why the thread has again descended again.
Sly dig , I say bollocks that my opinion.