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Music Eurovision 2024
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And I still haven't even seen the performance
Arrived late in England yesterday. Went to M&S for my sandwich meal deal to take back to my hotel room. Ate my food, turned on the TV, saw the Irish performance - which I enjoyed, even if no one else did. Fell asleep.
Woke up a winner!
Not that anyone cares obviously.
My mind now turns to my trip this afternoon to the Women's FA Cup final. Would arriving late and falling asleep after five minutes, help us win?
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The right wingers in Ireland, who normally wouldn't be seen dead watching Eurovision, were voting in force last night.
Same in The Netherlands. "I hate this woke stuff, but I'm voting for Israel 1000000 times hurdur".
But they are spread all over Europe and they all voted for their country massively. Other people even don't care for this competition or if they watch, they don't vote. It is just about fun.
For Israelis this was "national pride thing" and even their politicians invited all of them to vote. Population of 20k in some country will destroy in televoting especially because one person can vote 20 times. One family can bring you 100 votes.
It was "us vs them" moment. "Them" don't care for competition at all and "us" look at it as patriotic duty to be involved.
This. It is a complete waste of time and money. It used to be funny to laugh at the political voting and it was always treated as unserious (see UK 90%+ of the time). But if it is indeed serious now, and maybe always was, then there is no way public funds should be used for this. They could use the millions to further fund some high quality journalism into political issues instead of the superficial dross they churn out.
Not really at all. I've yet to meet a single person person in Ireland who supports what's happening in Israel. I don't hang out with any right wing gobshites.
And a massive amount of people refuse to watch the Eurovision at all ever because they think it's shite, which to be fair it is. And those that do watch don't all vote.
Are you genuinely saying the minority, which I guarantee Eurovision voters are in all those countries, speak for the majority? Would you apply the same principle to every country and organisation, Hamas/Palestine for example? This blanket statement is a disgrace to be quite honest.
Europe has major issues with racism and its history no doubt. But you’re reading way too much into a singing competition that most people don’t care about, but which for this year the small cadre of unconditional Israel supporters were highly motivated to engage in (where they’d never be arsed before), and conversely where the rest of the vote was either boycotted or split between 24 other countries.
Problem with the technology
It is much easier to put cheers over the ambient track with a tightly controlled soundscape - such as a musical performance, than try to separate it out from a single source such as Osterdahl's microphone. It would have picked up the boos together with his voice, and then there is very little they can do to "cancel out" the booing live without also removing his voice.
The irony is there would have been no where near as much controversy if they just banned the genocidal cnuts like they did the Russians, and the show would have gone on with everyone enjoying themselves, devoid of any real drama. Sure you would have had the usual Israeli apologists cry foul murder and toothless accusations of anti-semitism, but they would have best been ignored.
Instead we got an absolute shitshow.
Instead we got an absolute shitshow.
I don’t really watch the performances. Only turn it on when the voting begins.
Were Switzerland deserved winners or was it rigged?
Were Switzerland deserved winners or was it rigged?
Deserved.
Artist didn’t deserve from musical point of view. But I’m happy Nemo won because he/she look like a wonderful human. And in these world we need more of those people.
The voting is really the only engaging bit. Glad someone else sees it a little like me.
I wouldn’t say undeserved but were it not for the mass pro-Israeli protest voting, Croatia would likely have won as they’d have picked up even more televote points than they did.
I didn’t watch it but I looked at a few of the favourites on YouTube and Croatia was by far the best, not sure how the jury can possibly give it to Switzerland which seemed fairly standard Eurovision affair in comparison?
I don't understand logic behind jury votes. Most of them gave 12s to Nemo but the rest of points were completely random. How come they can be on the same page regarding him but so different regarding others?
And here I was thinking Eurovision was just a crap music based contest!
I’m just amused at how some people seem to be taking it seriously.
It’s the fecking Eurovision ffs!
It’s the fecking Eurovision ffs!
Thanks for nothing Norway
I don't think it's a minority though.
It's good that you believe that.
I guess we'll see if I was roght when the viewing and voting figures are out, but many of these countries are open Israel supporters without a doubt.
It's basically the arts and entertainment champions league final. The same people who watch this will be wondering why people get so excited for 90 minutes of football.
Clearly I'm not going to be helpful in these politically charged discussions but I'd like to say I enjoyed quite a few songs this year! Of the ones I saw, the Irish, the Finnish, the Croatians seemed good. The Israeli entry was okay. The UK entry deserved far better than nil points but fair enough, 18th overall didn't seem too shabby. And finally the German singer was excellent. Musically therefore it was above par, but I fear the amount of effort the UK put in this year to get 18th means we might not bother so much next time which would be a shame.
Based on what?
About 10% of the UK population watched the singing competition. A far smaller % will have actually voted in it. I imagine the figures will be similar (probably smaller) for other European nations.
Even if somehow, every viewer was watching solely to support Israel, how does that make a majority?
