Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

[sullydnl]

It's more complicated than either signing players the manager wants or not. The question is how often the player they get is the first, second, third, or fourth choice. Because technically those would all be players the manager wanted if they are on the agreed list of potential targets.

In VDB's case I have zero doubt that Ole agreed to the signing and even helped convince VDB to come, because they've both outright told us that was the case. But that could still mean VDB was only fourth choice in Ole's eyes, was signed because that was better than not strengthening that position at all and that lukewarm view of him carried over into his then limited opportunities. Which would be an echo of LVG's complaints of not getting his preferred picks too.

A question for the new manager to ask beyond "do I have final say?" would be "how does the club decide when a first choice pick isn't viable and we need to move on to lesser options?".

 

[TsuWave]

He's not going to admit it. It would make him look like a puppet.

I think Ole went along with signings.

so rather than taking Ole’s word for it, we are supposed to come up with conspiracies?

 

[DomesticTadpole]

All managers mainly go on others advices. scouting is a full time job. If your manager is actively scouting, he isn't fully doing the rest of his job which means that he is for example not the main coach.

David Moyes tried it didn't he. Otherwise he would have gone by the scouting for players that had already been done. He wanted to look at everything himself before making any decisions.

 

[Cassidy]

David Moyes tried it didn't he. Otherwise he would have gone by the scouting for players that had already been done. He wanted to look at everything himself before making any decisions.

Jose brought his own scouts, think Moyes did too and so did Ole

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Jose brought his own scouts, think Moyes did too and so did Ole

Think Moyes made a massive mistake. All we ended up with was a player we didn't want and a player we didn't need.

 

[ti vu]

David Moyes tried it didn't he. Otherwise he would have gone by the scouting for players that had already been done. He wanted to look at everything himself before making any decisions.

Moyes did. Herrera and the 3 lawyers episode occurred because Moyes dithered since he didn't scout Herrera himself. Herrera was a target from SAF time, after Athletic Bilbao thrashed us in EL.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

Moyes did. Herrera and the 3 lawyers episode occurred because Moyes dithered since he didn't scout Herrera himself. Herrera was a target from SAF time, after Athletic Bilbao thrashed us in EL.

You wonder if he has changed the way he operates now.

 

[Cassidy]

Think Moyes made a massive mistake. All we ended up with was a player we didn't want and a player we didn't need.

They all did that

 

[B20]

No you are wrong. Ole said himself he had final say on incoming players.

Final say:
"do you want this player, that player or none at all?"
"I had someone else in mind actua..."
"that wasn't the question."

 

[DomesticTadpole]

They all did that

So is that rubbish scouting or manager not taking any notice or the club letting agents dictate who we sign?

 

[ti vu]

You wonder if he has changed the way he operates now.

I remembered reading Moyes had his son as part of West Ham scouting team not long ago. So it seems he has his personal scouts, if he's not personally do the scouting himself nowadays.

Edit: https://www.hammers.news/transfer-n...-ham-scouting-mission-at-international-match/

Seems like Moyes still personally goes on scouting mission.

 

[Cassidy]

No you are wrong. Ole said himself he had final say on incoming players.

He said a lot of things. Doesn’t make it true

 

[Cassidy]

So is that rubbish scouting or manager not taking any notice or the club letting agents dictate who we sign?

No idea

 

[JPRouve]

David Moyes tried it didn't he. Otherwise he would have gone by the scouting for players that had already been done. He wanted to look at everything himself before making any decisions.

Not exactly, Moyes allegedly likes to be part of the last scouting compilation which to be perfectly clear is the last part of the scouting job when the scouting, reports, highlights, data analysis are already done by the scouts and the chief scout. Moyes wanted Robbie Cooke's reports.

To make it short, the scouts and data analysts compile a list of players that they scouted and analyzed when it's done the head coach or DOF look at that list and picks the players that he likes based on already done scouting. In theory you do that several times per seasons and end up with lists of players per positions. The point being that managers at professional level do no scout players themselves, they have scouts for that, managers are part of the decision making because they are involved in the lists of final targets and give their opinion based on other peoples reports.

 

[Leftback99]

Almost the opposite of how it should be run. Luckily Romano just makes this stuff up.

 

[Terranova]

Ten Hag and making signings is not a good combination, every signing he did at Ajax(not the ones Overmars made) are kinda bad. Promes, Labyad, Klaiber, Marin, Haller. Most of those players he worked with previously and aren't really good enough.

Haller scores a lot, but still isn't anywhere good enough to be an Ajax striker, but that's due to Ajax fans having higher standards than just winning/scoring when it comes to football.

