I don't really feel today has done much for their cause. On the whole, people (that I come across) seem to have just taken the line that it was always expected that Belgium would be hit in some way and that actually this was a rather feeble effort. A few people freaking out but for the most part I doubt it's had the affect desired.
Explosions reported at Brussels airport.
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Don't understand the anti-tolerance stuff, what are we being tolerant about, where have we practised tolerance? It's not like peace-talks have been ongoing with extremists, the west isn't tolerating ISIS and the like, they're bombing them, deporting clerics etc. Not saying diplomacy is possible with ISIS or even necessarily desirable mind.
Blaming Islam as a whole is missing the point too, these kind of nutters, from fecked up backgrounds, have been screwed up to the point they would always find a reason (be it nationalism, religion, race, whatever) to hate and try and harm people. Remember the way people used to talk about the Irish over here during the period the IRA was active, fecking disgusting. That's changed a lot since*, it's a different situation for sure but it's something that gives me some hope.
(*ok not everywhere, Belfast etc. can be as rough as)
Blaming Islam as a whole is missing the point too, these kind of nutters, from fecked up backgrounds, have been screwed up to the point they would always find a reason (be it nationalism, religion, race, whatever) to hate and try and harm people. Remember the way people used to talk about the Irish over here during the period the IRA was active, fecking disgusting. That's changed a lot since*, it's a different situation for sure but it's something that gives me some hope.
(*ok not everywhere, Belfast etc. can be as rough as)
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That really is a very small number, for a supposedly terrifying month of carnage.
Iraq, Syria and Afghanistan... not like the West has bombed those places to shit recently, is it?
By the way -- define Jihadist.* Then you can allot attacks which meet the requisite tenets of the term. However, you must first look at the antecedent information, contextual background, etc.
*It's actually relatively interesting -- the report from King's College, that is.
@Fearless I congratulate you on your dedication to the truth by not only keeping a running score but also taking the time to type that all out, because you obviously didn't .Rossi that from anywhere.
Are you going to stand shoulder to shoulder with your fellow brethren when your anticipated final showdown occurs?
Are you going to stand shoulder to shoulder with your fellow brethren when your anticipated final showdown occurs?
No - I'm going to keep the lights on for the Germans.
The way you've lumped everyone together, shouldn't the above quote say "Jihadist attacks killed more than 5,000 other jihadists in just one month, an investigation by the BBC World Service and King's College London has found"
man on the TV says French blaming the Belgians for the problem of not being diligent enough
All day I have listened to absolute bullshit about this on Fox news, CNN, SKY and even BBC. I've heard war mongering wankers like Ted Cruz and Wanker Trump talk insane and uninformed shite about ISIS and the USA and the rest of the world and their reaction. I've heard Obama be slated by nearly everyone for being in Cuba and not getting the first flight home to sort out this problem. Countless people just talking inane shite, then Cenk comes on The Young Turks and has just had a 40 minute rant about it and hit every nail on the head and restored my faith in common sense, rational thinking and the way forward to deal with this problem on a global scale. It's like a breath of fresh air. I've been watching TYT for over 10 years now, and it's days like today that make me realise why.
Agree completely. The Caf is incredibly middle-class left wing. I say this as someone who grew up in a communist middle-class household and it takes one to know one.
This is the new left, who don't preoccupy itself with working class issues, but instead middle class ones. Abandoned and isolated, the original working class is turning towards authoritarian solutions as the "left" is preoccupied with the colour of their skin and their guilt in terms of what colonialists from other parts of their society did hundreds of years ago. And they are now making a sharp turn right.
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It's interesting that the report by King's College uses the BBC as its primary source, whilst the BBC uses the report from King's College as its primary source.
Give me the link to Cenk's piece bro. Cheers
Well post the damn video if it's that good
https://www.tytnetwork.com/live/
Unfortunately missed the start of the show where he goes off on one at Trump, Cruz, Fox, CNN and everyone else. Basically saying what many here have been saying that bombing isn't working and irrational hatred of Muslims isn't the way either.
Unfortunately missed the start of the show where he goes off on one at Trump, Cruz, Fox, CNN and everyone else. Basically saying what many here have been saying that bombing isn't working and irrational hatred of Muslims isn't the way either.
Yes. That could certainly work.
I was listening to Hannity and some UKIP bloke said there are over 80 Sharia law courts in the UK. What's that all about then?
It's tiny. Random household items are more of a threat to our safety.
It sounded like bollocks. How can he get away with claiming it?
Quite.
Only the other day my toothbrush put on a suicide belt.
Cheers brother.
They have been saying it for a couple of years now. And have been called out on it too, but still continue to spout the same bollocks.
Well, it's the same as the Jewish courts which operate in the UK. They settle community issues, but have no legal authority. You just don't hear a lot about the Beth Din courts.
It's a Daily Mail favourite, and never needs to be backed up, or proved.
This is probably the safest time to go. Security will be at its tightest at the moment.
You're welcome mate, I will be watching all night as they will be covering the elections too, they are live every night and cover all debates, elections and normal news outside of election stuff.
Well if you mean actual lobbyists and persons who profit from all that, then i am inclined to agree, but politicians - that's another thing. For example Obama in one of the recent interviews basically said that Libya is a mess and he is not sure how it all got that way, that he supposed that European leaders would have this thing covered and they did not. It shows that people in politics that should balance the interests of industrial groups and stuff like that with the ones of common people they elected to represent actually don't have much clue as well.
No you weren't. You were born a human baby free of religious definition, affinity or labels, same as everyone else.
Someone told you that you were a Muslim.
Not sure which thread this goes in, here or the election thread?
As if there wasn't enough reasons to not support Trump, Piers Morgan gives you one more. FML!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-time-started-listening-seriously-Trump.html
As if there wasn't enough reasons to not support Trump, Piers Morgan gives you one more. FML!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-time-started-listening-seriously-Trump.html
Carnivorous weasel.
Everytime there's one of these attacks the media make sure to give it the Hollywood treatment, it's sickening. There's always posters on here who seem to get off on the emotions of such an event as well and use it to confirm their prejudices.
There are, and if I'm not mistaken there is a report being done on it at the moment, for the government. They deal with minor things such as divorces apparently and one of the complaints has been that women in sharia divorce courts get the raw end of the deal. That's about as much as I am aware of other than a few years ago (7 or 8) I met a female solicitor (Asian) who was taking an extra course on sharia law because she said that was going to be the "big thing" now in England.
I tend to agree with you, but I'd add that it's not everytime there's an attack, they are quite selective with the coverage.
They deal with religious matters -- they have no authority over the actual courts.
Yep. Completely non-binding just like the Bettei Din.
I'm pretty sure I've heard that about the divorces. (1-2 months ago in fact).
Yeah, they can make suggestions within the communities that they preside over, but when it comes to actual law, they have zero credibility or power. Whether or not they are a bad social influence (particularly against women) is a different matter. But they don't possess any legal power whatsoever.
I read somewhere that in the Islamic calendar we're right now in the 14th century. It's not surprise that the ME resembles medieval Europe.
On the plus side most of the rest of the world has moved (to varying degrees) from this religious bullshit. But, Muslims happen to be concentrated in a region where the great powers prefer despots -- their chosen despots-- holding power, so economic/political problems will always be an easy recruitment tool for religious nutters.
On the plus side most of the rest of the world has moved (to varying degrees) from this religious bullshit. But, Muslims happen to be concentrated in a region where the great powers prefer despots -- their chosen despots-- holding power, so economic/political problems will always be an easy recruitment tool for religious nutters.
These attackers were probably French and Belgium, just like the Paris ones.