European Super League
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Nnnnnnnnnnyeeeeaaaah of courseThis is probably the right time for Celtic and Rangers to join the Prem
Picture of George Best anyone?
This is probably the right time for Celtic and Rangers to join the Prem
This
Is it going to be like a game of poker between us and the Premier league?
theyve talked about kicking us out but What does a Premier league look like without us, man city, chelsea, arsenal, spurs and liverpool? and likewise for the spanish league.
is this going to be a case of the premier league has to kind of accept it as these 6 clubs are too big to fail if together? I cannot contemplate those 6 clubs being kicked out and replaced with championship clubs. Interested to see how fifa uefa and league try to block it.
personally not in favour as theres plenty of provision with the champions league and europa league. I almost think that theres demand for a third tier european tournament, almost like an intertoto cup that happens during season.
cant see this super league doing anything other than making the premier league a 6 team mini league, and its much better when you see ten man leeds giving a game to city and mid table villa spank 7 past the champs. Its that competition thats made it so good.
theyve talked about kicking us out but What does a Premier league look like without us, man city, chelsea, arsenal, spurs and liverpool? and likewise for the spanish league.
is this going to be a case of the premier league has to kind of accept it as these 6 clubs are too big to fail if together? I cannot contemplate those 6 clubs being kicked out and replaced with championship clubs. Interested to see how fifa uefa and league try to block it.
personally not in favour as theres plenty of provision with the champions league and europa league. I almost think that theres demand for a third tier european tournament, almost like an intertoto cup that happens during season.
cant see this super league doing anything other than making the premier league a 6 team mini league, and its much better when you see ten man leeds giving a game to city and mid table villa spank 7 past the champs. Its that competition thats made it so good.
Yeah, because none of the other super leaguers will want them.Muppets should rejoice, we can now buy Haaland, Sancho and Grealish all in 1 summer, with these extra 400 million.
So £400mil dividend for the glazers. Sod paying off the debt or fixing the stadium or updating the training ground. Invest in players? Nah. We'll keep that money for ourselves. A bonus for setting this all up.
Not a single team or player will be banned. This is all posturing. They wouldn't have taken the step if there was any danger of this.
The real problem is that if leagues don't prevent these clubs from playing in domestic leagues then they are going to absolutely pillage the non super league teams because they need two teams with this midweek competition. The gap between have and have not has been extended to the extreme.
I’m genuinely interested to know what our own players and the other players who are registered to these clubs make of this and the apparent repercussions of it e.g. not being allowed to play for your country at a World Cup.
Yeah we've no idea what the prize money will be every year but it'll have to be more lucrative than participating in the CL, otherwise it doesn't make much sense.
Hey I loved Bananaman as a kid. Leave that man alone- he s the reason why I love to put bananas down my throat and ...wait a min
Absolutely farcical.
Imagine the below scenarios:
Scenario A:
Team A has a poor start to their domestic league season and is in 10th position at Christmas. They also have a poor start to their Super League season and are just below midtable at the halfway stage. Form then temporarily improves enough to push Team A up to 6th in the league and they scrape qualification for the knockout stage in the Super League. Team A cannot mathematically win their domestic league and therefore tank all their remaining league games. Team A go on to win the Super League and finish 14th in their domestic league. This is a farce.
Scenario B:
Team B have an abysmal start to their domestic league season because all focus is placed in Super League. Team B finish top of their Super League group phase. at Christmas Team B are 20th in their domestic league but go into the knockout stage of the Super League in great form. Team B go on to win the Super League whilst being relegated from their domestic league.
The WHOLE POINT of European Competition is that is a reward for success in your domestic league. You have proven your current level in your league and take that into Europe to take on the best current teams. By removing any threat of removal from the Super League you remove any motivation for a team to perform in their domestic league. To be totally clear on this, Manchester United could theoretically just bomb out of the PL one season, Championship the next and be in League 2 whilst competing in the Super League.
Imagine the below scenarios:
Scenario A:
Team A has a poor start to their domestic league season and is in 10th position at Christmas. They also have a poor start to their Super League season and are just below midtable at the halfway stage. Form then temporarily improves enough to push Team A up to 6th in the league and they scrape qualification for the knockout stage in the Super League. Team A cannot mathematically win their domestic league and therefore tank all their remaining league games. Team A go on to win the Super League and finish 14th in their domestic league. This is a farce.
Scenario B:
Team B have an abysmal start to their domestic league season because all focus is placed in Super League. Team B finish top of their Super League group phase. at Christmas Team B are 20th in their domestic league but go into the knockout stage of the Super League in great form. Team B go on to win the Super League whilst being relegated from their domestic league.
The WHOLE POINT of European Competition is that is a reward for success in your domestic league. You have proven your current level in your league and take that into Europe to take on the best current teams. By removing any threat of removal from the Super League you remove any motivation for a team to perform in their domestic league. To be totally clear on this, Manchester United could theoretically just bomb out of the PL one season, Championship the next and be in League 2 whilst competing in the Super League.
I really hope the French and German teams won't cave. Last years finalists not being in the new Super League would undermine their whole goal, or at least the goal they pretend to have. Not getting my hopes up though, they might just be sitting on the fence and waiting how this plays out. In the end if it happens, not joining will be a very consequential decision
Honestly, I wouldn't expect most players to care beyond them 2-5x their current salary. I think for some it matters though like Pogba. But does it matter to the tune of 20-30m a year? Everyone has their price.
Better than the 1 super team league we have today?
Id love to see the City apologists in the media who attack this get called out on it. If 6 Citys is terrible for the league then 1 is as well
I am against the European Super League, but in my opinion, European football as I know it has long been dead. Winning the CL nowadays is, in my opinion, far less valuable than in the pre-Bosman period. Then, seeing clubs like Atlético, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham, Man City, PSG, etc., being considered the cream of European football, says everything I need to know about this future competition. Some have a lot of history, but some of those I have mentioned are tiny internationally. Everyone knows who these are.
Why are so many people dumping on Arsenal? We've won like 4 FA cups in 7 years and been to a Europa League final. We're hardly San Marino.
What's the cut off point and criteria? IF it's the last 5 years and based on footballing performance like some are arguing then I can't tell you how United got an invite. If it's baed on factors outside of the pitch like club size, fan support and all the rest of it, then you can't really question our inclusion.
I just read on twitter that Michael Jackson was two years old when Spurs last won the league
How anyone can look at the proposal that 15 of the teams can never be relegated and don’t think it’s a joke is truly beyond me. Arsenal can (however unrealistic it is) be relegated to the championship and will still be in the super league. Hand on heart don’t get how this is a positive change to the champions league. I really really don’t.
If this does go ahead, what does it mean for the domestic leagues?
If (and that's a big if) these clubs stay in their domestic competitions, surely the domestic competitions would have to adapt to account for all of the European games the participating clubs have to play?
Could it mean:
- The end to cups and/or a reduction in league games (or reserves playing in these competitions)
- The introduction of a 'knockout' end to the season to play for the title (to give some meaning back to finishing in positions outside of 1st or relegation)
I am a new poster but just had to come on for the first time in years to express alongside everyone else here what a sad, sad day this is for football. For the first time I feel no affinity towards what this club has become. Heartless, money-driven foreign owners looking to make a buck from English football should never have been allowed to happen.
It seemed OK at first with Blackburn, then Chelsea, then the rest of the clubs. People were saying it would be the end but it wasn't. But fast forward 15-20 years and this is what we're left with. It was the inevitable conclusion of foreign ownership, which should have been seen coming from a mile away.
We need to take back the clubs. I honestly don't know where this leaves me as a fan if this goes ahead. Absolutely gutted.
If United isn't in the Premier League it isn't United. It's just a club with the same name as one I used to love.
If (and that's a big if) these clubs stay in their domestic competitions, surely the domestic competitions would have to adapt to account for all of the European games the participating clubs have to play?
Could it mean:
- The end to cups and/or a reduction in league games (or reserves playing in these competitions)
- The introduction of a 'knockout' end to the season to play for the title (to give some meaning back to finishing in positions outside of 1st or relegation)
I am a new poster but just had to come on for the first time in years to express alongside everyone else here what a sad, sad day this is for football. For the first time I feel no affinity towards what this club has become. Heartless, money-driven foreign owners looking to make a buck from English football should never have been allowed to happen.
It seemed OK at first with Blackburn, then Chelsea, then the rest of the clubs. People were saying it would be the end but it wasn't. But fast forward 15-20 years and this is what we're left with. It was the inevitable conclusion of foreign ownership, which should have been seen coming from a mile away.
We need to take back the clubs. I honestly don't know where this leaves me as a fan if this goes ahead. Absolutely gutted.
If United isn't in the Premier League it isn't United. It's just a club with the same name as one I used to love.
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Not much, unless all fans do it, but one club..... Look at Tampa Bay, not many fans, not even on TV because of that, but they were still profitable. But then the Glazers decided to spend and won the Super Bowl this year.
In the scenario that the Super League sides are allowed to remain within their domestic leagues, what happens if one gets relegated?
In the Super League each team will get 2 timeouts per half. Maybe even a coaches challenge
Oh man, that's hilarious. Talk about giving your top leagues a suicide pill.
I'm not the one talking about anulling ownership of multi-million dollar organizations.
Oh yeah they'll have covered every angle. At best they'll back down with a bigger piece of the pie than they were getting before.
Time to form cheerleaders team with some hot chicks to dance for the fans during the timeout.
Bray Wanderers FC: "We've won the same amount of Premier League titles as Spurs"
This could be like when Kevin Hall and Scott Nash left WWE. We could be replaced in the Champions League by another Manchester United but its actually Birmingham City.
A few people have brought up positives. Now they all sound like bollocks to me but I have thought of one genuine one.
Cheerleaders anyone?
Cheerleaders anyone?
Watch the French FA stifle any banning from the national teams. They'll talk big but won't want to lose Pogba, Griezmann, etc
I would love for the FA to say "Too bad - you're out. Have fun playing 23 odd games a season" and take the hit of losing the biggest teams. fecking despise our owners.
Exactly, and this is why the Premier League (hopefully) really will kick the teams out. It'd be completely unfair on the Fulhams and Newcastles trying to stay in the league, one plays against a full strength City and the other plays United's kids. Destroys the spirit of the competition. It'll be better for the league long term to kick them out.
Do you have a source for this?
This summers transfer window is going to be fecking mad. The founding cocks of football are going to spend shitloads to get the fans onboard.
Why?
The investment in City is all about being an advert for Abu Dhabi. Given the choice of playing in a devalued CL with Udinese, Schalke and Sevilla every year or joining the super league with United, Real and Barca. It's obvious they would choose the latter.
Watch us still not spending anything close to what we'd need to compete
Yup.
With no need for European qualification if we have a bad first 10 games in the league then our domestic season is essentially over in September...leaving you with 28 dead rubbers because every spot from 2nd - 17th means essentially the same, outside of varying prize money for the owners.
Same goes for all the Super League clubs.