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The Premier League needs to make it quite clear to all these teams.
If you leave and it doesn't work, or you decide you want back into our league.
You will NOT return directly to the Premiership, you can apply to return by way of Division 2.
Let's see then who wants to take the chance.
 
What is the general consensus of fans from countries outside of England? Similar outrage in Spain/Italy?
 
Rightnr said:
To be honest, all this uproar is well and good BUT if there is a real will politically, they can literally change the onwership laws for football clubs overnight.

People might call it socialism but there is no other way of doing this. Bring on the Germany model and give fans a voice to stop this ever happening.
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No, they can't as the clubs are already privately owned.
 
Neville is spot on with his criticism of the 6 English clubs. It's the worst kind of selfishness I've ever seen in football.
I have supported United since 24th september 1983, but I will not see a single match in this European Super League. It's a promise.
These clubs will make a league where they are self-written. It undermines the entire national league system, where the best placed teams get the honor of playing in the Champions League. And why should these teams be self-written though? Many of them have not won a national championship in many, many years.
For the first time ever, I am embarrassed by Manchester United. This makes me sick.

I think a great punishment for the teams that have signed the agreement would be fair. A big penalty with point reductions, deprivation of all championships and maybe even forced relegation.
 
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Jazz said:
I'm just confused about all this.
It's ironic UEFA etc trying to act like they are the organisations with integrity :rolleyes:
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it’s astonishing. An organisation that’s as corrupt as anything in sport who have acted with impunity for decades.

not condoning this breakaway, but feck me UEFA have zero morality to stand on.
 
Any chance this ends with the following?
- automatic qualification for certain clubs to the UCL.
- More tv money for certain clubs.
 
predator said:
Very interesting post. No way is that true regarding Barca and Dundee! I've just found out they played a friendly at dundees stadium in 2007 and Messi, Henry, Ronaldinho, xavi, iniesta eto all played. The full match is on YouTube!
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Go back to 1987, in the UEFA cup, I think. After 1-0 to Dundee United in Scotland, I listened to the live coverage from BBC of the return leg from my home in Norway. Strange as it may sound, it was of course surprising, but not really a shock-of-the-century type of result. That was the balance of power I grew up with, and it's incredibly boring now that the top of the pyramid is completely homogenized. It's like being forced to listen to the top-10 best-selling musical artists, and nothing else.
 
Castia said:
Imagine the PL without the top 6 and La Liga without Barce, Madrid and Ath Madrid, they haven’t got the power to ban them it would be financial suicide for the PL and La Liga

Suck it up boys the big clubs are off.
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Not necessarily, they have done all this with the domestic league still being there and the money generated from that as well, if they relegate them or ban them that’s less income for them both tv deals and 18 match day sales gone, the league will survive without them it would be suicide for the clubs to risk being banned from domestic competitions.
 
From latest reports this seems like a shot across the bows at EUFA with regards to the new champions league format, though what that is I don’t know.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So what if United join this Superb League? A few fancy games, great commercial opportunities, gain loads of dosh, players come back to England covered in gold, hey United did you get a haircut, look closer Lenny, bloody fantastic and everyone's a winner. Who are Sunderland? The team playing against the guys who hammered AC Milan in a 1-1 draw in Peru across the road from Ian's burger van.

Anyone who doesn't see the greatness of this whole plan is a total idiot.
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i don't know if we've got enough tackle for this much bait.
 
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Has it been reported which clubs initiated all this SuperLeague stuff?

Wouldn't be remotely surprised if it were the American-owned clubs. I've seen claims it's an "American takeover of European top-level football".
 
Kounan said:
No, they can't as the clubs are already privately owned.
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Anything in the UK, private or public is within the purview of the government. We've seen that in the last year where business owners like Ashley thought they could cheat.

But if a real emergency and will exists, rules just change. The only reason this private ownership is brought up is the cult of capitalism and we've seen today what capitalism in football ends with. So if they want to abuse the system, change the system.
 
VorZakone said:
Has it been reported which clubs initiated all this SuperLeague stuff?

Wouldn't be remotely surprised if it were the American-owned clubs. I've seen claims it's an "American takeover of European top-level football".
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Think the likes of Real Madrid and Barcelona have been quite keen actually.
 
christy87 said:
Not necessarily, they have done all this with the domestic league still being there and the money generated from that as well, if they relegate them or ban them that’s less income for them both tv deals and 18 match day sales gone, the league will survive without them it would be suicide for the clubs to risk being banned from domestic competitions.
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The league would, but what about the clubs with these huge costs and no income (and income would go down)?
 
