Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

I’m now approaching “don’t look into the core” levels with this now. Is this going to happen? Are ANY of these tweets reliable?
 
Any Ajax supporters here? who are the players that Ten Hag would want to keep from the current squad?
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I was just going to say that. They nearly won the league before Klopp. And he was an appointment that built on the previous regime rather than being a shift. We haven't challenged let alone come close to winning in 9 years. People love putting it all on individuals and of course hiring a quality manager can change a lot. But we have have be fair to Liverpools owners too - they have been getting a lot right. With Rodgers they played fantastic football before things went wrong and under Klopp their transfer committee has worked wonders (while Klopp has coached excellently too of course). I think as much as they are happy / lucky to have him, Klopp has also picked well as Liverpool are very well run.
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The Liverpool board are actually no better than Utd. It’s one of the biggest myths going really. They got extremely lucky to have landed Klopp!
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
The Liverpool board are actually no better than Utd. It’s one of the biggest myths going really. They got extremely lucky to have landed Klopp!
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They can't be as bad as our board. They played some brilliant football under Rodgers and now they're doing it again with Klopp. We're run so badly I doubt we'd even fluke our way to that level of football once, let alone twice
 
So some players feel ETH is an underwhelming signing. Next they will say they are unimpressed and down the tool.
 
Giggsyking said:
Any Ajax supporters here? who are the players that Ten Hag would want to keep from the current squad?
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Knowing Ten Hags signing history, he'll end up wanting Klaiber, Labyad and Haller. :lol:

Ten Hag should stay away from signing players.
 
AndySmith1990 said:
They can't be as bad as our board. They played some brilliant football under Rodgers and now they're doing it again with Klopp. We're run so badly I doubt we'd even fluke our way to that level of football once, let alone twice
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If anything they were considered even worse before Klopp. They don’t spend any money except from resales unlike the Glaziers who despite popular narrative have spent a feck tonne. Now they have clearly had some incompetent people in important positions (cough Woodward) but Liverpool really are no different. They just happened to get the best manager in the world, if Utd do that and stick with them we will win things.
 
Tavern in the town said:
They hired a good manager which is one more than our board have ever hired.
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Even the most incompetent boards are capable of hiring the right man every so often. The real interesting thing will be to see what happens after Klopp, I think there’s a good chance they mess it up as they are every bit as clueless as ours.
 
TrustInJanuzaj said:
If anything they were considered even worse before Klopp. They don’t spend any money except from resales unlike the Glaziers who despite popular narrative have spent a feck tonne. Now they have clearly had some incompetent people in important positions (cough Woodward) but Liverpool really are no different. They just happened to get the best manager in the world, if Utd do that and stick with them we will win things.
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Yeah Woody cost us the best manager in the world and that's unforgivable for me
 
If he comes in he needs to immediately sideline anyone not on board. There needs to be zero tolerance towards this shit going forward or we’ll never get where we want to be.
 
Solius said:
If he comes in he needs to immediately sideline anyone not on board. There needs to be zero tolerance towards this shit going forward or we’ll never get where we want to be.
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Yeah don't pander to these lazy primadonnas would be a good start
 
At this point is there any other possible manager links with the promise that Ten Hag brings? I honestly do not see anyone that ticks the boxes except for Poch?
 
Zaphod2319 said:
At this point is there any other possible manager links with the promise that Ten Hag brings? I honestly do not see anyone that ticks the boxes except for Poch?
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It's clearly between ETH and Poch, unless you guys decide to sack Tuchel soonest.
 
Loon said:
Okay, bollocks or not?
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Highly likely to be bollocks.

Usually when a transfer or manager appointment is receiving a lot of media attention from reputable sources, you'll see a rush from completely disreputable sources who are willing to take a gamble and declare the deal as "done". If they are right, it will appear that they had the information first (even though they never had any information at all). If they are wrong, who cares - if they are not at a newspaper or broadcaster, they don't have any responsibility to be right about anything.

As always, when people at the Telegraph/BBC/Times/Athletic etc or similarly reputable Dutch sources start reporting this as "done", then we can get excited. Ignore the thousands of twitter-based nobodies in the interim.
 
Adnan said:
I wouldn't praise the Liverpool board for their change in fortunes from what I've read from the Liverpool media.

Liverpool when hiring Rodgers made a move for a young unproven coach at the highest level at the time who understood the requirements for the modern game. And Rodgers was ahead of the competition when it comes to implementing a coordinated pressing game. And that gave Liverpool a advantage against the competition and they almost beat out City under their head coach Pellegrini. But FSG hired Kenny Dalglish before they arrived at the Rodgers juncture. And even though Rodgers almost won the league it highlighted a flaw in the system at Liverpool which we at United are also suffering from imo.

