Oil clubs are welcome as long as they sign up to basically a new version of ffp controlled by the big clubs.
I never said I disagree with the sentiment of his message. Just that it's rich coming from someone employed by PSG.
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Oil clubs are welcome as long as they sign up to basically a new version of ffp controlled by the big clubs.
I never said I disagree with the sentiment of his message. Just that it's rich coming from someone employed by PSG.
It would be great if one of our big players said they would not play for the club again - and actually go through with it.
See how long your €350m lasts Glazer you cnut when €500m worth of players walk out the door.
Please please let this happen.
See how long your €350m lasts Glazer you cnut when €500m worth of players walk out the door.
Please please let this happen.
The people convincing themselves this is a good idea, to see the best of the best play each other every week, how it will be good for the game....you realise this is down solely to Billionaires being upset their toy can miss out on the Champions League with a bad season and the revenue impact of that yes? This is happening for no other reason than that. A competition they can't miss out on ever so require less investment but generates more revenue for the owners. That is what you are championing at the expense of all other teams and leagues. Trying to convince yourself it is about literally anything other than that is a delusion.
Less than a day before the oil clubs are blamed for this mess
Ceferin: "These so-called big clubs were not always big clubs. Juventus were in Serie B and United before Sir Alex Ferguson was I don't know where"
Feck this guy
The comparison with Nba is hardly the same. Big market teams has generally most chance to be successful but not everytime. If managed properly, every NBA team has a chance to be champions. Just like Ceferin put, clubs like Arsenal, United, Milan etc. wants this simply because they had to be properly managed to be successful and their money machine keep working. Yet, clubs like Sevilla, Atalanta etc has done everything right and still get punished. That's why I said who determines which club can attend.
I don't know the reaction of Asians and Americans. Sooner than later, this project is prone to fail. Especially with this many backlash.
Then you'll complain that we aren't winning anything and we're mid-table fodder for 12 years.
Don't cut off your nose to spite your face.
It doesn't matter what argument you make for the Super League. You can conjure up a billion pros, but if the one con is that 12-15 teams permanently have access to a competition that gives them a financial advantage over every other team in existence, all of your pros are compeletely null and void. It's financial doping wrapped in legal clothing.
What happens when a "founding" team comes 20th and a non-founding team places ahead of them? The founding team remains and the non-founding team loses their place. How can anyone not see this issue?
There is no issue, it's a closed league, there is no relegation, the other teams are guests so even if one of the guest finishes last as long as they bring the dough, they will most likely not be replaced. Let alone founders.
He needs to focus his criticism on the owners/executives, rather than the clubs themselves.
Not sure if you are a City for or not but the route of evil in all this is the money suckers who have taken our clubs and disrespected our history.
As a City fan you've had more success over the last ten years than any time in your history and that's paved the way for you to become one of the filthy twelve. Interesting to hear if the real City fans would be willing to give all that back to get their self respect back?
I saw a proposal where PSG would receive a bye to the final & Porto and Dortmund would be invited back to play a semi. I assume this would also effect us & Arsenal, leaving a Roma vs Villarreal EL final.
I won't be complaining about anything, because if this does go ahead and we join it I won't be watching or supporting.
This is turning into one big sh*t show. It's really hard to see where the different sides end up going from here. Though I highly doubt we are going to see some of the threats being thrown about actually materialise, and I'm sure both sides will eventually come to some form of understanding.
The most ridiculous false equivalency that keeps gettin repeated.
Ceferin is absolutely seething at the prospect of losing bucketloads of money. He's struggling to contain his emotions.
No one bothered to kick up much of a fuss when the Qatar World Cup was announced which was clearly a money deal. Where was this major concern when the likes of Blatter and Platini were accepting bribes.
Where was this major fuss when the TV money sky rocketed for the club's at the top end, or when the likes of United, PSG, City, Real Madrid etc have been spending hundreds of millions for years, while smaller clubs are suffering.
I don't see this major concern when Messi or Ronaldo or Neymar etc are on half a million quid a week while small local clubs are struggling financially.
Are they legally obligated to play out their contracts anyway? Normally, you do have the right to quit your job if you want to. I think it's UEFA/FIFA regulations that prevent players from doing that (as long as they want to play for someone else), not actual contract law.
Insert raging obese office worker throwing CRT monitor into next cubicle . GIF
With half of the 12 clubs at the moment being from England, just imagine a couple of issues.
1. One English club is scheduled to play the same English club during midweek in the ESL and on Saturday in the PL. Which are you going to be more likely to watch.
2. An English club is scheduled to play away during midweek against a ESL club, not Barcelona for example. But it is pushing to win the PL and playing one of their rivals on the Saturday. So it sends out a much weakened ESL side in midweek.
