That is a genuine worry.
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That is a genuine worry.
That is absolutely what will happen, I think I’m right in saying the Glazers have taken more money from our club than any other owner from any other club? I think anyway.
Dont think the Glazers would have an incentive for us to be bad all the time and end up last. But they wont invest for us to compete. If we finish midtable, thats enough for them i guess.
That what you think. There is no guaranteed. There is stopping from adding more privileged teams as the SL expand.
By Privileged teams, I meant those would get future guaranteed entry, same access to money, if even they're not the original founders. It's for the ESL interest, to eventually admit the like of Bayern for example to boost its reputation, and Bayern deserve the privilege since they're strong team capable of boosting the competition if they join.
I think this replaces big picture though. Its a CL alternative. No way they try and reshape English football after this.
Its eye opening how brainwashed we are towards a top 4 race, as if thats more important than the possibility of having 6 top sides going for the title and improving the quality of the league
It's good to see the resistance from fans, media, governments, NT-coaches, footballplayers and managers. This won't happen!
If it does now, the clubs that break out and join ESL deserves nothing and I hope the fans turn their backs on them.
If it does now, the clubs that break out and join ESL deserves nothing and I hope the fans turn their backs on them.
United and other big clubs need the domestic leagues to survive as well. They need to be able to win most weeks to attract fair weather fans, and this is not something that will happen in the Super League.
Why the hell do you keep saying that? A lot of people care.
UEFA own the rights to the pinnacle of European club competition. Most teams care very deeply about it. So profoundly that they took a stop and tried to break away from it to keep getting money, despite having absolutely no merit to being in this proposed league.
Not only that, they’ve had the temerity to convert their previous wins with UEFA, (if any, as there are 4 clubs whom never fecking won the competition before). The absolute state of their arrogance, Yet no one cares for it. I can guarantee you most football fans care. Even City fans whom apparently hate UEFA but then desperately want to win the bloody thing every season.
I voted "YES" for the ESL because:
1. I'm sick of VAR, the lack of consistency of English referees. I'm honestly tired of being frustrated with the lack of accountability with refereeing
2. I lost interest in watching Manutd games against the likes of Granada, Burnley, Cyrstal Palace, etc. I find myself always scrolling through Instagram during these small team games. During big games against the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea, however, I'm fully emotionally invested. And I like that feeling. So hopefully the ESL can bring back my passion for football
3. I'm sick of paying multiple telecommunications hundreds of dollars per month for sports coverage. The ESL can solve this issue by having its own network or partnering up with leading streaming companies such as Netflix, Hulu, or Disney. I do not mind for paying affordable streaming services. Currently, I'm subscribed to Netflix and Disney.
From a football fan perspective that does not reside in UK, I don't see any downside to the ESL. I notice that is a lot of talk of "English Pyramid", "Coaches jobs", "Stadium infrastructures investment", "UK tv rights", etc. Not to be insensitive, but none of those are a concern to global football fans that just want to watch the best players compete against each other in a convenient platform at bargain prices.
The stuff that excites me most about football:
1. Watching the best team which also means best players and managers competing against each other
2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc
I think the ESL can provide an outstanding product. I will probably receive backlash for this post. But this is my geniune opinion, and I cannot wait for football to be exciting again. I want to be emotionally invested week in and week out, and that can only happen if the best players in terms of skills and branding are pitted against each other.
1. I'm sick of VAR, the lack of consistency of English referees. I'm honestly tired of being frustrated with the lack of accountability with refereeing
2. I lost interest in watching Manutd games against the likes of Granada, Burnley, Cyrstal Palace, etc. I find myself always scrolling through Instagram during these small team games. During big games against the likes of City, Liverpool and Chelsea, however, I'm fully emotionally invested. And I like that feeling. So hopefully the ESL can bring back my passion for football
3. I'm sick of paying multiple telecommunications hundreds of dollars per month for sports coverage. The ESL can solve this issue by having its own network or partnering up with leading streaming companies such as Netflix, Hulu, or Disney. I do not mind for paying affordable streaming services. Currently, I'm subscribed to Netflix and Disney.
From a football fan perspective that does not reside in UK, I don't see any downside to the ESL. I notice that is a lot of talk of "English Pyramid", "Coaches jobs", "Stadium infrastructures investment", "UK tv rights", etc. Not to be insensitive, but none of those are a concern to global football fans that just want to watch the best players compete against each other in a convenient platform at bargain prices.
The stuff that excites me most about football:
1. Watching the best team which also means best players and managers competing against each other
2. Transfer market. Imagine trading Bruno Fernandes for Harry Kane. I know it sounds ridiculous, but I think that is what us younger fans want to see. Shocking and exciting transfers. Changing team dynamics, etc
I think the ESL can provide an outstanding product. I will probably receive backlash for this post. But this is my geniune opinion, and I cannot wait for football to be exciting again. I want to be emotionally invested week in and week out, and that can only happen if the best players in terms of skills and branding are pitted against each other.
