in what way arnt we a customer? we imports billions of billions of pounds worth of goods from eu buinneses, please enlighten me?
EU Referendum Results Thread | Leave have won, Cameron resigns
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33% Experts fault
33% EU's Fault
33% Immigrants Fault
33% Big Business / Reptilian Overlords Fault
Brexit Maths
It seems the Leave voters are stupid or racists, probably both.
In fact in this great world we live in we are all racists and more than likely stupid.
In fact in this great world we live in we are all racists and more than likely stupid.
I've explained this to you like 5 times but you refuse to acknowledge it.
It's normal for life expectancy to vary across age groups and obviously natural, even if counter-intuitive, that older people have higher life expectancy. It's actually the life expectancy of the younger age groups in that table that is almost certainly wrong, as it seems far too high.
I really think its mad, hindsight or not, to put historical decisions in the hands of stay at home moms and joe plumbers. I mean there are many people outraged that their morning shows were cancelled to cover the Brexit.
Until someone sends that letter to the EU under Article 50 then the UK remains in the EU, wonder how long they can drag it out
ive read each of your posts none of then explain how exactly the fact the EU is going to be fine suddenly having its biggest costumer/ consumer / trading partner collapse, without any consquences to them.
honestly if you have a decnt answer i would love to hear it, but you seem to be going agaisnt all the experts who are saying thier will be a recession across europe as well as here
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I was taught a different kind of maths to you.
im gonna go with months it will be the person who takes over from cameron who has to do it
If there was no fear/hate it would make perfect sense to have a United States of Europe.
Cameron wont send it I don't think so probably depends on who the next leader is... will they want to start negotiations in the background and try to agree a framework for things and possibly let the French and German elections go past before starting the formal process (if so this could well be late 2017 early 2018 before the two years starts (taking us very close to the next UK general election - presuming the 2 years was achievable)
Or will they feel they have to be seen to do it straight away to be enacting the will of the referendum (but possibly going in to negotiations in a very tough climate i.e. the French / Germans wont want to make any concessions otherwise their own frexit gerexit folks will be pushing for concessions / referendums as well)
Sensible approach 2018 and make the next election almost a second referendum on accepting whats on offer - probable approach is boris writing a letter (in crayon) to start atricle 50 on his first day as PM before jetting off and bumbling around Europe taking about frogs and krauts
You need to stop thinking that 'the EU' receives custom from us. The EU is not one institution. We do not ship to 'The EU'. We do not order from 'The EU'. This is not how it works. Please understand this.
This is how it works.
The EU is made up of countries A, B, C, D, E and F.
We do business with countries A, C and F. We do no business with B, D and E.
Countries A, C and F are gutted that we left. Countries B, D and E are unaffected.
This is how it works. The EU cannot say shit about the business they lose. They lost no business at all. Countries A, C and F lost business. Countries A, C and F would love to agree a trade deal with us to replace that business (about 10% of their yearly exports) but all the rest of the countries in the EU don't care. They get nothing from us. They lose nothing from us. But here's the kicker, they still have a vote in whether our trade deal goes through.
So you need to stop saying that 'the EU' loses a tonne of business from us. No it doesn't. A few countries in the EU lose business with us, the rest lose shit.
Now when it comes to negotiating a trade deal, every country has to vote yes. We go to the EU and we say 'look guys, we need to replace 45% of our exports. Please help us out'. Countries B, D and E say 'what's in it for us? We don't care. We haven't lost anything by you leaving.' This notion that 'the EU' will be crippled by us leaving just isn't true. First of all a lot of them don't even trade with us, and secondly the amount that the ones who do actually trade with us contribute, is very small because the huge amount you think we import from the EU is actually much smaller amounts split between a lot of countries. It does not matter if France are distraught that they lost a tonne of business from us. They need to convince 26 other countries to vote yes to a deal that hasn't affected them. This is where we are forced to agree to things we don't want, because we have to replace a lot more than they lost, and we need to give an incentive to the countries we don't currently trade with.
Because we do not trade with the EU. We trade with countries in the EU. The EU is an umbrella, not one entity. It's really not that complicated.
A simple example - in a basic world imagine all of our imports are from one country, say Germany. But our exports are to 3 countries, say France, Germany and Italy.
