F1 2021 Season

Shame for Sebastian after a solid drive today.
That daft DQ and the bizarre situation with Hamilton alone on the grid shows you that for all the money spent on tech and strategy, the strangest human mistakes can still decide races.
 
Pscholes18 said:
I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
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When the inevitable Hillsborough and Munich chants come will you be readying yourself to taunt rival F1 teams about drivers that died in accidents?
 
pauldyson1uk said:
The number of posters on other site that dont know the basic rules and penalties in F1 is shocking.
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What site was that, and i think they should bring in a 10 place grid penalty, it doesn’t make sense to me that you can pick up a 5 place grid penalty for taking out 1 car or multiple cars like bottas did today.

Also you can see why Horner is banging on about the financial impact of crashes this year he’s preparing for next years $145 million spending cap, as team who’s car has been wrote off or badly damaged will spend millions repairing it while while the one who caused it might have minimal damage.

Even Toto was talking about the cap and it’s implications on crashes.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...-makes-big-accidents-quite-a-concern/6362929/

Also hopefully some good can come from Hamilton’s long Covid that it shows the impact it has on an athlete in top shape, what would it do to the every day man and might get more sceptics to get vaxed
 
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christy87 said:
What site was that, and i think they should bring in a 10 place grid penalty, it doesn’t make sense to me that you can pick up a 5 place grid penalty for taking out 1 car or multiple cars like bottas did today.

Also you can see why Horner is banging on about the financial impact of crashes this year he’s preparing for next years $145 million spending cap, as team who’s car has been wrote off or badly damaged will spend millions repairing it while while the one who caused it might have minimal damage.

Even Toto was talking about the cap and it’s implications on crashes.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/...-makes-big-accidents-quite-a-concern/6362929/
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The cost cap is already in place right? I think if you suffer damage and it isn't your fault the repairs should be excluded from the cost cap and if you need a new engine it shouldn't be counted as an engine swap. If not you get punished twice if someone does a Bottas and torpedoes your car and that doesn't seem fair to me.
 
Go to watch a rally stage and stand on the side and boo and you will be looked at like a nob. I think the same applies to f1.

Want to go and boo and act like a child goto the football. Each to their own, I just think it’s childish as feck.
 
Pscholes18 said:
But, it is a sport. Nothing wrong with booing.
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I can see why people boo situations (including when they're announcing line-ups), but booing someone during an interview seems pretty lame to me - even if you don't get a lot of other opportunities in racing to boo someone. (It's not like they'll hear it during the race!) But I'm anyway not into all the partisan stuff, I know that's rare, and I'm not expecting to change anyone's mind on that sort of thing.
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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It's an old rule that comes from teams that used to run more explosive fuel, get extra power and then use it all up so it couldn't be traced.

Obviously that would be a very unfair advantage, so if you were caught you'd be expelled.

Unfortunately it doesn't translate quite so well to the modern day rulings, but cars often don't run out of fuel that low.

Seb was obviously chasing hard to try and pass Ocon, and then towards the end he couldn't go into fuel saving mode as Ham/Alonso were catching at a rate of knots.

It's a very unfortunate situation, but those are the rules.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
Go to watch a rally stage and stand on the side and boo and you will be looked at like a nob. I think the same applies to f1.

Want to go and boo and act like a child goto the football. Each to their own, I just think it’s childish as feck.
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Key difference is respect and risk. F1 drivers (and rally drivers) have historically put their lives on the line to entertain. In decades gone by a driver would be killed almost every race.

Footballers less so. :lol:

Totally different culture.
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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Reason being they need to test the fuel to ensure cheating is not going on.

It's the equivalent of missing a drugs test.

Ask Rio about that.
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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Too little fuel in the car, potental cheating.
Bottas misjudging the wet slippery track is not potential cheating.
2 totally different situations.
 
Fluctuation0161 said:
Key difference is respect and risk. F1 drivers (and rally drivers) have historically put their lives on the line to entertain. In decades gone by a driver would be killed almost every race.

