F1 2021 Season

ArjenIsM3 said:
No worries, I can see where you're coming from as I have been hard on Hamilton at times for sure (usually when emotions run high and I'll admit the bad luck Max has had this season hasn't helped :lol:) but I don't hate him at all. I'm not sure I like him either (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't) but he's a fantastic driver no doubt about it. Apart from the Lewis/Merc brain fart today with the intermediates which was probably 50/50 between him and the team, he had a good race. I just think Ocon was faultless really and Alonso did brilliantly to keep Lewis behind him as long as he did so that's why I have Lewis as #3 DOTD-wise today.
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I have normally found your posts pretty balanced, just like the match day thread, posts get posted in the heat, its understandable.
I am a Lewis fan, but I dont dislike Max, today was harsh on him and did feel for him.
All drivers need good luck, has Lewis had more than his fair share, maybe yes, where has Max has been pretty unlucky this season in a few races.
Ocon today did excellent, Lewis for me was DOTD, dead last to 3rd is a formidable drive.
 
Interesting comments in Hammys interview after racing. Like many of us noticed he looked shattered after the race. Sounds like since he had covid struggling for stamina.
 
I'm no Vettel fan but I hope nothing come of this fuel issue I wouldnt want to see him lose his 2nd place over something like that.
 
Hamilton looked like he was about to collapse on the podium, interesting to hear he's been struggling all year and may have long Covid.

Really hope Vettel doesn't lose his second place
 
JTW95 said:
I'm no Vettel fan but I hope nothing come of this fuel issue I wouldnt want to see him lose his 2nd place over something like that.
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That would be shite to have that taken away on a technicality, yeah. The Aston crew looked almost as made up with their second place finish as the Alpine lot did with their win.
 
ArjenIsM3 said:
No worries, I can see where you're coming from as I have been hard on Hamilton at times for sure (usually when emotions run high and I'll admit the bad luck Max has had this season hasn't helped :lol:) but I don't hate him at all. I'm not sure I like him either (sometimes I do, sometimes I don't) but he's a fantastic driver no doubt about it. Apart from the Lewis/Merc brain fart today with the intermediates which was probably 50/50 between him and the team, he had a good race. I just think Ocon was faultless really and Alonso did brilliantly to keep Lewis behind him as long as he did so that's why I have Lewis as #3 DOTD-wise today.
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There are certainly arguments for Ocon, Alonso and Hamilton for DOTD today. I think ocon probably edges it just because it’s his first win and he did well to keep Vettel behind. Same with Alonso, keeping Hamilton behind him prevented him winning the race IMO. I think the track helps both of their races though whereas it hinders what Hamilton was trying to achieve, so as @pauldyson1uk says, from dead last to third, on that track, that’s some drive.

Would’ve been really interesting to see if Max fell to where he did but didn’t sustain the damage.. max attempting to go through the field on that track would’ve been great to see
 
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My DOTD was alonso. Keeping lewis behind him for 8 laps with a masterclass in defensive driving. Alonso also just said in an interview that lewis should have passed him sooner such was the pace difference of the tyres but that lewis was making the same small mistakes on the final two corners of the lap. Once he figured that out he got past alonso and used the same lines in the final 2 corners to get past Sainz.

Would be amazing if somehow Alpine could give Alonso a car that could challenge for a WDC. Alonso v Verstappen v Hamilton would be fireworks.

Was overall disappointed in Vettel. I would expect a four times WC in this situation to find a way to put Ocon under more pressure and make him make a mistake. Maybe the AM is an inferior car to the Alpine, i dont know but i expected more from him.
 
@dinostar77

not sure that’s right really, alonso just did a great job but then locked up in turn 1 and ruined his momentum.

his tyres were fresher than sainz, it was a much easier over take. Alonso pitted at a similar time hence how he was catching sainz quickly too.

I don’t remember seeing any positional errors by hamilton, Alonso was just shutting the door very aggressively.
 
Adam-Utd said:
@dinostar77

not sure that’s right really, alonso just did a great job but then locked up in turn 1 and ruined his momentum.

his tyres were fresher than sainz, it was a much easier over take. Alonso pitted at a similar time hence how he was catching sainz quickly too.

I don’t remember seeing any positional errors by hamilton, Alonso was just shutting the door very aggressively.
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I didnt think Hamilton made mistakes in the final two corners, but its what alonso has been quoted as saying. Yes alonso made a mistake locking up, but i think alonso was trying to say that when hamilton finally got the last two corners hooked up in a way that got him closer to alonso, alonso had to defend more and therefore locked up his front tyre in doing so. Max did something similar to Danny Ric a few laps earlier.

Heres the alonso quote..