The thing with Barcelona, and Real Madrid is that their president can be ousted, so they're pushed to fight to be the best. With Glazers, there is no power to stop them. Them taking of their best interest by pocketing the profit is natural,
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So is this happening?
Hear hear.
Who cares, we still get our invite to the big party right?
If the competition goes ahead in its current format, I don't really care what we do in it. The whole thing looks immensely boring.
These 14 other teams also have wage budgets that need all the TV money in full, especially after a year without fans. Burnley have just been put in debt by their new owners for instance.
Its purely down to money mate. Spurs are in the top 10 most valuable clubs in the world - that is the only reason they are there.
Watching football on tv should be free of charge. No tv money. Football to the people, also the poor. Caps should exist on transfer fees and agent fees. Investors should never be allowed to own more than 49% of a club, FFP strenghtened and the fans should be able to vote on certain matters. All this would get football back to what it was supposed to be. Maybe delusional to even say it, but in Utopia, this is paradise for all real football fans. And we would suddenly again have real competition, for all clubs, small and big - and loyal players the fans love, yet again. I would take that over todays primadonna stars any day.
I just can't see how 18 group phase games + KO phase of this ESL would fit with PL and the domestic cup.
The way Big Picture was proposed, to reduce the amount of domestic games down, it just conveniently help fit in the ESL. Just my 2 cents.
Does anyone think it's realistic that Chelsea, Real, Man City, Man United and Arsenal all get booted from the Champs League/Europa?
Could they let the team's finish but just without any prize money? Would punish the owners but not the fans.
Could they let the team's finish but just without any prize money? Would punish the owners but not the fans.
I mean that is true, the soccerball bonanza is far more exciting than gradually improving to the point we might be able to compete again.
I can't wait for the fireworks and cheerleaders.
Hello Ed, you should try to be more discrete.
Could you imagine how much enjoyment we as fans would have sitting around mid table in a super league with no relegation, no top 4 battle, no champions league, playing reserves in the PL at the weekend.
The fun will be gone.
The fun will be gone.
Would make sense morally, but I'd expect it to be an absolute legal minefield.
This attacks the entirety of the European football pyramid, not just English football.
No club from Scandinavia will ever have a chance to make it into that Super League. If they somehow do achieve to get there, they're there for 1 season and get so much money that their domestic league can be binned for the next 5 years.
This post could only get more American if you somehow snuck in a couple of "they won't take my guns!" in there.
Of course. That’s the appeal to the yank owners. Guaranteed income that is not performance related and no risk of missing out after a bad season. Sit back and watch the money roll in. Zero incentive to actually try and win anything. Not if doing so will eat into their bottom line.
City and Chelsea , who are in this for prestige rather than profits, will be wiping the floor with the other British teams for the foreseeable future.
I go back and forth.
The fact that Uefa could not even uphold City's ban makes me think it is unlikely at this point.
The problem is these people are selfish and openly don’t give a shit about the teams they don’t support
I honestly find this point of view offensive.
Hear hear.
Haven't signed for anything?
This is it yeah, it's infuriating yet sadly not surprising. Individualism at it's worst.
Expulsion from next season is the most likely scenario IMO. I really don’t see where there are no reprimands for what just
happened.
Yeah we do care. The european cup is massive. Some of my most memeorable european nights and worse have been the european cup finals we have won and lost.
Converting their european cups to ESL trophies is embarrassing but it Perez. Apparently last night he was quoted as saying "if the younger generation find a football match too lon to watch, we will look at making football matches shorter". He's lost touch with reality. He's up for re-election soon right? Hope madrid fans vote him out.
You can call UEFA and the media hypocrites all you want but its not about them. I don't give a single shit about any of them and I am outraged by this bullshit, it isn't driven by some UEFA narrative at all. It is some greedy billionaires attempting to turn European Football into the NFL to become richer at the expense of everyone else. I dont care if UEFA goes bust and needs to be replaced but it cannot be replaced by some closed league to an entitled few because they happen to be rich.
As Mr. Burns from The Simpsons would put it:
Homer: You know, Mr. Burns, you're the richest guy I know. Way richer than Lenny.
Mr. Burns: Oh, yes. But I'd trade it all for a little more.
Homer: You know, Mr. Burns, you're the richest guy I know. Way richer than Lenny.
Mr. Burns: Oh, yes. But I'd trade it all for a little more.
Interesting interview from Perez.
He's obviously right on one point, far too much filler in the champions league and the new format is even worse.
The CL with only top league teams in it like the super League, but with Merit based qualifications is the way to go.
He's obviously right on one point, far too much filler in the champions league and the new format is even worse.
The CL with only top league teams in it like the super League, but with Merit based qualifications is the way to go.
I suspect there are many, many millions like you that don't live on the European continent that feel the same way which is the market the ESL wants to tap in to.
I think there is plenty of concern around COVID baked in to. If COVID rumbles on, gate receipts don't matter so much if millions around the world are paying subscription services to watch the big teams.
Just watched interview with Perez. He says that legally no chance for that.