Because of the fixed status of the ESL, it is not going to take long for it to become as relevant as the Europa League.
From what I understand, it is a flawed concept.
1. One English club is scheduled to play the same English club during midweek in the ESL and on Saturday in the PL. Which are you going to be more likely to watch.
2. An English club is scheduled to play away during midweek against a ESL club, not Barcelona for example. But it is pushing to win the PL and playing one of their rivals on the Saturday. So it sends out a much weakened ESL side in midweek.
Because of the fixed status of the ESL, it is not going to take long for it to become as relevant as the Europa League.
From what I understand, it is a flawed concept.
Well they died while travelling back from a European game that English football didnt want them playing in.
Its a bit of a reach
Yeah, i mean surely the players have all the power here, right. Obviously, without them, you haven't got your shitty little league. I get it, there's going to be more money. Players like money. But if the threat of expulsion from the World Cup and the Euros is real, then surely that takes precedence.
Yeah banning or relegating these clubs seems a bit cutting-off-your-nose-to-spite-your-face-y
I award you the best insight of the day for this brilliant summation (my award doesn't come with money though ).
Now we turn around and blame UEFA when the instigators have been the same from the beginning of time. Hence, why City and PSG (perhaps Monaco) gatecrashing at the table of European Oligarchy seems abhorrent to them.
Can we all step back and consider this mad race towards destruction?
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The owners are almost all powerful billionaires with powerful billionaire friends. Truth be told, If I was a businessman like Ceferin essentially I would be very careful about what I say because people should realize that we are talking about the serious big boys here not our usual "villains" like Woodward or Tebas.
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This still mystifies me. Every single friend of mine who actually pays extra to watch footy (Peacock+ for PL, Paramount+ for CL/EL, ESPN+ for Bund.) is 100% against this. I will not pay for whatever streaming service they sell their souls to and no one I know will either. There is just not going to be the demand here to pay even more for a weekday league, especially since the most fervant fans, the ones who would potentially pay, are dead set against this.
The only possibilities are that they have completely misread the room and their market in the States, they don't care about the US Market, or, as someone commented earlier, the end goal here is a weekend league. I don't think any of those options ends well for them.
Probably because they’ve got the World Cup in Qatar and don’t want to be stripped of it. PSG are not rejecting this for ethical reasons, make no mistake..
I agree with this so much, the fecking hypocrisy is everywhere and is sickening. People are fools if they can't see through FIFA, UEFA etc.
Already covered this today morning.
Let's say on a Wed evening Man Utd have a game against Barca and the winner of that will get top 4 of this superleage and get $ prize money, whatever amount is on offer which I imagine is high.
What do you think Man Utd will do if they have a premier league game a few days before, which is now worth a lot less because there will be no champions league places on the line. Will they a) go full strength for the integrity of the game or b) play a second string and place more emphasis on the midweek game.
Additionally plus we play a weakened team in the EPL to benefit us in a crunch came in the superleague, then what does that mean for clubs still in the EPL who are going for champions league places? Is it fair, is it ethical? From a sporting sense is it awful
These ESL clubs owners are putting themselves above UEFA. So unless Uefa goes after them with everything now there’ll be festering problems for years with players not showing up for Intl friendlies, etc. That’s an issue already but will become moreso if the ESL goes forward.
Agnelli and Ceferin, top 10 anime betrayals.
Yes, but the phrase 'better the devil you know' springs to mine with regards to this matter
In American teen shows/ movies they always had a recurring generic storyline of the popular jock asking out a perceived geeky and unattractive girl on a date, only to humiliate her when she shows up. Are Spurs not at all concerned this Is just a cruel ploy akin to that trope?.
By all indicators this has been a terrible rollout from a PR perspective. Has any player, ex-player, politician, official, fan, or fan group come out in support of this?
Oh dear. Face meet palm.
Thanks for making me aware of that embarrassing mistake. I'll go correct it!
Basic point here. This is a league for Big clubs, not a league for good clubs. It doesn't make any difference how bad Arsenal have been lately, because they are the 8th most valuable club in the world. And it doesn't make any difference how good Atalanta has been lately, because they're not on that list at all. Merit has nothing to with it, marketability has everything to do with it. That is the whole point of this initiative.
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Perhaps it's some long PR stance due to fan ownership and if this split fully happens they can join the ESL because "they have to". This Super League talk has been coming from Bayern and Germany for 20 years and they need others to break rank, like what is happening. The Juve head snake is probably been replaced by another from Bayern, this ESL is well crafted.
When they invest in PSG, I'm sure they know the ESL is down the line, it's a Ferrari driving around with Fiat Unos, ESL legitimatizes PSG and City and any other future billionaire lottery wins.
The owners, Ed? Do they count as officials?