European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?

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dove said:
Everyone talking about punishments, point deductions etc. but are there actually any legal grounds to do so? As this never happened before I would assume there will be plenty of grey areas for the clubs to exploit and avoid any kind of punishment.
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Their lawyers aren't stupid. No doubt they've done their research.
 
Kounan said:
The league would, but what about the clubs with these huge costs and no income (and income would go down)?
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That’s the point I was trying to say it’s these clubs that will lose in the long run if the big leagues have the balls to kick them because there is plenty there to replace them.
 
astrogazer said:
Tottenham, Arsenal, City, Atlético Madrid... 0 CL trophies between them. At the level of championships, all together shouldn't sum up to half the number of championships wins for clubs like Ajax, Benfica, Celtic, set to languish, in a world apart, because their prestige is not backed by the green paper.
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dove said:
Everyone talking about punishments, point deductions etc. but are there actually any legal grounds to do so? As this never happened before I would assume there will be plenty of grey areas for the clubs to exploit and avoid any kind of punishment.
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i can’t see how you can get points deduction for your intention to do something in a couple of years.

it was only mentioned by Neville who has no basis, just going on emotions.

besides, even if they could, if you deduct points, that’s the end of the league. At present it’s just posturing, and there will be a compromise.
 
So disappointed by United. Its pure greed. We need to look at the ownership of clubs in the Premier league, that is the root of the problem.

If I understand this correctly we will be in a league where we can not be relegated with huge TV monies. Its just a cash cow for our American owners. Physically sick of the though of it.

One final point, the magic of the FA Cup, the small team knocking out a Liverpool or an United, its what football should be. Disgusted.
 
GBBQ said:
Isn’t the point they’re making somewhat watered down by the fact it’s on a channel you need to subscribe to to watch, one of 3 UK broadcasters that the Premier League sold tv rights to for this season meaning fans have to pay exorbitant amounts just to watch the games (oh and by the way in normal seasons you’re not even guaranteed to see all your games).

The super league is trash and I hope it gets binned but the PL can’t pretend they’re not just as greedy as the feckwit owners.
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Especially after the PPV stuff they tried to introduce.
 
christy87 said:
Not necessarily, they have done all this with the domestic league still being there and the money generated from that as well, if they relegate them or ban them that’s less income for them both tv deals and 18 match day sales gone, the league will survive without them it would be suicide for the clubs to risk being banned from domestic competitions.
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The TV money would dry up fast from the PL without the top clubs and players outside the top 6 would want to play in the top competition which would be the super league, the PL is absolutely crushed and so are the remaining teams if they kick the top 6 out.

They have no choice but to let them continue no matter what they’re trying to say in these statements. Same goes for FIFA they aren’t banning players, who wants to watch a World Cup filled with players from Villa, Everton, Villarreal, Getafe etc it Would be a massive sham that does nothing bud damage their own organisation.
 
The more you read, the more this comes across as a politicised PR stunt by these 12 ‘super clubs’ to leverage the power of their brands against UEFA and its future plans for the European Club competitions. From a PR standpoint mind, it has been fairly disastrous so far since this story broke.
 
I'm just wondering how Football Manager would do this
 
Worst of all is that you know these games would eventually be taken on tour like the Harlem Globetrotters. America, China, Japan, Mexico, wherever they can fill a stadium for $300 a ticket.
 
Traub said:
Not really. In the grand scheme of things, football clubs make up a small proportion of the UK economy. Removing/changing ownership of companies means overseas investors may re-think investing in any industry, if there is the threat that the government will just effectively nationalise. They won't do it, it'll be economic suicide on the back of Brexit.
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Kounan said:
How do you take it from them? You pay them off? Cheating is one thing, but private owneship is another thing. Especially in the west it is a big deal. And what about other investmens?
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Good points. I am no Corbyn supporter but what you can do is mandate a sale of the percentage of the club (at least 51%) to the public over a period of time (could be 2-3 years) at the open market value. I am sure enough people will buy in. You can also mandate clubs to be debt free and give them three years to do so. My main point is if there's a will, there's a way.

Also, people talk about investments. There are things that you just don't (or rather should not) sell like key infrastructure to outside parties. We've seen that with vaccine production.

The biggest 'capitalists', the US, are happy to flex their muscle and get better deals for their state by putting in really restrictive laws (again look at the pandemic, also their defence procurement laws).

And on the point of investments, these Americans have not invested in our (Arsenal/Man Utd/Liverpool) clubs, they have not added money, the Glazers being the most obvious case where they used us as an asset to get a mortgage and keep draining the club.
 
Didn't the FA plan a 39th game once upon a time?
 
If it is American owned i would expect some kind of salary cap and a NFL style league perhaps mini divisions of 4 then a knockout stage to their Superbowl final
 
Traub said:
Not really. In the grand scheme of things, football clubs make up a small proportion of the UK economy. Removing/changing ownership of companies means overseas investors may re-think investing in any industry, if there is the threat that the government will just effectively nationalise. They won't do it, it'll be economic suicide on the back of Brexit.
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I think you could still argue this is AGAINST British interests and in that case, there is no limitation to what you can do.
And you can tell all the other investors that finance or whatever industry you invest in is not really against British interests so there's no worry for them.
 
Christ. Someone needs to link up the inevitable Twitter thread that explains where we are succinctly, step by step. Can’t be arsed to look through thirty pages to get the overall gist of this & if it is indeed going to happen.
 
Rightnr said:
Good points. I am no Corbyn supporter but what you can do is mandate a sale of the percentage of the club (at least 51%) to the public over a period of time (could be 2-3 years) at the open market value. I am sure enough people will buy in. My main point is if there's a will, there's a way.

Also, people talk about investments. There are things that you just don't (or rather) sell like key infrastructure to outside parties. We've seen that with vaccine production.

The biggest 'capitalists', the US, are happy to flex their muscle and get better deals for their state by putting in really restrictive laws (again look at the pandemic, also their defence procurement laws).

And on the point of investments, these Americans have not invested in our (Arsenal/Man Utd/Liverpool) clubs, they have not added money, the Glazers being the most obvious case where they used us as an asset to get a mortgage and keep draining the club.
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The one think I think they could do is making it different for new clubs (like Germany did, but they went the opposite way, allowing private ownership), but to force them to do something now, especially by dictating the price....I really don't think they could do it.
 
I think we can all agree on this that we should end the season now and dock every team involved 100 points. Relegating Liverpool, Spurs and Arsenal.
 
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