Hydrogen, now thats an interesting concept.Probably a good move overall - that said I do wonder how long the 2026 engines will remain relevant because by 2030 perhaps hydrogen etc will be more cutting edge? but I guess teams need a long enough vision to enable them to plan properly and at the moment a petrol hybrid is the safest option.
Will be interesting to see how VW group approach things if they are to enter the sport though - will they just be an engine supplier or will they look to have a team (or two) and if so under what badge (audi, porsche or both)
If they are to enter as a team then how they do that will be interesting - do they buy out an established team or a back marker and keep the existing branding till 2026?... Williams would seem the obvious choice if they went down the route of buying an existing team - personally I would love to see more cars on the grid so introducing a couple of new teams would be great but I guess the expertise to design an F1 car from scratch really is niche and there probably isn't lots of people who would leave the sport for a few years to prepare a new team
Hydrogen, now thats an interesting concept.
Did a bit o digging around and found this.
Why are hydrogen engines a bad idea?
The biggest reason why hydrogen-combustion engines are no good? They create nitrogen oxide, which isn't good for people or the environment. Even though carbon isn't part of the hydrogen combustion process.
Personally I see VW being engine suppliers only at first.
So , they need some AdBlue. That would be funHydrogen, now thats an interesting concept.
Did a bit o digging around and found this.
Why are hydrogen engines a bad idea?
The biggest reason why hydrogen-combustion engines are no good? They create nitrogen oxide, which isn't good for people or the environment. Even though carbon isn't part of the hydrogen combustion process.
Personally I see VW being engine suppliers only at first.
Chain bear explains all.
Ross Brawn predicts lewis will retire with 120 grand prix victories to his name.
Personally I think thats ambitious (an average of 10 wins per season for the next two seasons), but we wont know until we see how competitive next years Mercedes is.
Can it?good watch, so Hydrogen is possible but not for a good while, battery power looks like the we F1 will go, but will it.
Why are they dropping the mgu-h for next year ? It served a really nice dual role acting as a waste gate apart from the energy recovery / utilisation.
It's only reports, not confirmed yet. But the reasoning behind the drop is that it's to expensive to develop which prevents newer engine suppliers from entering the sport.Why are they dropping the mgu-h for next year ? It served a really nice dual role acting as a waste gate apart from the energy recovery / utilisation.
Yep it was the main root of Honda problems for 3 years. Also has no use with commercial car industry.It's only reports, not confirmed yet. But the reasoning behind the drop is that it's to expensive to develop which prevents newer engine suppliers from entering the sport.
Well the benefit is that you can use that tech in your production cars later, like Merc have done.The rumours of Porsche/VW getting into making engines is a bit weird. Even without the MGU-H these things cost a tonne to develop, you can't turn a profit on them so why would they do it? I could understand possibly if they were entering as a team, but just with engines?
Red Bull and Alpha Tauri will use the Honda/Red Bull Engine and Alpine, Ferrari and Mercedes make their own.
That leaves Haas, Williams, McLaren, Alfa and Aston where they would have to displace an incumbent.
That is a side benefit of doing it yes, but its a very financially inefficient way if that is your only aim. Let's say it costs £200m to design and build a new F1 engine (that's pretty conservative). You get the advertising of entering the sport and probably you make a loss on each engine because the only way to displace someone is probably to undercut them. You could just take that £200m and just spend it purely on the R&D.Well the benefit is that you can use that tech in your production cars later, like Merc have done.
That is of course true. But are the other supplier teams actually turning a profit on the engines when the whole r&d effort is taken into account? Its mostly about prestige I guess.That is a side benefit of doing it yes, but its a very financially inefficient way if that is your only aim. Let's say it costs £200m to design and build a new F1 engine (that's pretty conservative). You get the advertising of entering the sport and probably you make a loss on each engine because the only way to displace someone is probably to undercut them. You could just take that £200m and just spend it purely on the R&D.
This is hard to judge because there's very few 'vanilla' deals. Merc have a deal with Williams that includes Russell, Alfa have a deal with Ferrari to place someone in their second seat. I doubt Honda are making anything meaningful with the RB teams as they're pulling out.That is of course true. But are the other supplier teams actually turning a profit on the engines when the whole r&d effort is taken into account? Its mostly about prestige I guess.
