European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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I honestly find this point of view offensive.
Realized when he started talking about paying for services that he was a bit short sighted in his views. He forgets the selfish 6 still want to be in the EPL so he would still need to sign up to Sky/BT to watch all those games, plus probably Amazon ontop if he wants to watch the mafia league
 
Could you imagine how much enjoyment we as fans would have sitting around mid table in a super league with no relegation, no top 4 battle, no champions league, playing reserves in the PL at the weekend.

The fun will be gone.
Aye just meandering there and Glazers just bleeding us dry. Just doing enough to stay in the Premier League as the payments are all pretty much even anyway. Just a pointless existence. feck that.
 
I voted "YES" for the ESL because:

1. I'm sick of VAR, the lack of consistency of English referees. I'm honestly tired of being frustrated with the lack of accountability with refereeing

2. I lost interest in watching Manutd games against the likes of Granada, Burnley, Cyrstal Palace, etc. I find myself always scrolling through Instagram during these small team games. During big games against the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea, however, I'm fully emotionally invested. And I like that feeling. So hopefully the ESL can bring back my passion for football

3. I'm sick of paying multiple telecommunications hundreds of dollars per month for sports coverage. The ESL can solve this issue by having its own network or partnering up with leading streaming companies such as Netflix, Hulu, or Disney. I do not mind for paying affordable streaming services. Currently, I'm subscribed to Netflix and Disney.

From a football fan perspective that does not reside in UK, I don't see any downside to the ESL. I notice that is a lot of talk of "English Pyramid", "Coaches jobs", "Stadium infrastructures investment", "UK tv rights", etc. Not to be insensitive, but none of those are a concern to global football fans that just want to watch the best players compete against each other in a convenient platform at bargain prices.

The stuff that excites me most about football:

1. Watching the best team which also means best players and managers competing against each other

2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc

I think the ESL can provide an outstanding product. I will probably receive backlash for this post. But this is my geniune opinion, and I cannot wait for football to be exciting again. I want to be emotionally invested week in and week out, and that can only happen if the best players in terms of skills and branding are pitted against each other.

Yes it does sound ridiculous. Stop bastardising football just because you have an attention span of a fecking crab.
 
Viewing figures for games involving the likes of us, Barcelona, Madrid etc are always higher than those involving teams like Leipzig or Napoli. The hype around us v Milan in a damp squib round of 16 game was amongst the biggest the EL has ever had. That's what it comes down to. The CL has become too big and diluted.

I'm not sure why Spurs are being allowed in to this.

They just happen to be considered part of the 'Big 6' at this point in time. Big brand and a fancy new stadium. It's nothing to do with history or sporting merit, and they're really barely even pretending it is.
 
Expulsion from next season is the most likely scenario IMO. I really don’t see where there are no reprimands for what just
happened.
We will know by Friday according to UEFA vice chairman. Theres a emergency meeting at UEFA to see what they can legally do. The boss (sont know his name) wants the clubs expelled this season.

Personally UEFA, PL should with hold all prize money for the 5 english clubs. Dock them each 30 points this season. Then add in a points deduction for every game they play in the ESL next season onwards. 3 PL points docked per game played. Will certainly make the PL more interesting.

Tbh, my rage, anger and fury at Utd at the moment is annoying me. I keep telling myself its just football, but I've followed Utd for over 40 years. Im genuinely heartbroken by the direction the owners are taking the club.

We are Manchester United, we are supposed to be the bellwether by which all other english clubs follow. Instead we're lost in a sea of fog blindly heading for an iceberg with a captain who has lost all perspective.
 
Aye just meandering there and Glazers just bleeding us dry. Just doing enough to stay in the Premier League as the payments are all pretty much even anyway. Just a pointless existence. feck that.

Our EPL team on a weekend for a league that means nothing going forwards

Grant
Williams Jones Tuanzebe Dalot
Garner McTom Perriera
Linz Martial James
 
I can see both sides of the argument. This Super league stinks of greed. But I can also see the points others made that UEFA and FIFA are corrupt bastards too.

So I'll reserve judgment until we see how all of this pans out.
 
I voted "YES" for the ESL because:

1. I'm sick of VAR, the lack of consistency of English referees. I'm honestly tired of being frustrated with the lack of accountability with refereeing

2. I lost interest in watching Manutd games against the likes of Granada, Burnley, Cyrstal Palace, etc. I find myself always scrolling through Instagram during these small team games. During big games against the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea, however, I'm fully emotionally invested. And I like that feeling. So hopefully the ESL can bring back my passion for football

3. I'm sick of paying multiple telecommunications hundreds of dollars per month for sports coverage. The ESL can solve this issue by having its own network or partnering up with leading streaming companies such as Netflix, Hulu, or Disney. I do not mind for paying affordable streaming services. Currently, I'm subscribed to Netflix and Disney.

From a football fan perspective that does not reside in UK, I don't see any downside to the ESL. I notice that is a lot of talk of "English Pyramid", "Coaches jobs", "Stadium infrastructures investment", "UK tv rights", etc. Not to be insensitive, but none of those are a concern to global football fans that just want to watch the best players compete against each other in a convenient platform at bargain prices.

The stuff that excites me most about football:

1. Watching the best team which also means best players and managers competing against each other

2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc

I think the ESL can provide an outstanding product. I will probably receive backlash for this post. But this is my geniune opinion, and I cannot wait for football to be exciting again. I want to be emotionally invested week in and week out, and that can only happen if the best players in terms of skills and branding are pitted against each other.
Words fail me. Go back to playing fifa you child.
 
Can't the fan groups of each of the founding father clubs create a petition together or something like that? :lol:

Surely it'd be simple to get millions of people to sign that.
 
I go back and forth.

The fact that Uefa could not even uphold City's ban makes me think it is unlikely at this point.

It does higher than UEFA now. It’s at the very highest levels of local government now and I’d be stunned if they didn’t do everything in their power to prevent this from happening. People can hate Tories but even they know that ripping out football root and stem from this country and the blowback would be absolutely brutal. I have confidence in their self-preservation.
 
Interestingly enough, the PL would be more interesting without these clubs. Should Manchester united press on with this charade then I'll
Master League.
I voted "YES" for the ESL because:

1. I'm sick of VAR, the lack of consistency of English referees. I'm honestly tired of being frustrated with the lack of accountability with refereeing

2. I lost interest in watching Manutd games against the likes of Granada, Burnley, Cyrstal Palace, etc. I find myself always scrolling through Instagram during these small team games. During big games against the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea, however, I'm fully emotionally invested. And I like that feeling. So hopefully the ESL can bring back my passion for football

3. I'm sick of paying multiple telecommunications hundreds of dollars per month for sports coverage. The ESL can solve this issue by having its own network or partnering up with leading streaming companies such as Netflix, Hulu, or Disney. I do not mind for paying affordable streaming services. Currently, I'm subscribed to Netflix and Disney.

From a football fan perspective that does not reside in UK, I don't see any downside to the ESL. I notice that is a lot of talk of "English Pyramid", "Coaches jobs", "Stadium infrastructures investment", "UK tv rights", etc. Not to be insensitive, but none of those are a concern to global football fans that just want to watch the best players compete against each other in a convenient platform at bargain prices.

The stuff that excites me most about football:

1. Watching the best team which also means best players and managers competing against each other

2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc

I think the ESL can provide an outstanding product. I will probably receive backlash for this post. But this is my geniune opinion, and I cannot wait for football to be exciting again. I want to be emotionally invested week in and week out, and that can only happen if the best players in terms of skills and branding are pitted against each other.
I'm of the opinion you may have a very low attention span.
 
