Toto dropping emails out
F1 2021 Season
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Although Hamilton gets his nose ahead on the straight, into a no-lift corner that's not the same as into a corner with a braking zone. Hamilton can't take the corner at anywhere near the right speed from where he ends up, which is why he starts to back out and the contact ends up being his front to Verstappen's rear.
That's why I don't think you can apply "guy inside owns the corner" logic to this one or any other incidents into flat-out corners, because having the right line is far more important than just being inside. I'd give Lewis a penalty because I don't regard that he's "ahead" given these aspects, and he's punted another driver off the track.
That's why I don't think you can apply "guy inside owns the corner" logic to this one or any other incidents into flat-out corners, because having the right line is far more important than just being inside. I'd give Lewis a penalty because I don't regard that he's "ahead" given these aspects, and he's punted another driver off the track.
Im not saying it was on purpose, even if its understeer is Hamiltons fault that they touched. Max corrected to give Lewis space.
Yeah I agree. Hamilton could have conceded the corner but that’s conceding the race and he can’t afford that, he’s been very controlled all season but he knows it’s time to get punchy.
Horner playing the politics, I fecking hate those that don’t race telling us how it can and can’t be done. Copse corner is a racing corner, overtakes are allowed and yes it’s a high risk corner but that’s racing.
He was ahead, you can see it the replays not sure what you've seen. You're defending Hamilton more than Toto is!
I don’t think there’s a penalty Lewis can get that would realistically prevent him from winning the race so it’s all kinda moot anyway.
Damon Hill also thinks it should be a penalty.
Even during a red flag!"Toto I don't look at emails during the race so I cam concentrate on the race"
Those radio clips between the teams and FIA are really interesting
He actually said he sees it as a racing incident but thinks they will give a penalty.
The state of the this place. Why does it have to be NO fault of Hamilton, or Hamilton was reckless?
I think it is somewhere between a Hamilton penalty (not malicious though) and a racing incident. I really think it’s a racing incident.
- Max pinched him as far as he could. He did give him a split turn-out but still was aiming to be as tight as he could. But that’s racing
- Hamilton was overly ambitious there. Probably not the best place to go for an overtake. But he’s trying to win. That’s racing
Both were trying to not give each other an inch, I don’t think either was unfair at all. I think (as demonstrated through all the previous corners) they were trying to be fair. In the end they hit. Both were aggressive. Hamilton definitely moreso. And he ultimately caused the crash. For me that puts him at some fault, but I still think I fall on the racing incident side.
I think it is somewhere between a Hamilton penalty (not malicious though) and a racing incident. I really think it’s a racing incident.
- Max pinched him as far as he could. He did give him a split turn-out but still was aiming to be as tight as he could. But that’s racing
- Hamilton was overly ambitious there. Probably not the best place to go for an overtake. But he’s trying to win. That’s racing
Both were trying to not give each other an inch, I don’t think either was unfair at all. I think (as demonstrated through all the previous corners) they were trying to be fair. In the end they hit. Both were aggressive. Hamilton definitely moreso. And he ultimately caused the crash. For me that puts him at some fault, but I still think I fall on the racing incident side.
Hamilton spoilt fanboys crying. Why I’m not surprised!
That's not what he said.
Imagine if it was the other way round all the English Hamilton fans would be up in arms calling for a penalty
look it doesn’t matter if his nose is the tiniest bit ahead as lewis is over taking him. he’s got the slipstream, he’s got the momentum and coming up alongside him. Unfortunately they both run out of room and 1 of them has to back out, but neither did.
Both could have done something to avoid it, but this is racing and if you play chicken you’ll end up losing.
It’s really unfortunate it came to this but at the end of the day that’s what happens when you’re trying to overtake at 200mph
Thats gotta be a penalty for me.
On that straight, Hamilton never got passed Max. He came close, but didn't...
In the corner, Max has the lead so can take the line. Hamilton either tucks in or drops back.
As one of the replay shows, the position of Hamilton's car going into that corner, he was facing away from the apex rather than going into it.
