Wayne is a legend but after watching that show, I'd never ever want him as United manager. Not only because of his Poch preference.
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Wayne is a legend but after watching that show, I'd never ever want him as United manager. Not only because of his Poch preference.
why what has he been saying?
He was talking about United's young players who are going to improve next season, Sancho and Rashford.
Then he said Lingard should be playing more, he has energy and quality. He is one of the "young players" the next manager should be building around.
Is he wrong about Sancho and Rashford?
Lingard should have been utilised more. No idea what’s gone on with him after that West Ham spell.
Lingard should leave and should have left a while ago.
He isn't wrong about Rashford and Sancho and I have quite some patience with them. Have been avoiding all the Rashford threads because it's tough to see the fanbase turn on him.
But come on, Lingard? He has been completely useless for United and for a very long time. Offers very little other than running around and pressing, he is absolutely not a player a new manager should build around and he isn't a "young player" either.
He also named McTominay, a young player who's done well. McTominay just scrapes about being the bare minimum and he's probably even beneath that.
To be fair it’s only really on the caf ETH has been hyped to silly levels. If you were picking between Poch and ETH, most probably want to see what ETH can do outside of the Eredivisie before they decide on him. It’s not like he’s saying Big Sam over ETH.
There's probably a 90% chance Poch will get us top 4, and a 5% chance he'll win us a major trophy. He's a solid A-.
There's probably a 90% chance Ten Hag will get us top 6. But there's nothing to say whether he'll fail or succeed at taking us up the next level. Like a new kid who's just transferred in from a different school, he could be anything from C to A+.
I can understand people wanting ETH - he represents the unknown and that gives hope that maybe he's something special. With Pochettino, you already know what you're getting and you already know it's not as good as Guardiola or Klopp. But those last two are generational managers so it's not reasonable to expect to bottle lightning like that. There might not be another candidate as good as them for the next decade. It's wishful thinking to assume that Ten Hag will be another Fergie rather than another Villas Boas.
Pragmatically speaking, Poch is the sensible choice. You don't need to resort to conspiracy theories to explain why so many ex-pros seem to favour him.
That said, I'm as much of a romantic as anyone. I want ETH too. I'm happy to admit I'm being a dreamer.
There's probably a 90% chance Ten Hag will get us top 6. But there's nothing to say whether he'll fail or succeed at taking us up the next level. Like a new kid who's just transferred in from a different school, he could be anything from C to A+.
I can understand people wanting ETH - he represents the unknown and that gives hope that maybe he's something special. With Pochettino, you already know what you're getting and you already know it's not as good as Guardiola or Klopp. But those last two are generational managers so it's not reasonable to expect to bottle lightning like that. There might not be another candidate as good as them for the next decade. It's wishful thinking to assume that Ten Hag will be another Fergie rather than another Villas Boas.
Pragmatically speaking, Poch is the sensible choice. You don't need to resort to conspiracy theories to explain why so many ex-pros seem to favour him.
That said, I'm as much of a romantic as anyone. I want ETH too. I'm happy to admit I'm being a dreamer.
I can only imagine he wants him cause in two or three years he'll either do a hell of a job with us for my other team Madrid to want him or fail at it for us to sack him so the job can be open for him to come in and manage.
Klopp in 2015 had done nothing in the PL. We're lucky that the Scousers got him so we could see what he could do outside the Bundesliga before going for him to manage us.
Had the audacity the suggest Maguire and Mctominay aren’t shit conference level players. The nerve.
Take a break from the internet mate, you’ve gone off the deep end.
Seeing how shite we were on Saturday in person has probably sent me there
Lingard should've been sold years ago
shut up u egg.
He did say "out of those two", which suggests he's not entirely sold on either of them tbh. Its the same with our other ex players, almost all of which seemed to think we missed a trick by not going all out for Conte. Poch seems to be the default preferred choice because of their familiarity with him.
We may be in the endgame soon enough
Until Ajax win the league, I expect nothing to occur on this front.
I'm pretty sure that I have been involved in a conversation on that topic but outside of Wink, who are those young players that he brought through? I assume that he is talking about academy players because otherwise pretty much all managers have bought young players and played the good ones.