I voted "YES" for the ESL because:

1. I'm sick of VAR, the lack of consistency of English referees. I'm honestly tired of being frustrated with the lack of accountability with refereeing

2. I lost interest in watching Manutd games against the likes of Granada, Burnley, Cyrstal Palace, etc. I find myself always scrolling through Instagram during these small team games. During big games against the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea, however, I'm fully emotionally invested. And I like that feeling. So hopefully the ESL can bring back my passion for football

3. I'm sick of paying multiple telecommunications hundreds of dollars per month for sports coverage. The ESL can solve this issue by having its own network or partnering up with leading streaming companies such as Netflix, Hulu, or Disney. I do not mind for paying affordable streaming services. Currently, I'm subscribed to Netflix and Disney.

From a football fan perspective that does not reside in UK, I don't see any downside to the ESL. I notice that is a lot of talk of "English Pyramid", "Coaches jobs", "Stadium infrastructures investment", "UK tv rights", etc. Not to be insensitive, but none of those are a concern to global football fans that just want to watch the best players compete against each other in a convenient platform at bargain prices.

The stuff that excites me most about football:

1. Watching the best team which also means best players and managers competing against each other

2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc

I think the ESL can provide an outstanding product. I will probably receive backlash for this post. But this is my geniune opinion, and I cannot wait for football to be exciting again. I want to be emotionally invested week in and week out, and that can only happen if the best players in terms of skills and branding are pitted against each other.
Almost had me.
 
This meeting should be fun. How on hell do you tell the likes of Leicester, West Ham and Everton, that this makes sense?
 
One thing that really disappoints me is how proud I would have been had United been the one English side to say not to this. It would have been the United I've followed all my life, doing the right thing for the fans. I am jealous that Bayern have a team willing to do the right thing and we're not only just involved in this but leading it. All to make the Glazers richer.
 
I can see both sides of the argument. This Super league stinks of greed. But I can also see the points others made that UEFA and FIFA are corrupt bastards too.

So I'll reserve judgment until we see how all of this pans out.

UEFA and FIFA are as bent as a nine bob note but that's not enough reason to chuck out the whole structure of the game.

:lol:

That poster is the type of fan the ESL is targeting.

I've just thought, this venture is an attempt to change the whole sport to cater to those people who I had otherwise assumed only exist in chatboxes next to dodgy streams. :(
 
We will know by Friday according to UEFA vice chairman. Theres a emergency meeting at UEFA to see what they can legally do. The boss (sont know his name) wants the clubs expelled this season.

Personally UEFA, PL should with hold all prize money for the 5 english clubs. Dock them each 30 points this season. Then add in a points deduction for every game they play in the ESL next season onwards. 3 PL points docked per game played. Will certainly make the PL more interesting.

Tbh, my rage, anger and fury at Utd at the moment is annoying me. I keep telling myself its just football, but I've followed Utd for over 40 years. Im genuinely heartbroken by the direction the owners are taking the club.

We are Manchester United, we are supposed to be the bellwether by which all other english clubs follow. Instead we're lost in a sea of fog blindly heading for an iceberg with a captain who has lost all perspective.

I’m raging too. I’ve been a fan for 20 years and I’m incredibly anxious about losing one the most beloved things I hold so dear.
 
Smaller teams had a chance to qualify to CL. Leicester and West Ham have a chance to qualify to CL this season. Big teams could miss on CL. United, Arsenal, Chelsea, Spurs and Liverpool all failed to qualify to CL several times before.

Smaller market teams play in smaller market leagues. They have to qualify for the CL even as champion. And big leagues and clubs are pushing for more. 19 out of 32 came frome the 5 Top leages. 8 nations had 1 team in the competition, England, Spain, Germany and Italy had 4 teams (16 out of 32), Russia and France 3 teams each and Ukraine 2 teams. So the big markets earn most of the money and the gap grows. Now 12 big teams try to build a wall of money to protect their status, thats nothing new. The only difference is, they do not want to share the money with the UEFA.
 