“Honestly, I think that Lewis was making small mistakes in the last two corners because he had so much pace. You cannot take eight laps to pass with that pace advantage. In fact, after changing a few lines, he could pass Carlos immediately one lap after. It was not difficult to pass, in my opinion, but he took four or five laps to figure it out, but that’s my opinion.”

https://wtf1.com/post/alonso-says-i...ep-lewis-behind-for-both-ocon-and-verstappen/
 
dinostar77 said:
I didnt think Hamilton made mistakes in the final two corners, but its what alonso has been quoted as saying. Yes alonso made a mistake locking up, but i think alonso was trying to say that when hamilton finally got the last two corners hooked up in a way that got him closer to alonso, alonso had to defend more and therefore locked up his front tyre in doing so. Max did something similar to Danny Ric a few laps earlier.

Heres the alonso quote..

“Honestly, I think that Lewis was making small mistakes in the last two corners because he had so much pace. You cannot take eight laps to pass with that pace advantage. In fact, after changing a few lines, he could pass Carlos immediately one lap after. It was not difficult to pass, in my opinion, but he took four or five laps to figure it out, but that’s my opinion.”

https://wtf1.com/post/alonso-says-i...ep-lewis-behind-for-both-ocon-and-verstappen/
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I think Alonso is being pretty modest but Rosberg was saying it in commentary too in fairness. Although Hamilton would have passed first attempt if Kimi didn’t appear from the pit lane! Ultimately that’s what cost Hamilton the win.
 
Pscholes18 said:
Jesus fecking Christ, Bottas is an fecking massive donkey. What an cnut. Unlucky again for Max. Considering everything that happened today it's still all to play for.

You Lewis supporters bitching because he was getting booed by Max fans, hilarious. He's a rival, of course they are going to boo him. It's a fecking sport. You cheer you fav, hate your rival.

Break will be good for RB. Take some time off and regroup. Spa will be a great race.
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Probably more to do with the fact that Hamilton and his (English) fans were called classless and arrogant for celebrating at Silverstone. I think it’s considered pretty classless to boo someone all week when he’s getting interviewed. Especially after a really hard, fun race.
 
That’s super crappy if true. But the rules are the rules, however much it’s gutting and stupid. Super sad for him he has been a class act out of the car this year
 
Dan_F said:
Probably more to do with the fact that Hamilton and his (English) fans were called classless and arrogant for celebrating at Silverstone. I think it’s considered pretty classless to boo someone all week when he’s getting interviewed. Especially after a really hard, fun race.
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I also think the booing is lame, but just to add that, for Verstappen fans, this wasn't a hard, fun race. It was a disappointing race in which their guy was crashed out of serious contention right at the start because of a mistake by a driver from their main competitor's team.
 
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pauldyson1uk said:
yeah I read that also, both wife and I have had it.
She suffers now, since December, me not so much.
The summer break has come at the right time I think for F1 in general, let things settle dowm.
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Pot luck by the sounds of it. As to who gets long term symptons.

Defo good time for a break!
 
pauldyson1uk said:
gutted for him , but rules are rules.
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Very stupid many of those rules. Bottas got what 5 grid pen? Joke of a sport thanks to rules.. Is there any other sport that has changed their rules as often as F1 has?
 
Hungarian GP Result Revised
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PositionDriverNumberTeamGridPitsFastest LapRace TimePTS
1Esteban Ocon31Alpine831:21.4212:04:43.199225
2Lewis Hamilton44Mercedes141:18.7152.736 behind18
3Carlos Sainz Jnr55Ferrari1531:21.42315.018 behind15
4Fernando Alonso14Alpine931:20.35915.651 behind12
5Pierre Gasly10AlphaTauri54
fastest overall lap 1:18.394		1:03.614 behind10
6Yuki Tsunoda22AlphaTauri1631:22.4501:15.803 behind8
7Nicholas Latifi6Williams1831:22.8311:17.910 behind6
8George Russell63Williams1731:22.1121:19.094 behind4
9Max Verstappen33Red Bull351:20.9451:20.244 behind2
10Kimi Raikkonen7Alfa Romeo1341:21.5181 lap behind1
11Daniel Ricciardo3McLaren1131:22.8021 lap behind0
12Mick Schumacher47Haas2031:22.7111 lap behind0
14Antonio Giovinazzi99Alfa Romeo1451:22.7361 lap behind0
DQSebastian Vettel5Aston Martin1031:21.4591.859 behind0
not classifiedNikita Mazepin9Haas192not available-did not finish completed 3 lapS0
not classifiedLando Norris4McLaren61not available-did not finish completed 2 laps0
not classifiedValtteri Bottas77Mercedes20not available-did not finish completed 0 laps0
not classifiedSergio Perez11Red Bull40not available-did not finish completed 0 lapS0
not classifiedCharles Leclerc16Ferrari70not available-did not finish completed 0 laps0
not classifiedLance Stroll18Aston Martin120not available-did not finish completed 0 lapS0
 
Zarlak said:
So lucky.
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I do wonder whether I notice the lucky breaks Hamilton gets more than other drivers because he is so good.

For example, at Imola, the red flag situation certainly did benefit Hamilton. Almost as soon as the race was red flagged, I knew he was going to get a podium at least.

With other drivers that simply are not as good (a very high bar I know), they cannot make as much of those fortunate occurrences as Hamilton inevitably does. Does that make any sense?
 
