They did but I resent this referendum. I'm not a huge fan of democracy and I don't see how it was sensible to put such a complex vote to popular opinion.
EU Referendum Results Thread | Leave have won, Cameron resigns
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Dare I ask how the Pound Sterling is doing?
Not worse than Raheem if that's any consolation.
To be fair, they have interviewed a few people that have said the same "if I had a chance again, I'd vote remain".... mental.
We have a minimum wage and nothing stops this Government from dictating terms under which jobs must be offered, for example banning or reforming zero hour contracts
That's a problem for the UK government and the unions, not Europe... obviously.
How the hell do people confuse this with Europe @Dr. Funkenstein
And the north east gets a lot of help. EU funds are non political, they are spent of the basis of need, national governments will spend most where it will win them most votes
Maybe not such great timing to have thousands of Remain voters out of the country supporting British teams in Europe.
Hearing about our foreign citizens voting out for immigration reasons just boils my piss. Selfish fecking wankers.
And people earning decent wages and spending them in the UK instead of sending them to Poland will lead to even more jobs.
Ironically, the Tories and the EU are on the same side, the side of the haves. But on the continent minimum wages don't offer protection, because the Eastern European builders are on the bottom of a chain of subcontracters, and yes, they put homegrown builders out of their job too, even if they take pay cuts. The same with truck drivers. The big part of this immigration is just because company's can save 10 euro's an hour. All over Europe Europeans are living away from their loved ones, sharing a room with other cheap workers in a country they don't feel at home just because of the EU dogma of freedom of employment and difference in living costs. That isn't making anybody happier but a few shareholders and other haves who can save a 20 pounds on the plumber's bill and raise the rents of his real estate investments.
Let's not be romantic about it, of course there's also immigration motivated by the right reasons, but the main part is just about squeezing more work out of people for less costs.
You mean all these Brits who are chomping off the bit to get off their backsides, stop taking far too much drugs, stop drinking far too much and find a job? Yeah, right....
So if we're going to implement a points based system for immigration, can we implement a points based benefits system?
http://www.standard.co.uk/news/poli...orough-breakdown-of-brexit-poll-a3279731.html
When you look at the London figures it isn't quite as simple as Remain sweeping the board. Five borough backed Leave, while others such as Hounslow, Harrow and Enfield, had relatively small margins for Remain.
When you look at the London figures it isn't quite as simple as Remain sweeping the board. Five borough backed Leave, while others such as Hounslow, Harrow and Enfield, had relatively small margins for Remain.
Indeed. It still hurts though.
As it does in Brighton. We're an island of young lefty hippies surrounded by right wing older folk.
Definitely a case of voter's beer goggles for a lot of the Leave crowd.
Did the Mail and Sun help swing the UK towards Brexit?:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/24/mail-sun-uk-brexit-newspapers
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2016/jun/24/mail-sun-uk-brexit-newspapers
It really is a special kind of selfishness. Kind of like wanting to close down a hospital for new patients, indefinitely, after you've just been admitted.
What I find interesting is that life expentancy is 89 for people who are 73 now which cannot be quite right.
Heard a lot of ''it was different when we came over'' shite before the referendum.
Typical haves rhetoric again. Just blame the individual for the fact there aren't enough jobs, like the problem of unemployment would be solved if every unemployed would get off his backside. I'm not buying that.
Why can't you just admit that mass immigration from countries with much lower living costst tends to lower the price of labour and lower the availability of jobs? It's just very basic economics of supplie and demand, wishful thinking and putting the blame on individuals won't change that.
Higher education used to come free without debt burden.
That's just wrong! The guy probably doesn't have any German ancestry at all!
Dont forget that the eu is a big market for uk as well... Now you'll have to pay tarrifs to trade with everyone.
Just because you can negotiate it doesnt mean you'll get a better deal. The uk doesnt have the same leverage now that they're but a big island
The eu will have the last laugh ransacking the uk assets when they tumble in flame.