Interesting interview from Perez.

He's obviously right on one point, far too much filler in the champions league and the new format is even worse.

The CL with only top league teams in it like the super League, but with Merit based qualifications is the way to go.

Agreed except 90% of his statement is about money and how the pandemic has affected them.
 
I can see both sides of the argument. This Super league stinks of greed. But I can also see the points others made that UEFA and FIFA are corrupt bastards too.

So I'll reserve judgment until we see how all of this pans out.
No one is saying that Uefa or Fifa are angels. But this is bigger than everything. We all agree that the CL has become a bit of an issue, but that is not really the point here. It is also not the reason why so many top clubs have severe financial problems or that the owner want to squeeze more money out of their "investment"
 
Could you imagine how much enjoyment we as fans would have sitting around mid table in a super league with no relegation, no top 4 battle, no champions league, playing reserves in the PL at the weekend.

The fun will be gone.

You think Ole would play the reserves in the PL?

Emotions are running high and all that and I can understand many of the arguments contra the ESL. But that's not going to happen. I'm sure our manager will try and win every competition he is in
 
Yeah we do care. The european cup is massive. Some of my most memeorable european nights and worse have been the european cup finals we have won and lost.

Converting their european cups to ESL trophies is embarrassing but it Perez. Apparently last night he was quoted as saying "if the younger generation find a football match too lon to watch, we will look at making football matches shorter". He's lost touch with reality. He's up for re-election soon right? Hope madrid fans vote him out.
Of course. I cherish all those nights and fecking hate loses in Rome and our tie vs Madrid in 2013. The pain and the joy make it all worth watching.
 
Great to see this sort of solidarity between the supporters of these clubs. We have all been shafted.

Hope they can keep focused.

All it will take is one "what the feck are Spurs doing here" or "Chelsea started all this with Roman" or "Man United are leading this" and the tribalism will take over!
 
A someone who has already drifted somewhat away from the sport, if it does happen, then I'm out for good. I'll find something else to do as a hobby.
 
Anybody who disagrees with you is a disgrace? You just showed a lot of maturity by profiling people you know nothing about. Calm the feck down and have a logical discussion.
He’s right. What true fan of football would want this? Non competitive league for the now shit rich boys, woop.
 
Our EPL team on a weekend for a league that means nothing going forwards

Grant
Williams Jones Tuanzebe Dalot
Garner McTom Perriera
Linz Martial James
Exactly. It would render PL useless as long as we could scratch 40 points somehow. Domestic football would be DEAD.
 
You think Ole would play the reserves in the PL?

Emotions are running high and all that and I can understand many of the arguments contra the ESL. But that's not going to happen. I'm sure our manager will try and win every competition he is in
course we would. Makes sense to roll out the first team for a game on a weekend that means jack shit, with not so much prize money at stake now compared to a midweek match in san diego worth much more. EPL will become what the Carling cup is
 
This entire forum goes into meltdown every summer when we fail to sign the shiniest toys. Rumours of who we will sign generate more interest than some of the games we play. My teenage brother and his mates only watch the last 20 mins of games if they’re still close - otherwise they play Xbox. Football viewership and the way people consume media is completely changing - unfortunately Blatter isn’t really wrong about that.
 
Exactly. It would render PL useless as long as we could scratch 40 points somehow. Domestic football would be DEAD.
Just think of the prize money in the EPL aswell. Do u think they would care if we finished 4th or 14th, if the EPL is not competitive for us and we are guranteed european football every season in the mafia league, they wont give a feck about the EPL. It will become the carling cup and as you said we just need to scratch 40 points.
 
Hope they can keep focused.

All it will take is one "what the feck are Spurs doing here" or "Chelsea started all this with Roman" or "Man United are leading this" and the tribalism will take over!
Easy for you to say! You’re the one that started this. ;)