Hamilton had a cars width to take that corner if he tucked in, but didn't want to
On that straight, Hamilton never got passed Max. He came close, but didn't...
In the corner, Max has the lead so can take the line. Hamilton either tucks in or drops back.
As one of the replay shows, the position of Hamilton's car going into that corner, he was facing away from the apex rather than going into it.
Hamilton had a cars width to take that corner if he tucked in, but didn't want to
that isn’t the rules. being half an inch ahead means nothing.
And no one else would.
Yeah his logic was a bit bizarre though. "Both of them could have backed off, neither did, so penalty Hamilton".
If Hamilton gets a penalty, it has to be because it was on him, not because they both refused to back out.
Not going to pretend to know the rules on who’s corner that should have been but it’s great to see two world class drivers giving it there all. Both could have pulled out and given way, neither did, surely this has all happened before and will again.
my view, Lewis couldn’t afford to back out and let Max stay in front, Max could have backed out and picked up whatever points he would have finished with. Wasn’t any need for him to risk a crash, Lewis probably thinks there was a need.
my view, Lewis couldn’t afford to back out and let Max stay in front, Max could have backed out and picked up whatever points he would have finished with. Wasn’t any need for him to risk a crash, Lewis probably thinks there was a need.
Again you’re wrong but will leave it there. Max clearly corrected to give Lewis more space on the inside.
C4 said Lewis was fighting understeer, and couldn't turn in.
Absolutely.
This is great for the championship. I hope both have there elbows out from now on and we see an amazing end to the championship.
It was Lewis' fault and probably deserves a penalty, but I hope he doesn't get one just to see the reaction in here
Yup, English fans and people are always like Angels! Everyone against them remember.
51G hit 
Whatever the penalty decision, I imagine that for Max this is a bit of a gloves off moment. I imagine next time they're wheel-to-wheel he'll find reason to be extra aggressive. We might be seeing more incidents this year.
Same here. I want to see the best two drivers in the world go at it for the championship.
No he actually said this..
Im going to come down a little bit on the racing incident side of things but I cant see how they can't give Lewis a penalty because hes caused the accident. He(Lewis) himself could have backed out and it was an ambitious move and the consequences were quite serious.
Also said Lewis had level of aggression and attack.
Dunno about you buddy but im british. I will support any british driver, lewis, russell, lando. Even albion last season.
Horner doesn’t want them to race anymore. Pack it up lads.
This Crofty is an absolutely fecking helmet. I'd rather have Sam Matterface
Correct and DC but they are ex racing drivers so interesting to hear as they usually give good insights. Damon also thinks there will be a penalty.
Irrespective of the nuances, the problem is this is something that has impacted the race and the championship so a lot of pressure.
It doesn’t matter, it will be a time penalty and Hamilton will still win.
Sky just can’t stop licking Lewis’s arse. Its like in front of the Jury trying to prove a guilty innocent!
This really should be penalty and a ban for Lewis, it was irresponsible and dangerous from him.
This really should be penalty and a ban for Lewis, it was irresponsible and dangerous from him.
Max was ahead and on the racing line. Pretty simple.
You can't take that corner full speed from where Lewis was on the track without running off, so the onus was on him to back off not Max.
Probably the case
i’m not wrong read the rules
watch the onboard again and they’re almost wheel to wheel. that’s what happens when you get a draft situation into a dangerous corner.
it’s a racing incident.
will lewis get a penalty? maybe, but he’s certainly not 100% at fault
Lewis has finally joined senna (taking prost off), schmacher (taking damon off) in a championship challenge. No doubt max will take off a future challenger after lewis has retired.
I can’t work out if people are serious here saying Hamilton should be banned
I don’t think he should get a penalty but I wouldn’t be surprised to see one.
It’s ridiculous that they’ve not been able to make a decision before the restart though
I don’t think he should get a penalty but I wouldn’t be surprised to see one.
It’s ridiculous that they’ve not been able to make a decision before the restart though