It gets ~150-200 million viewers worldwide, most of whom are obviously in Europe, so it's not exactly insignificant. But yes, extrapolating majority support for Israel from winning the viewer vote among 25 countries is clearly faulty logic. Israel supporters had one option, while Palestine supporters had 24. Literally the only thing it shows is how good hardcore Israel supporters in various countries were at organizing.
Then prove it. You're the one coming here with the claim.
Here check the stadium,
You are making wrong conclusions from a stupid voting system, for example there was a pro Israeli lady yesterday said she voted 60 times from three different countries.
Most who watched the thing did not even vote, and those who voted did it once, ecxept for the pro Israeli people, it was a duty. I think accusing a whole continent of racism is bad.
For example, Israel got 12 points from Ireland,
in reality the Irish feeling about the conflict is
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It is so clear, isn't it? But some people just can't understand it.
You merely need a plurality of the votes to get 12 points from a country, and given that there are 25 options to vote for, a plurality could be as little as 5%. Now, that's a bit unlikely, because that would require a fairly even vote spread, but I wouldn't be surprised if their vote share in a lot of countries from which they got 12 points was less than 20%.
There was a concerted effort by certain groups (conservative, christian, anti-woke) to vote for Israel, and the people who did were probably more likely than the average viewer to use all of their 20 votes. An average viewer might also vote for a few different countries while watching, while the Israel-supporters shot off 20 votes for Israel as soon as the voting opened.
Here check the stadium,
You are making wrong conclusions from a stupid voting system, for example there was a pro Israeli lady yesterday said she voted 60 times from three different countries.
Most who watched the thing did not even vote, and those who voted did it once, ecxept for the pro Israeli people, it was a duty. I think accusing a whole continent of racism is bad.
For example, Israel got 12 points from Ireland,
in reality the Irish feeling about the conflict is
Gotta love all the people in her replies showing what a shambles it is.
I'll try when we get total voting numbers. I am not really convinced what I am saying it's true in every country, and I will be happy if proven otherwise.
Weird flex but okay
People are crazy. It's sad that circumventing georestrictions in voting for a country in Eurovision is somehow seen as completely normal behaviour by some people.
We traditionally watch this in our household, but we booked tickets for Mitski ages ago. Didn't twig that the gig and Eurovision were on the same night until a few months ago!
The gig was amazing. We're now home, have just had a takeaway and are now watching this from the beginning! Really enjoyed the first three songs in the running order. Sweden's track is actually pretty good. I really liked Ukraine's song in the semis and it sounded pretty great in the final.
We've tried to avoid too much Eurovision news, but ultimately that was spoiled when we woke up as our phone gave us notifications of the winning act. Bluddy internet! Not too worry, we're still enjoying watching it.
The gig was amazing. We're now home, have just had a takeaway and are now watching this from the beginning! Really enjoyed the first three songs in the running order. Sweden's track is actually pretty good. I really liked Ukraine's song in the semis and it sounded pretty great in the final.
We've tried to avoid too much Eurovision news, but ultimately that was spoiled when we woke up as our phone gave us notifications of the winning act. Bluddy internet! Not too worry, we're still enjoying watching it.
‘Arts’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
The exhibitionist entertainment champions league final is a more accurate description. I watched Britain’s entry earlier and it looked like a gay orgy in a public toilet, with the four male dancers at one point resembling four dogs trying to vomit. George Michael’s Outside it wasn’t.
I also learned that Ireland’s oh so queer and non-binary ‘rebel’ Bambie Thug is actually heterosexual and in a long term relationship with the male dancer she performed with. Sinead O’Connor ripping up a picture of the pope on live TV in the early 90s was rebellious. This was just cosplaying…with official endorsement from the political and media mainstream. It’s all pretty pathetic imo.
The UK entry is up now. It actually sounds better now than it did when it was shown in the semis. Sounded quite flat and subdued there. Sounded a bit more interesting this time around. I'm still not big on it, but it's better than it was before.
The Greece entry was trash. Sounded like 5 songs in one, all of them shite.
The Greece entry was trash. Sounded like 5 songs in one, all of them shite.
‘Arts’ is doing a lot of heavy lifting there.
The exhibitionist entertainment champions league final is a more accurate description. I watched Britain’s entry earlier and it looked like a gay orgy in a public toilet, with the four male dancers at one point resembling four dogs trying to vomit. George Michael’s Outside it wasn’t.
I also learned that Ireland’s oh so queer and non-binary ‘rebel’ Bambie Thug is actually heterosexual and in a long term relationship with the male dancer she performed with. Sinead O’Connor ripping up a picture of the pope on live TV in the early 90s was rebellious. This was just cosplaying…with official endorsement from the political and media mainstream. It’s all pretty pathetic imo.
You seem confused.
Bambie Thug is non-binary. Have they claimed to not to be attracted to men? I've not heard them define their sexuality, to be honest. In any case, being bi or pan, for example, wouldn't preclude them from being in a relationship with a man.