Going to need Harry Potter to sort this mess out.
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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He wont be able to do anything with these braindead players
Can't do Harry, what about Graham?
I should, PSV usually comes back somehow.Ha! You should do the lotteryYou called it.
that’s why he will build his own team.
Will he? Sounds like we’re trying to give contracts to absolute wasters like Shaw, Rashford and Pogba
This is what I worry about.
He has pretty much won the league, there are a couple of semi-difficult games ahead for Ajax but highly doubt they will lose more than a couple of points in the remaining games.
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That’s him in the bag then.
winning the league with Ajax is about as hard as winning the league with Bayern. In truth the clubs are so well ran, so much bigger than the second in the land that it is hard to know how good a coach/manager really is even if they win the title a few years on the trot. it is more about not F-ing up than doing an incredible job. I suspect most coaches in the premier league would win the erstedivise with ajax... i would bet pochettino or tuchel would. and on that basis alone i feel too little is known about Ten Hag and too much of a risk.
i am also skeptical about pochettino who wasnt able to make PSG finish above Lille last year. he perhaps isnt the best man manager though he is a good tactician. I say this based on the disgruntled PSG dressing room. I feel he can be pressured into playing teams he might not want or buying players that he didnt want. This happened also under Levy where Pochettino was clearly not the boss either. dont want a weak leader and he is too much of a yes man. for me, unless we structure the club with a visionaire as a director of sports it is not a good fit.
tuchel is hot and cold but not a bad choice and I feel we should be able to take him from chelsea if we wanted him. people his age would be see the upgrade and with the right package doable.
Ideally for me it would a be a time machine back to early 90s
i am also skeptical about pochettino who wasnt able to make PSG finish above Lille last year. he perhaps isnt the best man manager though he is a good tactician. I say this based on the disgruntled PSG dressing room. I feel he can be pressured into playing teams he might not want or buying players that he didnt want. This happened also under Levy where Pochettino was clearly not the boss either. dont want a weak leader and he is too much of a yes man. for me, unless we structure the club with a visionaire as a director of sports it is not a good fit.
tuchel is hot and cold but not a bad choice and I feel we should be able to take him from chelsea if we wanted him. people his age would be see the upgrade and with the right package doable.
Ideally for me it would a be a time machine back to early 90s
That is bullshit.
Ajax didn't win the league for 4 years straight until ETH took over. Since mid 80s, PSV is more successful in Dutch league with more title winning streak, and more titles. Since 21st century, before ETH time, PSV record in Dutch league made Ajax look second rate even with De Boer's successful years.
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Great addition to the discussion there
It’s time to spin up the Ajax title race thread.
With the chasers drawing and a win for Ajax they could wrap the title up sooner.
7 games to play each and they have to face each other.
Possible 21 points.
Ajax 69
PSV 65
Thats a couple of slip ups from Ajax.
PSV still in Europe.
Ajax need to beat PSV to go 7 clear if they win all games until then. I think it will be tight but AJAX can wrap the season within 5 games if they win all theirs including the PSV game.
With the chasers drawing and a win for Ajax they could wrap the title up sooner.
7 games to play each and they have to face each other.
Possible 21 points.
Ajax 69
PSV 65
Thats a couple of slip ups from Ajax.
PSV still in Europe.
Ajax need to beat PSV to go 7 clear if they win all games until then. I think it will be tight but AJAX can wrap the season within 5 games if they win all theirs including the PSV game.
Ajax and PSV don't play again in the league.
Only 6 games to play and they have already played each other twice. Ajax well and truly in the box seat after today.
Pochettino wanted autonomy at Spurs. He's anything but a yes man
Ah must be a cup game in the fixture list.
Even better.
Could be over in 4 games time.
Yeah we all know that’s never happening. We aren’t giving him much power at all if he comes to United.
I am still very unsure how good the guy actually is either as a manager. The Champions League often isn’t the best barometer and going by the league they aren’t exactly running away with it this season.
Against Pep & Klopp in a physical league this guy could struggle big time with the pressure on.
He'll be sacked within two seasons with our crop of little vipers.
The biggest task of the next manager is getting rid of the toxic players before they get rid of him.
You did day it was 'widely reported'. So it would be fair to say you're embellishing though I'm not sure that's the correct term since you've provided no evidence to support your statement
I’m in the train hard but also give freedom method. It then shows which players will do the bare minimum if you let them and others that will do the maximum
Manager can't do shit if the board doesn't give authority to the manager.
