The premier league clubs need to be careful here, it would be stupid to do something like relegate or ban these teams despite public pressure. That would force the Super League's hand to compete with those leagues, and if they are able to pass the legal ramification, even if they chose to return to the Premier League, just like the FA cup, even having one instance of this would heavily damage the league. The 14 clubs are also looking at things with self-interest which is the actual problem that the organizations have right now. Too many parties have their own agendas. The big 6 already feel limited support from the FA in their scheduling post Europe, inability to sign some younger players, imposed quota on signing British talent, heavy handed approaches to disciplinary issues, the transfer window moving earlier a few years ago....so they already have rightful grievances with the FA, if they become too heavy handed, this will go somewhere than only the big clubs would win
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I don't watch the NBA, so inclined to look at the sport I do watch which is baseball.
That'll teach them a lesson about sporting merit.
My thoughts exactly. With the PR backlash coming in the last two days, and which I expect won't be going to lie down anytime soon, can't see this happening.
The others might have some objection to it and there must be some legal framework.
If the SL goes through I would expect discussions and restructuring of those national leagues, particurlaly the PL, Serie A and La Liga.
If the PL expel the 6 SL clubs they'll also be cutting their nose off to spite their face, or shooting themselves in the foot.
This all sounds very familiar.
“We” are not. The Glazers are. I’d support any movement that pushed the message that the Glazers are not Manchester United, they own us by they aren’t the soul of the club. People shouldn’t hate on Man Utd, they should feel sad that one of the greatest clubs in the history global sport are being used like this. It’s really tragic and upsetting honestly. We never wanted the Glazers, we never wanted this.
"We are going to make the games shorter"An Oprah interview with the owners
[5 second silence] You gonna what? Hol...Hoooold on...
Ah such a shit show, I agree football lost it soul a long time ago and sometimes I think I’m only still invested in it as my child is football mad so I keep upto date with it and watch it maybe because of that, I don’t know, Ive watched champions league games to lower league to Sunday league and love it all, I coach football and used to love playing it, I’ve basically been involved in football all my life but have seen the professional game move further and further away from the grass roots I’ve been involved in, I find it really sad and this is just the final nail.If that were to happen I think it will be either CL/EL or SL. So whoever finishes 1-2 in your example has to register for CL or SL, and in time the CL/EL will fade away.
But the last few days have been very emotional for everyone involved, I think i'm just in shock at the pure audacity of these teams - on one hand I applaud it (purely because I thrive off drama) on the other hand, i'm not entirely surprised that this is where football is going, it's been on the roadmap for a number of years.
One thing I will say, is that this entire debacle should hopefully take off the idealism glasses for a lot of fans - the soul of football has gone and has been gone for a while. There are people talking about how unfair it is on the managers, the players, won't somebody think of the children? etc. None of this is new quite frankly.
The storm will die down - CL & EL will go ahead this season, managers & players will continue to do their jobs & talks will continue to happen in the background and I would expect this to go ahead maybe not next season but the season after with changes to the initial plan & with agreement from respective domestic FA's and a change to the rules to allow qualification through league places - but that's me in dreamland too.
I wouldn’t think your first para would be such a bad idea either if they had to choose what to enter, it’s not ideal but atleast it’s still there to fight for.
It’s the closed group for twenty years including teams like Spurs for money reasons and ignoring teams like Ajax. I just can’t believe what is happening and I am adamant I will not put a penny towards it.
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In the article it says income tax on salaries shall be at a rate of 45%, so clubs in Spain where they pay more tax normally, aren't at a disadvantage.
No i'm not, you're ignoring that business owners are making decisions that they think is best for their business.
In the same way when we've bought/sold players without consulting the managers, or released youth players and not informed them until they saw it on our social media, or hired staff members and changed the entire org (Nicky Butt & Darren Fletcher come to mind)
If the owners want to do something they don't have to tell the people who it will affect until a time that suits them - it's nice for them to do it and involve employees in the process, expected maybe in some situations - but there is nothing forcing them to do it.
And likewise, I wouldn't be surprised if they are counting on long term support and riding out this wave of massive disapproval. But then again, this is only the 3rd day, so we have to see how things go.
I was gonna say this. The first time I heard of the notion of "tanking", I was incredulous. Teams actually get rewarded for serving up shit for their fans with their choice of draft picks and future superstars.
When losing brings its own rewards, what's even the point of the competition?
Everyone already knows it about the Glazers as well though.
I find the talk about merit pretty rich coming from people associated with a sport whose regulatory bodies look the other way on financial doping by petrol state and oligarch owned clubs.
They mean in terms of calculating the spending cap I think.
Yep couldn't agree more, they have to introduce consequences for failure to perform - that should be non-negotiable for any sport, in this instance - nobody should get to stay in the competition just because they are a founding member.
He has his moments.
Fair play to Bayern, I thought they might get enticed in but they are making a stand
For United specifically as they are a publicly traded company, the manager/players would not be able to be told about things that might have an impact on the share price before anyone else. Happens all the time where I work, we find out the same time as everyone else what has been done.
Sorry I was talking in terms of the tax side and the Governments bagging more money through the 45% tax, which is an inflated rate than normal in the UK. Unless I'm being stupid here, which could very well be the case
The problem the "supergiants" here have is that Britain probably has some legal right to protect its cultural heritage. With the league system and its integrity going as far back as 1888, its a easy argument to make that Football and sanctity of competition IS British culture.