Merc have won 7 constructor titles in a row as a full constructor, its not really a fair comparison to someone just building an engine. In some ways I actually see more value in VW branding it than Porsche, to make the money back from F1 you probably need to be a mass producer of cars, which Porsche aren't really. Certainly innovations come out of F1, the question is for a pure engine manufacturer is it value for the money? So far the answer is an emphatic no because there's only 4 manufacturers and 1 chose to pull out.The brand value has been enormous. Mercedes alone have gone from advertising value of $60million in 2012 to $4.5billion in 2020.
Its chances the image of Mercedes completely and opened them to a younger audience.
Obviously if VW or subsidiary came in it wouldn't be as a full works team. But the benefits to the road car programme are there. The most powerful 4 cylinder engine in the world (420 bhp) in the AMG a45s wouldnt have happened were it not for the f1 programme.
Its all but guaranteed the Mercs will be at or near the front of the grid with engine regulations staying pretty much the same until 2025 and the Mercs having the best engine set up currently
10 place grid drop for Hamilton this weekend. Changing ICE not entire PU.
makes sense , this is a good track to pass on.10 place grid drop for Hamilton this weekend. Changing ICE not entire PU.
That is going to be his problem, the merc with a new engine is clearly the fastest car in the track, but like you say dirty air is its kryptonite, hates it .Hamilton can win from 10 back, but can’t underestimate how bad the Merc is in dirty air, Bottas didn’t go forward at all in Sochi but then he is pants.
I reckon if he’s 1 or 2 in quali they will stick with +10 but if for whatever reason he’s 4-5 they may as well stick all new components in it and start from the back.
The Merc looks the fastest car by a country mile. I reckon he could win it.That is going to be his problem, the merc with a new engine is clearly the fastest car in the track, but like you say dirty air is its kryptonite, hates it .
Good call for the extra components, starts a back of the grid, maybe even just do what Max did, free choice of tyres to start the race.
OK daft question I take it the new engine is in his time are fast in FP
My thoughts also, his times in FP1 are pretty quick.I doubt they would run it in FP1&2 and mileage to it? I reckon probably in for FP3 but I could be wrong.
| Driver | Team | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 1) Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 1:24.178 |
| 2) Max Verstappen | Red Bull | +0.425 |
| 3) Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | +0.476 |
| 4) Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | +0.664 |
| 5) Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | +0.682 |
| 6) Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +0.731 |
| 7) Lando Norris | McLaren | +1.169 |
| 8) Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | +1.204 |
| 9) Fernando Alonso | Alpine | +1.205 |
| 10) Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +1.281 |
| 11) George Russell | Williams | +1.507 |
| 12) Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | +1.572 |
| 13) Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | +1.632 |
| 14) Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | +1.635 |
| 15) Nicholas Latifi | Williams | +1.685 |
| 16) Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | +1.755 |
| 17) Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +2.183 |
| 18) Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | +2.246 |
| 19) Mick Schumacher | Haas | +2.458 |
| 20) Nikita Mazepin | Haas | +2.841 |
| Driver | Team | Time |
|---|---|---|
| 1) Lewis Hamilton | Mercedes | 1:23.804 |
| 2) Charles Leclerc | Ferrari | +0.166 |
| 3) Valtteri Bottas | Mercedes | +0.410 |
| 4) Sergio Perez | Red Bull | +0.569 |
| 5) Max Verstappen | Red Bull | +0.635 |
| 6) Lando Norris | McLaren | +0.721 |
| 7) Fernando Alonso | Alpine | +0.856 |
| 8) Esteban Ocon | Alpine | +0.868 |
| 9) Pierre Gasly | AlphaTauri | +0.952 |
| 10) Antonio Giovinazzi | Alfa Romeo | +0.992 |
| 11) Yuki Tsunoda | AlphaTauri | +1.078 |
| 12) Carlos Sainz | Ferrari | +1.099 |
| 13) Lance Stroll | Aston Martin | +1.216 |
| 14) Daniel Ricciardo | McLaren | +1.256 |
| 15) Kimi Raikkonen | Alfa Romeo | +1.339 |
| 16) Sebastian Vettel | Aston Martin | +1.425 |
| 17) Nicholas Latifi | Williams | +1.503 |
| 18) George Russell | Williams | +1.554 |
| 19) Mick Schumacher | Haas | +1.676 |
| 20) Nikita Mazepin | Haas | +1.894 |
[@dmotorsport] Michael Andretti buys Sauber and Colton Herta will drive for Alfa Romeo in 2022
Has this been confirmed anywhere else? Huge if true!
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Yes, 21 years old. 6 race wins and 7 pole positions I think. If I was him, I'd stay in indycar till I won the drivers title. Or not both with F1 at all. He can have a stellar career in USA.I don't follow Indycar, is this kid good?