But then again, some Ajax players could work(although i don't want Antony, Timber or Martinez to leave yet )

 

[Tarrou]

Ten Hag and making signings is not a good combination, every signing he did at Ajax(not the ones Overmars made) are kinda bad. Promes, Labyad, Klaiber, Marin, Haller. Most of those players he worked with previously and aren't really good enough.

Haller scores a lot, but still isn't anywhere good enough to be an Ajax striker, but that's due to Ajax fans having higher standards than just winning/scoring when it comes to football.

But then again, some Ajax players could work(although i don't want Antony, Timber or Martinez to leave yet )

how do you know which are Overmars signings and which are ETH? (genuinely asking not saying you don't)

 

[Thoms]

Pep just spoke about Eth, can be found on ESPN NL twitter. I’m not allowed to post the tweet.

 

[Jackal981]

how do you know which are Overmars signings and which are ETH? (genuinely asking not saying you don't)

Haller also currently tearing it up for Ajax after his failed PL stint.

 

[Terranova]

how do you know which are Overmars signings and which are ETH? (genuinely asking not saying you don't)

Because nobody in their right mind would buy most of those players at Ajax and ETH worked with them before and the media talked about it being the case.

Haller also currently tearing it up for Ajax after his failed PL stint.

No he is not. He is scoring yes, but he's not good enough to be an Ajax striker. The difference between most clubs and Ajax is that Ajax fans(me included) expect so much more than goals from a striker. Haller only delivers the goals, nothing more. He is slow, can't pass, mostly invisible throughout the match and surprisingly misses a lot of easy chances.

 

[Red00012]

So your example is a player that was allegedly convinced to join after having conversations with Ole?

Allegedly

 

[Red00012]

No you are wrong. Ole said himself he had final say on incoming players.

Ya I’m sure we wouldn’t have signed Ronaldo if Ole said no

 

[Red00012]

No you are wrong. Ole said himself he had final say on incoming players.

Ole also told Lingard to stay because he would get games …also told the media VDB would play

 

[Rozay]

Allegedly

Alleged by the player himself I’m pretty sure.

 

[JPRouve]

Allegedly

Unless Van De Beek lied it's actually a fact.

 

[Red00012]

Unless Van De Beek lied it's actually a fact.

You said allegedly

 

[JPRouve]

You said allegedly

I did because from the POV of an outsider it is alleged but that claim was made by Van de Beek himself. Now my question is what is the source of your own allegations?

 

[Loon]

Please stop. It’s the hope….

 

[FootyGirl88]

 

[pascell]

That to me suggests that it's already been agreed and won't be announced until Ajax have finished their season.

 

[Kaos]

Ajax playing in an hour if anyone wants to watch some ten Hag ball.

 

[hellhunter]

Ajax playing in an hour if anyone wants to watch some ten Hag ball.

Are we reading his body language for signs of goodbye?

 

[elmo]

That to me suggests that it's already been agreed and won't be announced until Ajax have finished their season.

How many more games before they wrap up their league because our season is as good as over.

Edit: wtf, they've a +30 GD between them and PSV and yet only 2 points seperate them

 

[pratyush_utd]

Are we reading his body language for signs of goodbye?

He needs to point towards Manchester and then tap his chest. Anything less and the deal is off

 

[Jackal981]

He needs to point towards Manchester and then tap his chest. Anything less and the deal is off

Need to strip down and show us his Man Utd underwear to confirm his appointment

 

[pratyush_utd]

I think the control part is mainly down to the concern that we buy players looking at their commercial value as well. So Ten Hag might be looking into getting assurance that he should have say before final decision is made.

 

[No Idea For Nickname]

He needs to point towards Manchester and then tap his chest. Anything less and the deal is off

How the heck do we know which way is Manchester from Ajax stadium?

Need to strip down and show us his Man Utd underwear to confirm his appointment

Me like!

 

[Rozay]

Ajax playing in an hour if anyone wants to watch some ten Hag ball.

Will be a tough game for them away at an in-form Gronigen.

 

[wolvored]

That to me suggests that it's already been agreed and won't be announced until Ajax have finished their season.

Yes I have thought this for a while. ajax wont want their season disrupted by the media circus if this was mentioned before the end of the season.

 

[united_99]

Are we reading his body language for signs of goodbye?

Nothing will ever beat the Hazard 2012 saga. From his kid wearing blue all the way to him announcing I am joining the Champions of Europe to some fans still in hope claiming he didn‘t say Champions of Europe 2012.