Footballers less so. :lol:

Totally different culture.
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Yes, I agree with that

edit: did mean to quote @Pscholes18 post in my previous post but just realised I didn’t
 
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
 
Tiber said:
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
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That didn’t happen
 
hobbers said:
You really do just have to laugh at the FIA.

Vettel has 700mL too little fuel in his car and gets a disqualification.

Bottas plays skittles with half the pack and gets a 5 place grid penalty.

Comical.
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There's no consistency at all, same thing when Giovinazzi got a 10sec stop&go for speeding in the pitlane while Raikkonen was only given a 10sec penalty for crashing into Mazepin in the pits and ending his race.

It is the same rules for everyone so it's not unfair in that sense, but there's definitely a lot of room for improvement in my eyes.
 
Tiber said:
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
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Is this supposed to be ironic ?
 
hobbers said:
Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
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What I wonder is why with such an ultra hi tech vehicle there is not a system for warning that the current consumption will lead to rule violation.
 
After reading this thread the last few weeks I honestly don’t know whether the people laughing at my post saying that didn’t happen agree with me or think that it did happen! :nervous: :lol:
 
Jippy said:
Shame for Sebastian after a solid drive today.
That daft DQ and the bizarre situation with Hamilton alone on the grid shows you that for all the money spent on tech and strategy the strangest human mistakes can still decide races.
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Gutting for seb. Didnt deserve that.
Tiber said:
Wasn't able to see the race today. Shame to hear a Merc took out Max out for the second week in a row.

If you can't beat him on the track, I suppose knocking him off the track every week is a bold but admittedly effective response.
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A McLaren took out max.
 
hobbers said:
Yes, of course, but I guarantee you they can test the fuel just fine with 300mL instead of a litre. It's a very archaic rule.
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100kg starts the race, they know how much fuel that is meant to be using, it finishes with less fuel then it breaks the rules.
OK it maybe be archaic but its what they have to work with.
When was the last time there was a DQ because of it, I cant remember.
 
Aren’t most of you lot supposed to be British? Why do you dislike Lewis Hamilton so much lol?
 
dinostar77 said:
Gutting for seb. Didnt deserve that.

A McLaren took out max.
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A merc took max out the mclaren was just the proxy :lol:, bottas is brutal at his worst, but brilliant at his best today he fecked it up
ArjenIsM3 said:
The cost cap is already in place right? I think if you suffer damage and it isn't your fault the repairs should be excluded from the cost cap and if you need a new engine it shouldn't be counted as an engine swap. If not you get punished twice if someone does a Bottas and torpedoes your car and that doesn't seem fair to me.
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I actually didn’t realise it was in place, no wonder Horner is losing his marbles over it.
 
dinostar77 said:
Gutting for seb. Didnt deserve that.
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Based on how he appeared in Drive To Survive, I wonder how much Vettel will care. He did the entire race and finished 2nd on skill. Will he care that it's not in the books? I doubt he needs any prestige or money that comes with it, and it's not like the point will win him or the team anything this year.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
100kg starts the race, they know how much fuel that is meant to be using, it finishes with less fuel then it breaks the rules.
OK it maybe be archaic but its what they have to work with.
When was the last time there was a DQ because of it, I cant remember.
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Something similar happened to Jarno Trulli. Not sure though.
 
Zlatan 7 said:
After reading this thread the last few weeks I honestly don’t know whether the people laughing at my post saying that didn’t happen agree with me or think that it did happen! :nervous: :lol:
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:lol: yeah in retrospect the laughing emoji is ambiguous given the thread trajectory, but for the record I agree with you! I was also kind of laughing at the juvenile post you were responding to.
 