At the end of the day you're just a big nation, you can't fight the tide of the world without friends
Just because you can negotiate it doesnt mean you'll get a better deal. The uk doesnt have the same leverage now that they're but a big island
The eu will have the last laugh ransacking the uk assets when they tumble in flame.
At the end of the day you're just a big nation, you can't fight the tide of the world without friends
But your business world flourishes. Your big company makes profit in turns paying tax for the lazy bump.
Without demand there'll be no jobs. Before you're competing with immigrants, now you're competing for scraps with your fellow countrymen.
Without the eu majority of brits exodus working in the eu will flock back to mother england and grab whaeever left of your now smaller cake
Because Rams is the same age as me and grew up in the same area with the grandparents of the Jeremy Kyle shows cast and audience. We went to school with kids who saw no point in education because they had no need to work, once they had a kid they'd get a council house just like their parents and their grandparents who had never worked an honest day in their lives. We saw them stop disrupting our lessons as they were invariably kicked out of school or had left to have kids of their own by the age of 14 and by the time we got round to having 1 or 2 kids of our own at age 30+ our former schoolmates were already grandparents themselves many times over.
The areas with massive joblessness lost out to Thatcher's decimation of our industry and successive governments have followed her lead in failing to protect our industries from closure and dooming entire towns to decades of mass unemployment. None of those people lost their jobs to immigrants however, they lost their industries to governmental disdain, often whilst the EU was fighting unsuccessfully to protect them and in the case of many in heavy industries eventually offering them new lives and opportunities on the continent or temporary project based jobs where they sent the money back to the UK from places like Germany in the same way you object to Polish or Romanians doing now.
I've just had an offer on a house accepted... should I back out? Mind you the house was on a good deal as it was a house re-possessed by the bank...
Hasn't their raison d'etre just evaporated?
On behalf of the rest of the world: WHAT DID YOU DO?!!!
Seriously though, if nothing else this should prompt a real discussion about the disenfranchised majority. It's easy to sit from a position of education and pass judgement on folks who don't want to listen to experts or facts, but a more constructive thing to do would be to try and understand why they're so disillusioned as to go that far. I'm genuinely curious, why Leave?
Seriously though, if nothing else this should prompt a real discussion about the disenfranchised majority. It's easy to sit from a position of education and pass judgement on folks who don't want to listen to experts or facts, but a more constructive thing to do would be to try and understand why they're so disillusioned as to go that far. I'm genuinely curious, why Leave?
Less fees. How much would the bank have made in fees?
Those that matured before the Thatcher "ME!" generation will see beyond their own self-interest.
No, business likes cheap labour, but it doesn't make it flourish. Businesses paying taxes is also a bit of an issue lately, and profits tend to end up in some people's savings, while if that money goes to people with smaller incomes, they spend most of it which spurs the economy.
No, it's not the same way. It's different because this is not about immigrations because one country needs welders and the other country has welders, this is immigration because one country is rich and has a high cost of living, while the other country is poor and cheap. What's the same is just the individual immigrant trying to make his life better and sacrificing a lot in the process.
There's just no point in blaming individuals for the general problem of unemployment. It's the haves marketing unemployment as a personal problem of the unemployed, because unemployment brings down labour costs and is good for short term RoI. It's not like the haves and their political representatives have done everything to end unemployment, but they failed. Unemployement exists because it is wanted and mass immigration from poor countries is a way of keeping it. It has always been a big part of Thatcherism, Reagonomics and the EU certainly is Thatcherist and Reagonomic.
Well yeah! You'd expect a Remain vote from a bunch of trees.
William Wallace and all those Picts would be turning in their graves!
Well i can imagine some of that, as my thoughts were in a very similar place for few hours after that exit poll. And arguably, this result is an extension of what brought Corbyn to the leadership last year. Certainly, Britain was strongly Eurosceptic, but we are also part of a pattern of events.
You are in a great place though, ideal for enjoying this weather today. The spirit of Brighton transcends politics as i'm sure you know.
The people being interviewed on the news...
My god...
My god...
Clearly they are the men and women to lead this brave new Britain to greatness.