That was so fecking unbelievably bad that sacking him now should be the only option.
ETH Out Thread
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Tuchel time?
If Ineos can’t sack him soon I’d suggest they have serious problems too. Some things cannot be acceptable.
I think you can’t have performances like that and expect to keep your job. This is just going on and on with no real change.
As long as it's not Southgate, anyone will do.
2 years, 2 trophies.
Respect, respect!
Respect, respect!
How much will it cost? Can they actually afford it considering how tight the summer window was?
Oh yeah. We just gave him a new contract on the back of last years performance. I forgot.
It's just got a couple more months left. The cost of terminating his contract is not prohibitive.
Yes. Because it no. Then what is the justification for no.
A good friend of mine keeps saying that Jürgen Klopp should be appreciated.
Have to admit I hadn't thought of that. But have to say that he is one of the few who could turn this nightmare around.
He's arguably overseen one of the most disastrous tenures in Premier League history when you consider the resources at his disposal.
Under OGS we regularly won games three, four or five nil and we set a record for games unbeaten away. Under Jose we finished 2nd. Even van Gaal had us well-drilled and some of our performances against Liverpool and City were better than anything I'd seen under SAF.
There's no real positives for EtH in the league. It's been new low after new low.
Under OGS we regularly won games three, four or five nil and we set a record for games unbeaten away. Under Jose we finished 2nd. Even van Gaal had us well-drilled and some of our performances against Liverpool and City were better than anything I'd seen under SAF.
There's no real positives for EtH in the league. It's been new low after new low.
Someone should do a parody on Cina's Van Gaal sacked thread...
He only just signed a contact extension, didn't he? You're not sacking him anytime soon realistically.
The red card yesterday kinda lets him off.
The red card yesterday kinda lets him off.
Give it to Ruud till the end of the season..
I’ve stuck by Ten Haag until now in the hope he could turn things around, especially given the extenuating circumstances of last seasons injury fiasco.
But there comes a time (and I’ve reached that time) you need to accept that he might not be the man for the job. I don’t see how he recovers from this woeful form.
And more than anything else I’m not expecting a title challenge I just want to not be the football meme. I as a fan and my team have been the focus of ridicule pretty much since Fergie left. Haven’t we paid our pennance yet?
But there comes a time (and I’ve reached that time) you need to accept that he might not be the man for the job. I don’t see how he recovers from this woeful form.
And more than anything else I’m not expecting a title challenge I just want to not be the football meme. I as a fan and my team have been the focus of ridicule pretty much since Fergie left. Haven’t we paid our pennance yet?
The 2 cup wins kept him afloat but I think that was just down to pure chance rather than planning or competence.
We deserve what we are being served considering our last PL campaign. We expected miracles, there is no such thing.
They won't sack him yet, he has new staff onboard so that cost is also a factor.
It costs a lot of money to sack him and then replace all the staff when they appoint someone else.
It costs a lot of money to sack him and then replace all the staff when they appoint someone else.
Stick him on gardening leave so we won’t take a big financial hit straight away then if he gets another job he forfeits the rest of the contract he’s owed.
Get rid. Set the no nonsense tone immediately.
Like we did last season after finishing 8th, eh?
You don’t have to repeat mistakes. That’s literally how one improves.
The xG-numbers from understat: 0,60 vs. 5,41 suggests you're on to something here.
Too bad we can't play League One teams every week, unless we keep ETH a couple of seasons more, that is.
Top 4
Yes you make a very valid point.
Maybe as a manager he's been found out and the players know it.
That target is nearly out of reach now. Unbelievable start to the season.
Nah we just activated the extra year on his deal. Didn't give him an extension or a new deal. So shouldn't really have much more bearing as it's only an extra 12 months.
While I'd normally agree with the red argument, we were getting absolutely battered and turning in one of the worst performances I've ever seen from us before that. If that red is genuinely a reason the hierarchy are delaying a decision because they believe that had a serious consequence on the game, they really are clueless.
It’s getting to the point where I’d almost consider taking Southgate.
That’s how bad it is under ETH
That’s how bad it is under ETH
Thats not how objectivity works. You are talking about hindsight. Applying current knowledge to the past makes no sense when trying to decide what the right decision was at that point.
That's the boat I am on as well. But I can't help but think about 3 years ago when we got hammered by City, Pool and Watford leading to Ole's goodbyes and how this is so similar ONCE AGAIN with arguably a completely different squad?
Not defending EtH at all, but how can it be so ridiculously similar with such a completely different set of players.
The knowledge we have now is no different to the knowledge we had at the end of last season. Stating he should've been sacked then doesn't require any hindsight now.
How much is it costing us by sticking with a manager that's going nowhere. Pissing away the season and it's not even October...
He’s also got multiple players that worked with him before
Onana
Maz
DeLigt
Martinez
Eriksen (trained with Ajax when he was let go by inter)
Anthony
They all know his systems already. Why is he struggling to get his ideas across, or do the players just think like us that it’s a load of bollox that is going nowhere?
There's no way in hell Klopp would come to us, even for mega bucks.
Tuchel is the obvious one, available, managed big clubs before. Won the CL etc
Southgate is not ideal for his style of play, but at least he has a style that would work to some extent, over whatever this is ETH has got us doing.
Potter would be an interesting one, took Chelsea at the wrong time, impossible trying to make 200 new players gel and get instant results.
Thomas Frank is a name I keep hearing mentioned. Wouldn't be the worst decision in the world. I do think we should go for someone who has managed in the PL and even better currently managing. Knows the teams inside out, expectations etc.
Don't think it's quite the right time for McKenna, really want to see how his Ipswich journey ends too without us ruining him.
Ineos have a big job on their hands.
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I think it's the latter. Those players who really played for him experienced steamrolling weaker teams (especially in the Netherlands, but also several teams in the CL - Ajax truly had an amazing squad at the time) using his system, but they also already then experienced how his ideas don't work at the absolute highest level as proven against stronger opposition in the CL.
Problem is, what was an exception for Ajax is daily business in the PL and EtH sadly hasn't evolved to find answers to that. I'm sure (most of) the players know this by now.
Kiss the baldy goodbye and tell him to walk out the door and to not let the door hit his baldy that you've just kissed.
Honestly I think the players can't handle the badge on their chest, some embrace it and kick on, others it weighs them down and they sink. Sadly I think a lot of the squad are weighed down with expectations and can't rise to the challenge. If a manager knows that is happening he is powerless to turn that around.
I hate this feeling when you want your team to lose just to get rid of an inept manager. I’m sure he’ll somehow manage to win one of the next two coming games and therefore stay safe for another month. If at least he was a tad bit likeable you could cheer for the team.
I suspected we'd want to reach the international break before making a decision, looks like we're going to. People are angry and just want to punish ETH by sacking him now, but we're probably getting ready to travel to Portugal tomorrow and then have another game on Sunday. Its an awkward moment for the wheels to come off. This doesn't feel like a Mourinho situation where the dressing room is so toxic that there will be a huge uplift of energy as soon as he goes. Quite simply, I don't think we're any more likely to win the next two games by dumping this mess on Ruud's plate and asking him to sort it out. So there's little lost by waiting til the break and deciding then.