Germany? Sure it's in their interest to make a deal with us.
France and Italy? They couldn't give a shit. They could tag on the tariffs and we would lose out because we need to sell to them. If they can't buy from us they go elsewhere.
Also you're missing another fundamental point. Have you considered that certain countries only took our exports because being in the free trade area made our prices competitive. Now that we are out who is to say they can't find another country in the EU to buy the goods from now that it'd be cheaper.
Also, a final fundamental to try and explain again. Imagine Our 23bn imports come from 10 countries. That's 2.3bn pee country. Do you honestly think they couldn't handle that loss? Also what makes you think they can't find other customers?
We are one country, importing to and exporting from 27. Therefore there gains and losses are split between 27 presuming equality between them, whereas we feel the full force of the gains and losses.
It's simple, basic economics.
Its in the EU interest to have the enemy within out as soon as possible
Probably will be, but what if they never send it,they don't have to, civil unrest in the streets, probably the longer it goes on the more unrest there will be amongst the Leavers- "why hasn't it been sent yet"
Well 1.3 million or thereabouts more people saw enough reason to vote leave over remain too, I'm still overjoyed about the outcome and people should respect that. People are panicking and acting like the UK is going to crash and burn. It won't at all.
Well explained. However just to play devils advocate a bit, is it factually correct that all the countries must approve it? If we agree a deal with the whole of the EU sure, but is it not a possibility we agree with individual nations, such as Germany for example? I don't know the answer to that tbh.
In any case we still lose out because I'd put money on the fact we export to more countries than we import from and it's only be the ones we import from that would care.
Fair enough you are overjoyed but at least 48% of the country aren't happy with the result and "people should respect that". Given the immediate reaction from an economic point of view, people panicking is probably fair enough. Not all of us have faith.
There's nothing the Caf loves more than a good meltdown.
there will be some adjustments...pain. But no crash and burn.
Yes but only we can start the process (but I would expect them to push to get it wrapped up within the 2 year framework that's allowed which will inevitably lead to a messy deal all round)
Think you'll find the economy and the political landscape is in meltdown as well.
This all has a very Star Wars: Revenge of the Sith vibe about it.
The whole point of the EU is that the continent can get a better deal by working together. And that's achieved by giving everyone a veto, so no law passes without consent from every countries officials.
More ageist crap. What is old and how long until they die please? Are you suggesting that anyone with say, less than a certain amount of time to live, should vote entirely on the basis that other people with a different opinion are going to live longer? Are they also not going to "live with it"? Does the fact that they have less time to live make their voice any less valid?
Not forgetting the inherent assumption in your statement that the "old" (whoever they are) have made a mistake.
True with elections coming up in France and Germany they are not going to be too concerned about the UK - unless Boris can interest them in his chocolate cake.
Unless they vote you out. As said no one likes having deserters around.
The irony of course is by claiming everything will not crash and burn, you're speculating just as wildly as people who do think it'll crash and burn.
Nobody knows what the future holds now, and people will voice their concerns.
Of course not. And it's a lazy as generalizing that the older voter vote is not as valid because they ain't got much time left.
i understand what your saying.... but you dont think the fact that the few countrys (A C and F ) lose so many billions of pound in business, its knock gonna have affect across EU? i can understand that countrys stoping the trade deal, i don't undertsand how that amount of money suddenly leaving the eu market isn't going to affect other countrys?
Prime Minister Boris: "First, the bad news - there's no food left; now, the good news - we've won the exclusive contract for bicycle clips from Sparta."
The thread on The Student Room was almost 50-50. So its probably not fair laying off the entire blame on the old farts.
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Precisely but that doesn't fit in with the 85-15% poll the Caf ran so it's all lies! 50% of the student room is obviously made up of bigoted and racist mature students.
Cornwall voted against the EU but then expects to keep EU funding. Seriously can feck off.
http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry...-will-not-be-worse-off-following-brexit-vote/
http://www.itv.com/news/westcountry...-will-not-be-worse-off-following-brexit-vote/
Yeah I realise people won't be happy, if I was voting remain then I'm sure I would feel annoyed, worried and anxious. At the end of the day though a vote is a vote and the majority have spoken. If you voted remain then I'm certainly not going to knock people for speaking their mind or voicing their concerns.