European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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Sky :lol: Neville right now...

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Good but considering how this has all been cooked up on the other side you d think they probably have a counter to this somehow - that's the worrisome part. I hate that I'm rooting for UEFA and FIFA now but at least with those I know there are some folks with actual footie experience and love involved.
 
So we will now have a World Cup in Quatar with a lot of the best players missing and same for the Euros. As I said the players will be on the phone to their union reps asking for advice.
 
Awful awful,
Have to say those in favour should give their heads a wobble. Just have a look at the fecking scum behind this. Couldn't give a toss about the fans and yes UEFA/Fifa are corrupt to the core and deserve to be fecked up the arse but not like this.

It's the old "use snakes to fight mice" situation. The status quo (corruption, greed, schedule inflation) is shit, but this alternative manages to be even worse. What bizarre situation.
 
I guess they will be hoping to retain much of the TV audience in Europe/Asia that currently tunes in to the Premier League, el classico and the Champions League final stages. Anything they gain from the US will just be a bonus.

The main thing for these owners is doing away with relegation/qualification from top level football. With that gone, they don't have to worry about investing sufficiently to keep their sides competitive (or risk missing out on the big TV/sponsorship money) - instead they can now skim off the profits for themselves. That'll be the motivation for Arsenal, Spurs, Liverpool and United, anyway.

The fans who seem be getting behind this proposal badly need to read what you’ve written here.

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The clubs are destroying their own domestic leagues and that will cripple the divisions below them, it's not about good and evil it's about the degrees of the latter, what these clubs are doing is so self centered it's indefensible on any level and worse than UEFA.

I disagree that it's worse than UEFA.

The "solidarity grants" package for domestic competitions is up to 400 million euros. Which is a huge increase to what they currently receive from UEFA.

Whilst I don't really like the competitive part of it, UEFA has made their own bed for this by outgrowing themselves and going from being a controlling, independent organ concerned with the greater good of the game to a corrupt business entity concerned with lining their own pockets above anything.
 
They should start it with immediate effect

Sadly, I don't think that will work.

The most immediate effect would be to ruin FIFAs and UEFAs own tournaments, while to the breakout clubs it might even be considered beneficial, provided they're reasonably confident they won't lose many really, really top players over it.

Also, I don't see how it can actually be carried out. The players are under contract. How can they refuse to play for their clubs? And if they can't refuse to play for their clubs, how can you punish them for doing so? Is it even legally possible for them to walk away from their contracts? If not, it's not really their choice, is it. And after all, it's not their fault that the Super League was established.
 
Ah yes, so it isn't a leak then. Apologies thought it was. I still think its highly probable. Manchester, build us a new stadium or we will move to Athens who have a brand new stadium waiting for us.

Happens almost yearly in American sports.
Ha, definitely probable, I only asked as I was doubting I’d seen it right myself :)
 
Tariq Panja: Clubs will be worse off despite the bribe/handout from The Super League
I disagree that it's worse than UEFA.

The "solidarity grants" package for domestic competitions is up to 400 million euros. Which is a huge increase to what they currently receive from UEFA.

Whilst I don't really like the competitive part of it, UEFA has made their own bed for this by outgrowing themselves and going from being a controlling, independent organ concerned with the greater good of the game to a corrupt business entity concerned with lining their own pockets above anything.

 
When do the Manchester knicks play the Milan dolphins then?
 
And then you remember the next FIFA world cup is in Qatar and remember there is no good side here and the business side of the game is just depressing, no matter which way you look at it (Bundesliga excluded).
 
Here's what I don't get about all this. If the clubs are banking on a large American audience to help fund this it just isn't going to happen. Weekday games are in the middle of the work day and only the dedicated few are going to miss work or keep away from the score so they can watch it on reply. For goodness sakes, TBS/TNT backed out of showing the CL/EL last year because they were losing money. You now need to pay for something called Paramount+ to watch the games. The audience just won't be there.
Same with Asian audiences. They really are banking on Europe and also not being expelled from their own leagues.
 