And then there is public opinion.
This is probably the most unified the British population has been since Caesar came ashore. I, and I assume most of you, would be fully in favor of the league levying heavy punishments on the club, including being kicked out of the Europa League and docked points in the Premier League. Same goes for fans of the other "big six" clubs.
If Boris and the Parlament attempts to introduce exceptions to legislation that stipulates that all football clubs playing in Britain can only qualify for European competitions through league placements, just to throw an example full of holes out there.
Every single politician that vote for that type of legislation TODAY would see their poll numbers go up. Protecting the Premier League is one of the most popular political decisions they can make, and a easy fight to invest yourself in. Every headline applauds you, and every fan of football, so most of the nation, will love you.
This is Boris' "We shall fight on the beaches" moment, and I hope he makes good on it.
And then there is public opinion.
This is probably the most unified the British population has been since Caesar came ashore. I, and I assume most of you, would be fully in favor of the league levying heavy punishments on the club, including being kicked out of the Europa League and docked points in the Premier League. Same goes for fans of the other "big six" clubs.
If Boris and the Parlament attempts to introduce exceptions to legislation that stipulates that all football clubs playing in Britain can only qualify for European competitions through league placements, just to throw an example full of holes out there.
Every single politician that vote for that type of legislation TODAY would see their poll numbers go up. Protecting the Premier League is one of the most popular political decisions they can make, and a easy fight to invest yourself in. Every headline applauds you, and every fan of football, so most of the nation, will love you.
This is Boris' "We shall fight on the beaches" moment, and I hope he makes good on it.
Those greedy money grabbing folks at the top must be delighted all of this is happening with empty stadiums. Things can almost appear normal outside social media. If this was happening in normal times 90% of the match Day fans will be outside the stadiums throwing eggs at the team bus.
I think you're completely missing the point I'm making.
I know what they have to do.
This is about what they should do in order to gain support. By not doing that theyve completely shot themselves in the foot and probably tripled the amount of backlash they'd have otherwise received. People are angry that these decisions have been made that effects so many people, without any one knowing. The people that matter, not knowing.
The billionaire owners will sort it among themselves.
In the short term it would result in severe financial pain but in the long run I just can't see the PL, or any of the leagues, surviving in their current states if they're effectively the reserve leagues for the super league clubs.
People still believe the share price malarkey? I thought that had been debunked already?
They're all businesses aiming to make profit - they can do what they want, it would just be nice if they did it nicely & with transparency, they just don't have to.
Yup. The more players - well, 'players' - that speak up the better. A strong coalition of players and managers will be the fastest way to end this.
Unfortunately, the PR industry is frighteningly risk adverse. Despite it being a slam dunk profile boost, with 95% of the country on your side, I've literally sat through two days of repetitive meetings on the pros/cons of speaking about it on social media on the behalf of players.
Seems like Roc are as risk adverse as the rest of us - for now at least - and decided that a slightly vague picture about fans is safer than an actual statement or anything that namechecks the league.
Baseball is totally different and I wouldn't have made the point that I made about NBA for Baseball. In Baseball teams genuinely tank and tank really hard, for example Baltimore recently. In the NBA it happens but you can't say that it's 15 teams it's 2 or 3 teams out of 30 at the most, for example the Timberwoves aren't tanking, KAT requires surgery but he is still playing big minutes, if the Wolves wanted to tank they could take him out and guarantee to finish last. In the NFL tanking is nearly impossible because players can't half arse it, some teams are simply very bad but the players try hard and you seldomly see lineups that don't feature the best players.
Now that's more like it, after Rummenigge's initial so-so statement. "Bayern say no to Super League"
The manager can probably be considered a sufficiently integral part of the company that he CAN be told before any pubic announcement is made. Insider trading legislation is there to ensure that outside parties do not trade on undisclosed information prior to it being known, information such as a new superleague. As long as Ole does not actively shop or sell shares of related companies prior to the news being broken, he can absolutely know what's going on.
The reason Ed was being such a snake about this one is unquestionably because the clubs KNOW that they have no public favor here, and they are trying to control the flow of information as much as they can. Its the same reason they are refusing to speak to the press, because they know that any encouner with the public will not be a favorable one.
This is by far and beyond the dirties deal in football, and that includes every single transaction Sepp Blatter ever did.
No chance it's going ahead now
And I understand that, but I think they are banking on power & money being the main driving force here to push their agenda.
Like I said earlier, they're hoping to ride this wave of disapproval, nothing will happen to them this season (in terms of being kicked out of competitions) and through discussions in the coming weeks, I think stances on both sides will soften and the initial 'rules' will have changed and a compromise found.
Or, it won't go ahead at all, and it will be 'forgotten' (in the same way stuff like Juve's match fixing has been 'forgotten' i.e. not not really forgotten and it tarnishes the legacy, but ultimately we've all moved on)
What does it say “We’re more than happy with the domestic monopoly that we’ve cultivated”
Its the rules of the stock exchange in both the UK and the US - its not "malarkey".
They cannot be transparent with things like this until it happens.
For privately owned clubs like Chelsea and City, they can do what they want.