European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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Yep. Klopp has already accepted it.. this is definitely happening. Can't be stopped.

fecking shame. I hope we continue in the Premier league at least.. something to watch.. I dont think I'll be watching the glorified pre season Emirates cup or whatever the feck they want to name it.
Don't understand that take. There's not much he can do or say at this point. He stated his dislike pretty clearly and can't openly shit on the owners now, can he? He doesn't hold the cards and he (and us) have yet how the whole shit-show is going to unfold. There's still ample time for him and others jump the ship.
 
Im all for this but when smaller clubs voted against 5 subs so the players from bigger clubs are putting their health at risk, it shines a different light in self interest
Or the smaller teams don't have squads as large/good as the bigger clubs and were looking to keep things equal rather than wanting to put health at risk.

Everyone pulling out some bullshit "...yeah but this person/team once said/did X" is pissing me off. We're talking about the game being ruined for everyone.
 
Argument was whether it is legal to kick them out which despite my limited understanding, doesn't look likely. Morally and Ethically it is wrong and we can all agree on that but i am hopeful certain compromises which benefits the league as a whole can be reached.
It won’t be kicking them out, it will be those teams choosing to join another organisation imo. One that is not regulated by fifa or uefa. A team can’t be in two leagues, it makes no sense
 
More PR. Every club knew what was going to happen. This is just face saving measure to blame the select few. After all the English press is already decided who the bigger culprit is and who was the saviour of Englisg football.

True. If the other clubs start pulling out, let’s say a City (which doesn’t really need to be in this outside of wanting to be part of the club), and this collapses, I feel like United will, deservedly so, look so bad.
 
Aplogies if this has been discussed before, but would the members of Real and / or Barca be able to overthrow the decision of their management?
 
Or the smaller teams don't have squads as large/good as the bigger clubs and were looking to keep things equal rather than wanting to put health at risk.
But the top clubs players play more games and the extra subs would have been held back in case of injury late in games.
It wasnt abused in the CL or EL. Hell we saw it after the restart last season Smaller teams werent overrun by bigger squads.
Playing the oh we are just trying to hold our own card was cynical.
 
I still don't understand how spurs are deemed worthy of being in this super league, they haven't won a single trophy for god knows how long and have barely been in the champions league that much either. Same could be said for arsenal to an extent
 
Imagine this

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Fantastic. Hope others follow suit.
All the other 14 EPL clubs should have released coordinated statements at the same time written the same and hopefully the shit 6 will be hit severely with sanctions when they meet today
 
Now imagining the nervous execs as these guys.

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I still don't understand how spurs are deemed worthy of being in this super league, they haven't won a single trophy for god knows how long and have barely been in the champions league that much either. Same could be said for arsenal to an extent
They're the whipping boys so the big clubs know they won't finish bottom and be embarrassed.

"Hi Jeff. I'm just happy to be here"
 
having slept on it, I think ive become numb to it now. this is the free market in action. clubs can form whatever competition they like and invite who they want. (there was a time when football league entry was invite only, and to an extent with their requirements etc it still is). if the fans dont like it, then we walk away, like I will.

seeing politicians rush into making comment / organising meetings etc, winds me up more. Where's the proper regulation of the energy market? (the poorest paying way more for their utilities through pay meters etc). Same could be said for banking with interest rates for the poor etc, but thats all allowed because its a free market. why's football any different. The football industry has been about the £ over the glory since it turned professional. Listening to Harry Redknapp on the radio eulogising about the good old days, when it wasnt about the money etc made me sick in my mouth. They didnt ask him if having secret off shore bank accounts in the name of his dog was all about sporting integrity....
 
The players and their agents will probably embrace him at helping them make more money than ever. That's the sad reality. Players could easily argue the move is a breach of contract as it would change the working conditions as per their contract. Instead of suing for that none of them will say anything and happily count their money. I don't think the players, who see themselves as employees, have the same passion as the fans on nearly any subject never mind one they stand to make even more money from.

I'm sure if you privately asked players playing for the 6 clubs right now if they agreed with ESL, 99% of them would say no.
I wouldn't be so sure that not a single one of them won't break ranks.
 

I read here (Germany) yesterday that both Bayern and Dortmund were in fact in favour.

What Rummenigge says I can believe though and someone else said that this has all come about because the likes of Barca and Real are so massively indebted that this will solve their short term financial issues in one fell swoop.

What football needs is a salary cap to start with. Messi's contract alone shows us that.
 
I still don't understand how spurs are deemed worthy of being in this super league, they haven't won a single trophy for god knows how long and have barely been in the champions league that much either. Same could be said for arsenal to an extent

If you are making a league of the 15 richest clubs in Europe, Spurs and Arsenal are in it.
 
Man I’m 28 and I’m just like....am I really that old? Is this really what the generation below me wants?

It just sounds like these people don’t actually enjoy football, and are trying to turn the beautiful game into some more appealing to themselves. It’s disgusting.
My kid is ten and lives football, will happily sit and watch full united Games against Burnley or whoever, watches football reels from theb80’s 90’s with me, loves the competiveness and plays football himself. The difference to when I was young is he watches far more live games and not just highlights like I had to wait for and far more clued up on foreign players due to YouTube and PlayStation fifa. The excuse that it’s being done because young people don’t like it is bollocks imo.

you either like football or you don’t, this is just going after the fans that don’t like it but watch it sometimes, a bit like boxing ‘fans’ only watching a Joshua fight.
 
This exactly what I would want to. In what world spending 400m in one window is considered sustainable.

But they actually don't say that they wont join. It's more like it may not solve the problem but we need to acknowledge that there is a problem.
Glad that he also highlights the fact that agents and players salaries are a part of the problem.

Same TV money and a £150k/wk salary cap and I doubt clubs would have made big losses, even with CV19.

I'm sure I could live on £150k/wk if I was careful.
 
What happened to all the talk of kicking us out? Why offer the clubs a way back? Could it be, that without Real, Barca, United, Liverpool and Juve, your product (let’s be real that’s what the CL and EL are to UEFA) is worthless to TV and sponsors?

This is the same gutless UEFA that’s allowed City and PSG to circumvent FFP with ease and showed the world that in court, they couldn’t even enforce their own rules.

Because why would they kick them out if the change their mind? They want them in the competitions, no point throwing them out because then they'll just go ahead and create their league.
 
They're delusional. They probably didn't expect this negative response to it and are trying to backtrack

At first I thought there’s no way they would have done this without searching out that there’s a proper market for this, but listening to Perez rambling on in that interview I can actually believe that they were deluded enough to think everyone would love this idea, even if evidence pointed to the contrary, and are now surprised.
 
There was definitely a discussion on soccer Saturday maybe 10 years ago now when some were arguing of the danger of letting foreign owners take over the biggest clubs in the PL would lead to a breakaway. Imagine Merson and Phil being on top of this back then! The shame of it...
 


How are Chelsea in bigger debt than Barca?!?

edit: Just realised Tottenham are too :lol: must explain their partaking in the ESL
 
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The problems aren't gone even if the superleage is canceled. We need a european wide buget cap. The main problem is that the clubs overbid each other in palyer salaries.
 
This idea of of a founding 15 clubs immune from relegation and a special "invited 5" simple doesn't work, the 5 teams that get relegated each year will be the 5 that joined it. Depending on numbers promoted relegated each year of course, but the idea is a joke, basically no promoted team can play in the league for more than one season at a time. :lol: