I don't see why being pro-Islam is a goal of ours. It's mysoginistic and brutal and belongs in the past.
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I don't see why being pro-Islam is a goal of ours. It's mysoginistic and brutal and belongs in the past.
Not what I was saying, I'm saying the terrorism is only an agent of further discord and is a challenge to the west that bigger threats are enjoying. Russia and it's 'little green men' for example.
Same reason fundamentalist Christianity is all but wiped out in Europe, we're allowed to expose and mock religious and ideological beliefs for being ridiculous.
The net effect whether we like it or not is greater monitoring by big brother. Just have to live with i.
You do understand that foreign policy is merely a result of Western liberalism? If you're referring to Western liberalism in the economic sense, that is. The two are very connected -- not mutually exclusive.
That's just racism, white flight being an example
Ah, thanks, I see what he meant now. Aggressive and expansionist in a sensible and logical sort of way.
Well in that case I agree. I think (and hope) religion being the norm in large parts of the world will eventually die out. It's dangerously divisive.
But it adds to the segregation that you speak of. If keeping themselves separate from the majority population precludes them to a fundamentalist outlook then how can we stop the forced segregation that occurs from as you say "white flight"?
Interpretation of their Religious beliefs.
If you don't understand it, try and understand it. Not to try and understand what makes people to think they way do is a guarantee we will have more of these occurrences.
To do a Trump is the extremism we need to veer away from.
To do a Trump is the extremism we need to veer away from.
Are you saying that the religion isn't homogeneous?
Until the "they" become the majority. Which is what happened in many cities. Economics can play a role. Bigger house more "stuff". The difference is the guns and bombs.
We don't have to be pro-Islam, but we can still live with each other as human beings.
It's the few who destroys it for many in Islam.
So "they" should just wait until all the natives leave and then integration will happen full swing?
For there to be understanding there needs to be free dialogue. Currently the dialogue is not free because the religion in question is largely exempt from the kind of scrutiny to which all other religions/ideologies are exposed. This cultural tendency to limit speech where Islam and Islamic terrorism is concerned has infected everything from the mainstream media to school classrooms and even university campuses.
The term 'Islamophobia' has overseen one of the most prominent anti-intellectual movements of our time.
I don't think that's wise in the case of Islam. It just doesn't fit with western society.
Agreed, we don't have to apologise for being opposed to any ideology that promotes hatred. The below sums up how I feel about islam or any other religion for that matter.
It splits about who is/was the legitimate religious leaders. Or at least that is what I think.
no , that's your opinion. you've changed the conversation.
but to your convoluted point. ancient cultures would kill the natives (sometimes saving the women and children) and then take over or envelope said territory into their own.
Come on rednev, half the internet is full of porn and the other half is full of scrutiny of the said religion, I honestly don't see how being accused of islamophobia has stopped the scrutiny of Islam, there are plenty of websites ala breitbart and Co which is carrying the torch of this scrutiny.
Na bro, I was just replying to the highlighted part of your post, sorry if you think I'm off topic but I thought I was on base with you.
This is just empirically and demonstrably not true. Islam and Islamic cultural practices have been arguably the most widely debated things in sociopolitical discourse recently. We've had discussions on the BBC just for example on the burqa, sharia law, apostates etc. Islam has been under the microscope unlike any other religion. And no other religion in the world faces the kind of rising hostility, widespread hate and distrust that Islam does.
A study had a look at negative headlines regarding Islam in the New York Times for over 20 years and found Islam was mentioned more negatively than topics such as cancer and cocaine.
We live in a world of the Daily Mail and the Sun too. And a candidate for president of the most powerful country in the world has advocated for war crimes and openly said he wants to ban all Muslims from entering the country. And he's getting votes there. Cultural criticism and criticism of Islam by prominent writers, journalists, think thanks regarding Islam are published in a wide variety of mainstream news publications. Boggles my mind how people still say Islam doesn't receive enough condemnation.
There is a dangerous level of hyperbole regarding normal everyday Muslims, the vast majority who aren't committing atrocities and this is translating as hate crimes which are on the rise. That's a fact.
Many muslims in western societys are just taking care of themselves, getting education like the next man.
Of course Islam has a problem with adapting to western culture, but i think it's a matter of time before that happens.
The war mongering Imams who preaches in mosques around europe are the real problem. They brainwash fragile youngsters to despise everything about westerners way of living. These youngsters are often children from 1. generation parents who never really been Integrated into society, and therefore have a hard time preparing their kid for how to act properly in their current country.
Yes, they have a hard time. But so does many gay people around the West.
Agreed, we don't have to apologise for being opposed to any ideology that promotes hatred. The below sums up how I feel about islam or any other religion for that matter.
This sums up my fear of Islam thread better than I could ever have done myself. It's the minority in paragraphs 3 & 4 that scare me. Anyone that falls into #5 is a cool cat.
Islam isn't a monolith, I am a secular progressive Shia Muslim. And am different to the next Muslim and the one after that. There isn't one "Islam", a wide range of interpretations. A wide range of personalities, ideologies, political and theological beliefs among its diverse practitioners. Astonishing that I am having to spell this out to an actual adult human being.
Incidentally holding an entire group of innocent people responsible for the actions of a few is precisely what terrorists do. And in the blanket hate of Muslims, the vast majority of whom have absolutely nothing to do with extremists, or extremism is equal parts ignorant and immoral.
I also think that a part of the segregation comes from fear but also the feeling of comfort among "friends". it becomes a problem when those who distance themselves from society want to change the way a nation governs itself. ie changing laws to fit their beliefs.
Absolutely and all the Muslims I am friends with are definitely #5, and I like to think most are.
No. Timing and context never matter.
Although at least the bodies would have had time to cool.
I may be a tad emotional but this has really upset me. My thoughts are with the family and friends caught up in this tragedy. We fly out to Florida in a couple of weeks and I'm scared of something like this happening now.
The bad treatment of women and gay people in the west is hardly comparable to the bad treatment of women and gay people in, say, the Middle East though, is it?
Tbf us non-Muslims largely hate those platforms too. Problem is, even when people arise that might be able to remove the criticism is Islam away from far-right propaganda, like Salman Rushdie or even Maajid Nawaz, they face a barrage of fire and an existential threat. It's hard to take the cries of Islamophobia seriously when critics of Islam literally have to fear for their life.
In the west the majority of Muslims probably are, if you look at Muslims from all countries though they're the minority.
Probably not. But i know for a fact the Word "gay" is still used as an insult, and gay people being abused and harassed are not uncommon.
You see more Muslim women in the middle East speaking up now. It takes time to change those old ideologies, in this case women being lesser knowing than men, it did in the West too.
I never said that islamophobia had to be taken seriously. All I was eluding to was the fact that criticism of Islam DOES exist and cries of islamophobia hasn't stopped that criticism.
I also have nothing against breitbart, I was just pointing out that there is criticism of the religion and that criticism hasn't been shut down by cries of islamophobia or "cultural insensitivity.
the out cry will most certainly die if bombs keep going off.
Sorry bro, you've lost me, which outcry will die out?
against islamophobia. the west will turn to right wing nutters. it's started already.
Firstly I'm not entirely convinced this is just all about religion. Us invading /bombing and killing their people does not help of course. I do believe that misinterpreting certain teachings in Islam does cause the problems. Also I have been told that the books that were added to the Koran may have contributed to issues. the Hadith? Muslim posters may have better insight. Forgive me if I am wrong about this.
The only way that Islam can adapt is by diluting it's message. If they do that then they are admitting that the word of god is a bunch of bollocks.