So for the championship standings Hamilton gets +3 points whereas Max gets +1 increasing the gap between them by another 2 points.
 
Frosty said:
I do wonder whether I notice the lucky breaks Hamilton gets more than other drivers because he is so good.

For example, at Imola, the red flag situation certainly did benefit Hamilton. Almost as soon as the race was red flagged, I knew he was going to get a podium at least.

With other drivers that simply are not as good (a very high bar I know), they cannot make as much of those fortunate occurrences as Hamilton inevitably does. Does that make any sense?
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Makes sense to the Hammy haters :lol:
 
Thinking about the restart, another interesting thing is that not a single team was willing to gamble and put on slicks under red flag. Essentially all the teams had a theoretical chance of being in Ocon's position, as anyone who had taken that gamble would have started on the grid and could have opened a 5+ second lead to start.
 
dinostar77 said:
I didnt think Hamilton made mistakes in the final two corners, but its what alonso has been quoted as saying. Yes alonso made a mistake locking up, but i think alonso was trying to say that when hamilton finally got the last two corners hooked up in a way that got him closer to alonso, alonso had to defend more and therefore locked up his front tyre in doing so. Max did something similar to Danny Ric a few laps earlier.

Heres the alonso quote..

“Honestly, I think that Lewis was making small mistakes in the last two corners because he had so much pace. You cannot take eight laps to pass with that pace advantage. In fact, after changing a few lines, he could pass Carlos immediately one lap after. It was not difficult to pass, in my opinion, but he took four or five laps to figure it out, but that’s my opinion.”

https://wtf1.com/post/alonso-says-i...ep-lewis-behind-for-both-ocon-and-verstappen/
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Yeah i'm not having that really.

Alonso's tyres weren't old, and it clearly wasn't easy to over take as not many over takes actually happened in the race.

Hamilton couldn't get close enough with the dirty air in the last 2 corners, and was never close enough to attack properly into turn 1. When he did then Alonso defended perfectly, pushing him wide knowing Hamilton had more risk.

He had to keep pressuring him and wait for the mistake which eventually came.

He didn't overtake Sainz because he figured something out differently, Sainz's tyres were shot as he'd done 1 less pitstop.
 
Drivers and Constructors after Race 11 Revised
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DriverTeamWinsPoints
1Lewis HamiltonMercedes4195
2Max VerstappenRed Bull5187
3Lando NorrisMcLaren0113
4Valtteri BottasMercedes0108
5Sergio PerezRed Bull1104
6Carlos Sainz Jr.Ferrari083
7Charles LeclercFerrari080
8Daniel RicciardoMcLaren050
9Pierre GaslyAlphaTauri049
10Esteban OconAlpine139
11Fernando AlonsoAlpine038
12Sebastian VettelAston Martin030
13Yuki TsunodaAlphaTauri018
14Lance StrollAston Martin018
15Nicholas LatifiWilliams06
16George RussellWilliams04
17Kimi RaikkonenAlfa Romeo02
18Antonio GiovinazziAlfa Romeo01
19Mick SchumacherHaas00
20Nikita MazepinHaas00



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TeamWinsPoints
1Mercedes4303
2Red Bull6291
3Ferrari0163
4McLaren0163
5Alpine177
6AlphaTauri067
7Aston Martin048
8Williams010
9Alfa Romeo03
10Haas00
 
Cheimoon said:
I also thank the booing is lame, but just to add that, for Verstappen fans, this wasn't a hard, fun race. It was a disappointing race in which their guy was crashed out of serious contention right at the start because of a mistake by a driver from their main competitor's team.
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I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
 
Adam-Utd said:
Yeah i'm not having that really.

Alonso's tyres weren't old, and it clearly wasn't easy to over take as not many over takes actually happened in the race.

Hamilton couldn't get close enough with the dirty air in the last 2 corners, and was never close enough to attack properly into turn 1. When he did then Alonso defended perfectly, pushing him wide knowing Hamilton had more risk.

He had to keep pressuring him and wait for the mistake which eventually came.

He didn't overtake Sainz because he figured something out differently, Sainz's tyres were shot as he'd done 1 less pitstop.
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Also not forgetting Hammy's got a touch of long covid which can effect his mind set? thinking.
 
Frosty said:
I do wonder whether I notice the lucky breaks Hamilton gets more than other drivers because he is so good.

For example, at Imola, the red flag situation certainly did benefit Hamilton. Almost as soon as the race was red flagged, I knew he was going to get a podium at least.

With other drivers that simply are not as good (a very high bar I know), they cannot make as much of those fortunate occurrences as Hamilton inevitably does. Does that make any sense?
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I think people notice them because the camera is on him for massively longer than anyone else. If the camera sat on Mick Schumacher for 90% of the race you'd have more of an opinion about him than you would Hamilton.
 
Pscholes18 said:
I'll remember that when Pool come to OT.
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I told you before why some people may have been touchy about the booing. We were led to believe last week that Max’s fans were some kind of shining light on morales. I honestly don’t give a shit about the booing, but if you saw some of the posts about Silverstone, you’d probably understand why I pointed it out today.
 
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