I always wonder why fellow managers do these Sky Sprts appearances, the whole thing comes across as a poorly executed puff piece. ‘Manager needs time’, how much time Wayne, Solskjær got 3 years. . .’, ‘errrrrr’.
Only Alli comes to mind for me, and as you say he wasn’t an academy player.
He’s only saying that because he sees himself coming in when Poch is sacked. It’s like Boris and Teresa May all over again…
Genuine question, you are aware of what Klopp did at Dortmund? I’m not sure I follow how he’s a relevant comparison.
Until the Dutch league ends, the countdown will be stuck at ten Hag.
Dier was pretty young when he went to Spurs, Kane also broke through under Poch I seem to remember. By all accounts Pochettino handled Shaw very well at Southampton too.
I do agree though that it's not a particularly amazing record but it's clear he's capable of developing young players.
I'm very aware. I was making fun of the notion that someone has to be PL proven before you can assess their quality, both when it comes to players and managers. Not like being PL experienced made Mourinho or Solskjaer successful here.
It was very obvious that Klopp was able to produce good football given the right conditions, just as it is with ETH. The question isn't whether they know what good football is or how to make a team produce it, it's whether they get sufficient backing to implement it at the level they go to.
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Kane was Sherwood, but Pochettino continued his growth, no doubt. Shaw at Saints is a good one.
Shaw was a regular at under Adkins, Dier was playing at professional level for SCP(his boyhood club), Kane played at professional level in lower league and was promoted to the first team by Sherwood. While it's pretty clear that Pochettino is very good with young players, he doesn't have a particularly good record when it comes to bringing them through but that's circumstantial more than anything, nothing suggests that he couldn't or wouldn't do it.
Now it's an interesting point to make when you look at the managers he is "competing" with, ten Hag has brought through a lot more players than Pochettino, Luis Enrique worked with these type of players with Barcelona B, Lopetegui was Spain main youth head coach for a while. The other managers that have allegedly been interviewed have more experience with young players than Pochettino.
If one is to looks deep into the work that was done at Spurs, then the credit for the players developed at the club was down to John McDermott and the team working under him at reserve/academy level. McDermott was at Spurs for 15 years and departed in 2020 for a a technical director role with the English FA.
Not really, ETH still has major question marks, there’s a huge risk of if he can get his team to produce it in a more competitive league. ‘PL proven’ just means he’s done it recently in an elite league, ETH has never worked in an elite league.
Klopp was seen as a risk and that was even with his achievements which completely overshadow ETH’s.
I think waiting for Enrique is the very obvious choice but I’d probably go with Poch if it was only an option of him or ETH. Poch without big names and lazy old players (which we fans are sick of anyway) is easily good enough to make us consistent top four which, sadly let’s face it, is where we need to be aiming right now.
Only by absolute buffoons would Klopp have been seen as a risk.
Yeah but Liverpool had nothing to lose and went for the option with the highest ceiling. We should do the same rather than the safe pair of hands ‘devil you know’ option.
Firmly believe ETH would be City’s first choice if Pep were leaving now. They wouldn’t even consider Poch.
Need to wait for Orny until we're Shagging.
Yep but you remember the narratives for the first couple of seasons - his style of football won’t work, no winter break and too many injuries etc.
Thats also not factoring in that his style of football is perfect for a team that isn’t dominant.
True, just as big a risk for him at the time to be fair. Not unlike us right now though, we might well end up 7th or 8th this season and it’s been a while since anyone thought we were in the mix with the best CL clubs.
Why on earth did we ever let that Toy Story puppet anywhere near this club. He cost us the best manager out there and straight into the arms of our most hated rivals
Every manager it's a risk, especially for clubs without unlimited funds like Liverpool.
Thing is when Klopp when to England, Liverpool had nothing to lose as they were irrelevant for 30 years in PL, a couple of more seasons of irrelevance wouldn't have hurt then much.
I despise the fecker, a reign of utter abject failure. At least we now have the chance to appoint a top quality up coming manager.
Very concerned that Poch is a forgone conclusion, Rooneys comments tonight dont help. Surely no one thinks he can take us back to the top, he’s an appointment for 3/4th at best.
How's everyone feeling about ETH as he looks nailed on now
I still think the board will go for Poch. Expect more narratives about ETH being a risk etc this week.