And the flaw at Liverpool was that they had a large recruitment team already at the club but Rodgers didn't want to work under them or was reluctant to work with them according to reports. He made it clear to the Liverpool board that he didn't want to work under a Sporting director type setup and would like his own recruitment staff. The Liverpool board agreed to his demands and he almost won the league, but the key players in that Liverpool team were already at the club before Rodgers' arrival. You can credit him for Coutinho and Strurridge, but the amount of waste he bought can be viewed via the below link. The Liverpool fans and media blamed their scouts and Michael Edwards for the amount of poor signings at the time. Michael Edwards was a running joke among Liverpool fans at the time of Rodgers' sacking.

https://www.lfchistory.net/Transfers/ByManager/25/1

In steps Jurgen Klopp and the Liverpool board again give Klopp total control of the football side of the club according to the Liverpool press/media. But Klopp appoints Michael Edwards as the de facto Sporting director because he understands that it's in his best interests to be the the first team trainer/head coach and allow the recruitment team led by Edwards to create conditions for him to succeed. So Klopp gave the recruitment team the guiding principle/template to follow, when scouting players. And that created a streamlined approach to recruitment, where everyone at the club was working towards the same goal which was to recruit players for a particular way of playing the game. The much maligned Liverpool recruitment department that had become a laughing stock prior to Klopp's arrival were now the envy of it's rivals. And did Klopp select the Sporting director from outside of the club? The answer to that is obviously no.

Michael Edwards came to Liverpool to work as a analyst under Sporting director, Damien Comolli in 2011. He was part of a failed team because Comolli was sacked but Edwards was kept on. You can imagine the melt down if we hired a Sporting director after he was part of a failed DoF team and then was criticised for being part of the transfer committee that apparently failed Rodgers. But the difference is that with Rodgers he didn't want to work with Liverpool's recruitment department but Klopp came in and embraced the recruitment team at the club and they started singing from the same hymn sheet, and everything else is history.

Did Ole and Mourinho do what Klopp did or what Rodgers did? It's clear they did what Rodgers did and the United board allowed them to have their personal recruitment staff, which was the same at Liverpool who allowed Rodgers to have his own personal recruitment team. If you have a team of 50 plus people dedicated to recruitment and you then appoint a manager who doesn't want to work with said recruitment department, then you deserve failure. But there's a easy way to navigate around that, and that is for the board to allow the recruitment department to select the head coach and interview the potential candidate. And it looks like we're doing that now.
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Great post as others have said. Sort of echos my thoughts in that a big part of the reason United are where there are at present is the lack of footballing structure and not having enough sharp minds taking on the correct responsibilities.

I mentioned the likes of Edwards, Tkiki Bergistain and Ferran Sorriano in the 'why are United on a continued decline' thread and the fact that United don't have people of this calibre in these sorts of positions as something that stands out like a sore-thumb when you compare them to the top clubs domestically and in Europe.

Solskjaer and Mourinho having the level of atonomy you mentioned is probably a direct correlation because they're probably fighting for as much control over recruitment as possible when they know United don't have a Michael Edwards type to spearhead this department. Instead it's either involve yourself in transfer policy as much as possible, or delegate more power to Joel Glazer and at the time Ed Woodward which is a distratrous choice to make.

The good thing with a potential ETH appointment is that based on everything we've read, the current structure at Ajax and the success he's had there it seems he is open to and willing to work in this sort of system. The man thing for United now is to find the right people to work with him and add expertise in these positions. There are major question works over John Murtough and Darren Fletcher in the roles they're currently in, and I definitely think Utd need more proven experience either to replace or support these two.
 
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Elpidios said:
The stats would end up like below... most probably


Ajax
Manchester United
69.4Possession %30.6
12Shots on target1
24Shots5
928Touches488
754Passes331
13Tackles16
8Clearances20
9Corners3
0Offsides1
0Yellow cards1
10Fouls conceded16
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Did you just make this up? Please tell me you made this up.
 
Mickeza said:
Orny will be the one to break it when it does break. Can’t see it being done before their cup final but on the other hand maybe everyone is getting fed up of being asked.
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100%
Orny will make us all horny.
 
Can Jurrien timber play as a RB ? Like at a very good level or atleast good level ? I don’t see any sense signing a cb when there are so many holes in our squad.
 
I’d love it if he brought a couple of players with him from Ajax, then was able to get a tune out of Donny again. He’d be saving us tens of millions just by doing that tbh.
 
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