NK86 said:
Something similar happened to Jarno Trulli. Not sure though.
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Just reading through forums it looks like something similar happened to Hamilton in Spain 2012 when he couldn’t make it back to the pits after qualifying and was moved to the back of the grid, but that rule for qualifying and I think practice was brought in because of Hamilton in 2010 at the Canadian Gp he stopped after qualifying or practice but there was no rule in place so was good.
 
christy87 said:
Just reading through forums it looks like something similar happened to Hamilton in Spain 2012 when he couldn’t make it back to the pits after qualifying and was moved to the back of the grid, but that rule for qualifying and I think practice was brought in because of Hamilton in 2010 at the Canadian Gp he stopped after qualifying or practice but there was no rule in place so was good.
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Refuelling was stopped in 2009 , the minimum fuel rule was brought in 2010 I think.
Lewis was DQ from the Spanish race in 2012 had to start from the back of the grid after getting Pole.
Hamilton was instructed to stop his car en route to the pit lane because of a lack of fuel to provide a sample of because the refuelling mechanic mistakenly turned a switch to drain Hamilton's car of fuel rather than add some in. The FIA technical delegate reported Hamilton to the stewards for the irregularity. McLaren technical director Sam Michael argued to the stewards force majeure caused Hamilton to stop on the track but they rejected the argument and deemed the team to have broken the technical regulations on refuelling.
Finished 8th in the race.
 
pauldyson1uk said:
Refuelling was stopped in 2009 , the minimum fuel rule was brought in 2010 I think.
Lewis was DQ from the Spanish race in 2012 had to start from the back of the grid after getting Pole.
Hamilton was instructed to stop his car en route to the pit lane because of a lack of fuel to provide a sample of because the refuelling mechanic mistakenly turned a switch to drain Hamilton's car of fuel rather than add some in. The FIA technical delegate reported Hamilton to the stewards for the irregularity. McLaren technical director Sam Michael argued to the stewards force majeure caused Hamilton to stop on the track but they rejected the argument and deemed the team to have broken the technical regulations on refuelling.
Finished 8th in the race.
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I think there had to be a certain level of fuel since 95 or 96, when they wanted the fuel to be unleaded and less shit in it, so more like normal petrol, but yeah they could always take there samples from the rig back then and 10 was when it became no refills, it looks like they changed that rule for the race or never enacted it for races of having to get it back to the pits
 
christy87 said:
A merc took max out the mclaren was just the proxy :lol:, bottas is brutal at his worst, but brilliant at his best today he fecked it up

I actually didn’t realise it was in place, no wonder Horner is losing his marbles over it.
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Yeah. Just Max's car was 1,5 million at Silverstone. Yesterday Max's bodywork was completely fecked and Perez's car is probably even more damaged considering he said his engine was damaged in the crash which would mean a grid penalty in his next race too. Bottas has caused several millions worth of damage.
 
I think they definitely should refine how the cap rules work.

I think if you need to replace an engine based on something that was not your fault it doesn’t make sense to penalise you by penalty too down the road.

I understand though that that creates a grey area and so it’s tricky. But the engine penalty on Perez if his engine was damaged in that mess further down the road when it needs replacing does seem like a double whammy. I’m less fussed about cost to fix car damage, I think teams should be budgeting that as part of their expected cost. But the engine penalty in particular for me is the main issue.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
Yeah. Just Max's car was 1,5 million at Silverstone. Yesterday Max's bodywork was completely fecked and Perez's car is probably even more damaged considering he said his engine was damaged in the crash which would mean a grid penalty in his next race too. Bottas has caused several millions worth of damage.
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I think the potential penalty to Perez in future is the one I take issue with most. That does seem like a double hit.

As for the damage, whilst I have sympathy with the view I can also understand why regardless of cause you don’t adjust cap. Firstly because it opens up a grey area on cause and responsibility. But most importantly, I feel teams should budget for these things. Just as all of budget or set aside a portion of our money for unexpected costs, it’s something these teams should be doing too. I’ve sympathy given the cost is incurred at no fault of their own, but it’s racing - it happens. And I don’t hear anyone here talking about the costs the other teams also faced, or any other team outside of RB going on about it - it wasn’t just Max’s and Sergio’s cars damaged today for example.
 
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