Check out any successful team and you'd see that the manager has absolute authority. Saf had the final say on who came in and who went out, not gill. If any players crossed saf he was done at utd. Similarly, no player in city and liverpool can cross the manager and except to stay let alone get awarded with a better contract. When managers don't have authority players start acting up. Look at arsenal, once they gave arteta the authority he kicked out the toxic ring leaders and the rest fell in line.
Unless ten hag or poch or anyone else don't get the authorty of his position expect more of the same.
While I don’t like the owners at all, we have spend over 1B since SAF retired and I feel as the Glazers know nothing about football they will back the managers decisions.
You mention City and Liverpool but that is due to Pep and Klopps success as the manager is now more important than the players like it was with SAF.
If ETH came in we will give in to his demands and if successful we will back his decisions. If we don’t then the Glaziers got to go. The manager has the say.
If you hire a manager and you feel he is the one to take the club forward either it be Poch or ETH then we have to back him no matter what
We have to back him to the hilt. If he's allowed to bring in 6-7 players over two summers (like Ole did) he should be able to sort the mentality IF he brings in the right players. That's why it's especially important everyone understands he's THE boss especially in that first two years.
This is the big thing as I mentioned above. If we really believe he is the right man then we give in to all his demands regardless of what they are. We have chose the players over the manager this time we have went for a manager we believe is right so we have to choose him
If the new appointment understands his role as the head coach and not manager like Klopp and Guardiola, then he will succeed imo. But if he doesn't understand his role as primarily being someone who is responsible for on field performance, then he will fail.
It's upto our football department to make sure we hire a head coach and not manager. That should be non negotiable in the interview process imo.
It's upto our football department to make sure we hire a head coach and not manager. That should be non negotiable in the interview process imo.
Klopp and Pep have tons of support when it comes to transfers etc. It's not like Madrid or PSG but a lot of work that we find "intelligent" behind the scenes comes from support staff. If Klopp had his way they wouldn't have got Salah. Boy do I wish they went for his picks instead of that of the transfer committee.
Also why will we suddenly change our stance and sign a head coach? We've always been a club like gives our manager ultimate power much more so than Liverpool and City as well. We don't need to give him SAF type responsibilities but mere head coach is not appealing to most top managers.
That's why Klopp is the Head coach and not manager. The recruitment is controlled by Edwards and the team working under him. Guardiola the same with a recruitment department taking care of recruitment. They don't have their personal recruitment staff like Mourinho and Ole had during their tenures, hence both being managers.
We've changed our stance because we're going into a new season with a DoF who is leading the search for a head coach.
The critical caveat is that in both those cases Klopp and Guardiola have likely made it very clear exactly what kinds of qualities are necessary in each position to play the football they want to play. So while they might not control recruitment directly, they have imposed their vision on the footballing operation.
I think the tricky needle to thread for United is that they probably do want to hire a Head Coach as you say, but they also need a Head Coach who has both a clear footballing vision and the stature/personality to convince everybody else within the club to follow that vision.
Ten Hag, Van Persie and Rio.
what a team
what a team
I agree and ten Hag fits into that way of thinking. Because most coaches in Europe work as head coaches and answer to a recruitment head.
We should follow the Arteta route. I thought he wont last there longer than Ole but getting rid of those toxic players who wont conform into his ideas has yielded a good result so far for this season. Ffs they are comfrotably in top 4 with 2 games in hand. We should get rid of these toxic overpaid divas soon.
I think so too. The big question is whether he has the stature and personality to impose his vision on the rest of the club and whether he will continue to keep their support during rocky times. He is a good coach but he isn't coming in with the reputation of Klopp or Guardiola, such that people will readily agree to whatever he wants.
That remains to be seen mate.
I think they'll be patient with him, and he along with the recruitment department will move on the players that need moving on. And they'll look to sign the players he requires for his way of playing.
But the most important thing for us is that there's a click between the recruitment department and head coach. And one would assume there will be now, that the DoF will be selecting the next coach.
Well I hope so. Although I don't trust the board and owners so I wouldn't be saying that just yet. Board could easily say to Ten Hag no your not selling Rashford even though he doesn't want him.
The only reason they aren't running away with it is because PSV are doing very well too. Ajax have won 22 of 28 games, drawn and lost 3 times. They have scored 83 goals and conceded only 14 in their league. Whilst their early exit in the CL was disappointing, if you watched that game, it was the literal definition of a smash and grab, Ajax were all over Benfica. This Ajax team under Ten Hag is far from underwhelming.