UEFA should expunge the European history of all 12 clubs. All CLs and ELs won will be null and voided or given to other clubs.

That would make giving up your history for greed a new meaning.
 
The Independent Group for change is 'The Super League'

We are Chukka.
 
And then you remember the next FIFA world cup is in Qatar and remember there is no good side here and the business side of the game is just depressing, no matter which way you look at it (Bundesliga excluded).
I think, in conjunction with a lot of things, the slave labour used to build the stadiums in Qatar, the clear bribery at the centre of awarding a summer tournament to a country that hits 50 degrees was the beginning of the end for me.
 
Why does everyone think this will happen? It's a US style competition format, nothing else will change.
It is not a giant leap once this is in place and the billionaire owners of these clubs are literally the ones deciding the rules. NFL teams already play games in London. It is not a stretch to imagine United playing games abroad once this happens.
 
I'm really surprised that everyone is holding Bayern in good stead as if they are some footballing holier than thou entity.

This is the same Bayern that gobble up all the young talent from the teams below them and dominate the league year on year and have won the league 8 times in a row since 2013.

Some competitive league that is, no wonder they don't want to jeopardise that and play in a ESL which would take up much more time than a UCL and dampen their chances in the Bundesliga.
 
Calm down people. Football sold its soul a long time ago.

This is a negotiation and will end up in a newly reformatted Champions League.
 
Why does everyone think this will happen? It's a US style competition format, nothing else will change.
For now. If they wanna disrupt European football like this to maximize profits, you can't put it beyond them to relocate teams either and stuff like that. They're already showing they don't care one bit about the (local) fans.
 
Do i think it means we are more likely to sign Haaland? No! but I think it means we may actually have the money to sign Haaland, if he wanted to come here. People seem to completely ignore the effect the pandemic has had on football and are still having paddies when clubs don't spend 100's of millions on the latest flavour of the week.
No that’s only transfer muppets. I think most people know where we are at.
 
What options do the players have in this? Most will I assume chase the money, but for those who feel it is morally wrong, or may just not wamt all the change or worried about International honours are they contractually obliged to do as their employer says?
 
Fair play by Bayern and PSG to turn it down. Wonder why PSG declined.
 
I disagree that it's worse than UEFA.

The "solidarity grants" package for domestic competitions is up to 400 million euros. Which is a huge increase to what they currently receive from UEFA.

Whilst I don't really like the competitive part of it, UEFA has made their own bed for this by outgrowing themselves and going from being a controlling, independent organ concerned with the greater good of the game to a corrupt business entity concerned with lining their own pockets above anything.

How is it not worse? UEFA lining their pockets isn't hurting Brighton, Sasuollo, Celta Vigo etc.....the actions of these clubs is going to kill the leagues they are a part of, for no other reason than to make themselves richer, it's not going to benefit anyone but the leeches that own our clubs, but it will leave a wreckage of other clubs in it's wake.
 
Sadly, I don't think that will work.

The most immediate effect would be to ruin FIFAs and UEFAs own tournaments, while to the breakout clubs it might even be considered beneficial, provided they're reasonably confident they won't lose many really, really top players over it.

Also, I don't see how it can actually be carried out. The players are under contract. How can they refuse to play for their clubs? And if they can't refuse to play for their clubs, how can you punish them for doing so? Is it even legally possible for them to walk away from their contracts? If not, it's not really their choice, is it. And after all, it's not their fault that the Super League was established.

Nope, the immediate affect would be to force a confrontation between owners and players.

It is the players that have the actual power, without them, owners just have a bit of grass with seats around it.

You think Kane would walk away from the chance to be England's greatest ever goal scorer for money? He wants to beat Rooney's record. Heck, its feasible Rashford could eventually top Kane, would he give up that chance?

They and their agents will be seeking legal advice already.

Remember, players are unionised. They have a better chance of stopping this than anyone.