VorZakone said:
Has it been reported which clubs initiated all this SuperLeague stuff?

Wouldn't be remotely surprised if it were the American-owned clubs. I've seen claims it's an "American takeover of European top-level football".
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The proposed committee would give you a hint
 
caid said:
Bullshit. People will watch which ever teams are the best. Thats not Tottenham or Arsenal. No one cares much about this current incarnation of Barcelona, Red Bull Liepzig are pretty much as attractive as them at the moment.
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But it is City, United and Chelsea (this season at least). People don't watch teams based on how attractive their football is; they watch the biggest teams. That's why there is such a huge gap in budget between the biggest clubs and the rest. I don't think this will happen now but eventually Bayern and PSG will get on board and they'll do it.
 
Mr Pigeon said:
So what if United join this Superb League? A few fancy games, great commercial opportunities, gain loads of dosh, players come back to England covered in gold, hey United did you get a haircut, look closer Lenny, bloody fantastic and everyone's a winner. Who are Sunderland? The team playing against the guys who hammered AC Milan in a 1-1 draw in Peru across the road from Ian's burger van.

Anyone who doesn't see the greatness of this whole plan is a total idiot.
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If their plan was to compete in all leagues, squad sizes would be huge too. Can imagine there would be no real pump to win the league for us.

It would ruin my FPL enjoyment :(
 
Hester_manc said:
Neville is spot on with his criticism of the 6 English clubs. It's the worst kind of selfishness I've ever seen in football.
I have supported United since 1983, but I will not see a single match in this European Super League. It's a promise. I am embarrassed by Manchester United. This makes me sick.
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Look to the owners. Why would we expect anything different from them, it's not at all surprising to me.
 
Rightnr said:
To be honest, all this uproar is well and good BUT if there is a real will politically, they can literally change the onwership laws for football clubs overnight.

People might call it socialism or communism or whatever but there is no other way of doing this because these guys probably know they fit within the current legal structures.

Bring on the Germany model and give fans a voice to stop this ever happening.
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Not really. In the grand scheme of things, football clubs make up a small proportion of the UK economy. Removing/changing ownership of companies means overseas investors may re-think investing in any industry, if there is the threat that the government will just effectively nationalise. They won't do it, it'll be economic suicide on the back of Brexit.
 
Rightnr said:
Anything in the UK, private or public is within the purview of the government. We've seen that in the last year where business owners like Ashley thought they could cheat.

But if a real emergency and will exists, rules just change. The only reason this private ownership is brought up is the cult of capitalism and we've seen today what capitalism in football ends with. So if they want to abuse the system, change the system.
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How do you take it from them? You pay them off? Cheating is one thing, but private owneship is another thing. Especially in the west it is a big deal. And what about other investmens?
 
Odemwingie has travelled to Old Trafford in anticipation of an announcement.
 
VorZakone said:
No doubt more clubs would be, once things get moving. But were they among those who started it? Or proposed it?
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Madrid were probably one of the initiators which is likely why Perez will be the chairman. This isnt just about American owners
 
Berbasbullet said:
Any chance this ends with the following?
- automatic qualification for certain clubs to the UCL.
- More tv money for certain clubs.
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... in the short term, maybe... but I think the "super" clubs see a breakaway from UEFA as inevitable. Just as the premier league clubs didn't want the Football League, the super clubs don't want UEFA.
 
Tottenham, Arsenal, City, Atlético Madrid... 0 CL trophies between them. At the level of championships, all together shouldn't sum up to half the number of championships wins for clubs like Ajax, Benfica, Celtic, set to languish, in a world apart, because their prestige is not backed by the green paper.
 
Everyone talking about punishments, point deductions etc. but are there actually any legal grounds to do so? As this never happened before I would assume there will be plenty of grey areas for the clubs to exploit and avoid any kind of punishment.
 
Counterfactual said:
... in the short term, maybe... but I think the "super" clubs see a breakaway from UEFA as inevitable. Just as the premier league clubs didn't want the Football League, the super clubs don't want UEFA.
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Fair, I’m just seeing this as almost a negotiation tactic to reform the UCL, but you might be right.
 
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Isn’t the point they’re making somewhat watered down by the fact it’s on a channel you need to subscribe to to watch, one of 3 UK broadcasters that the Premier League sold tv rights to for this season meaning fans have to pay exorbitant amounts just to watch the games (oh and by the way in normal seasons you’re not even guaranteed to see all your games).

The super league is trash and I hope it gets binned but the PL can’t pretend they’re not just as greedy as the feckwit owners.
 
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