Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

Ultimately it's about control. Will the new manager have the control to sign, sell and play whoever he wants.

I think it's a good bet that LvG and Jose felt they didn't have such complete control. If we sign someone like ETH who plays a certain system and style then we have to give him that control.

There's no point us forcing certain signings on managers or that some have to stay because they're commercially important.
 
RopersReturn said:
I think Van Gaal will ultimately have an major influence over Ten Haags decision unfortunately.
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Not really. Opportunity to manage a club like United dont come that easily. ETH wont throw it away because what happened to LVG 7 years ago. We arent the same club anymore in terms of structure also now.
 
When you read this thread, it's just constant negatives about how the club are gonna screw everything up or how something bad is going to happen. If Ten Haag chooses not to take the biggest job he could possibly have in world football over some bitter comments from LVG, it's his loss. We're not the only club to be in turmoil. Bayern, Barca, Madrid have all been there.
 


Notice the distinction with 'Sports' people, the suits and the bankers don't want him
 
L1nk said:


Notice the distinction with 'Sports' people, the suits and the bankers don't want him
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I think the consensus of most article is that we are impressed with ETH. Now most journalist are churning out articles with slight difference to fill their newspaper.
 
tjb said:
When you read this thread, it's just constant negatives about how the club are gonna screw everything up or how something bad is going to happen. If Ten Haag chooses not to take the biggest job he could possibly have in world football over some bitter comments from LVG, it's his loss. We're not the only club to be in turmoil. Bayern, Barca, Madrid have all been there.
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We are in a far worse state than those clubs. We have parastic owners who have a massive debt hanging over the club, only take money out and most importantly of call dont care if the team never wins another trophy or what the fans think. The three clubs you mention are owned or controlled by fans. Thats a huge point in their favour.

Gettign a good manager in shoud be possible, as despute these issuse the club is still a big platform for any manager or player. But lets at least be honest about teh state club is in and not pretend its a bit of dip.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
LvG is clearly right and I don't understand posters going against him.

This club is NOT about football. Any coach will fail here.
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Aside from Moyes they've all been given time, money and a lot of players.

Things aren't perfect but they've all been given enough to at least get a team together that plays good football.

That they haven't is a failure on them.

The next coach, if he's got his act together should be able to sort this out. Everything is there to do so.
 
Smores said:
Ultimately it's about control. Will the new manager have the control to sign, sell and play whoever he wants.

I think it's a good bet that LvG and Jose felt they didn't have such complete control. If we sign someone like ETH who plays a certain system and style then we have to give him that control.

There's no point us forcing certain signings on managers or that some have to stay because they're commercially important.
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No its not. I sometimes wonder if people making some of these posts actually follow the club. LVG had pretty much free reign on signings, and signed a lot of dross, as well as letting soem good squad players go. Same with Mourinho, it was his final year the board wouldnt back him, partly as noone felt Maguire was worth the money (which at the time was well below £80m). One of hte main reasons our squad is such a mess is that managers have been given way too much power, Look at Ole with his own scout and deciding that AWB and Maguire were the future, a wasted £130m.

I agree about the point about not makign commercial signings, but not sure there have been that many of them. Ronaldo the most recent but pretty sure Ole was happy for that.
 
L1nk said:


Notice the distinction with 'Sports' people, the suits and the bankers don't want him
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I would think the bankers and suits would rather go for Ten Hag given the £20m compensation fee it would take to free Pochettino from his contract.
 
L1nk said:


Notice the distinction with 'Sports' people, the suits and the bankers don't want him
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It could easily be the cleaners & caretakers in the club who don't want him, either way its guaranteed to be made up gash.
Luckhurst wanting rage clicks from United fans is no surprise, it's just a shame so many people continue to fall for it.
 
How are we assuming that just because we've changed the structure, we now have the right one with the right people? I'm going to hold my opinion on that before saying that the next manager has the right environment to work in, and pinning any future shortcomings on the pitch on to him
 
Sounds like the club's set on ETH and are checking the reactions before announcing. At least that's what I'm hyping myself up to believing in. I'll be so disappointed if we go for anyone else :(
 
Anustart89 said:
Sounds like the club's set on ETH and are checking the reactions before announcing. At least that's what I'm hyping myself up to believing in. I'll be so disappointed if we go for anyone else :(
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That's what I think too and I'd welcome the "surprise" announcement.

Imagine if tomorrow morning we see Lopetegui or Poch appointed, redcafe would fecking implode.
 
L1nk said:


Notice the distinction with 'Sports' people, the suits and the bankers don't want him
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The bankers would prefer him over Poch also considering the huge buyout payment we'd have to make to release Poch.

I doubt he'd come asking a bigger salary than Poch either.

Essentially it's win win - IF he wants to come that is.
 
van Gaal is probably right when talking specifically about his experience, but a lot of people have come and Gona in the intervening 6 years since he left.

I do wish he would at least consider the fans, a lot of whom who backed him through even the worst of his tenure, when speaking about the club in a way that could be potentially be harmful to it.
 
Devil’s Trident said:
Are you joking ? Were you born after the heritage rant v Sevilla where he mocked and humiliated us and defended himself when he was actually the manager of the club ? Van Gaal also won a trophy with us.

And If you say Jose’s assessments are spot on, then so are Van gaal’s.
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I was talking about how they behaved after leaving the club.

And tbh, while that Sevilla rant was a bit extreme, it was not wrong at all. Just a bit too candid.

While many of LvG's assessments are correct, he's clearly badmouthing the club long after leaving. Half of his comments are United slandering.
 
youmeletsfly said:
That's what I think too and I'd welcome the "surprise" announcement.

Imagine if tomorrow morning we see Lopetegui or Poch appointed, redcafe would fecking implode.
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Think this one's wrapped up.

This is the hill we die on - Pogba, Cavani, Lingard, Bailly will all leave this year (~700k p/w in wages) and Ronaldo, Matic next year (~600k p/w). If we feck up the rebuild this time, there's no saving this club. We got a two year time period where we can make good signings and challenge again.
 
Don’t know who else is interested in Ten Hag? If it’s Real Madrid who’ve approached him, then he’d be a lot better off here. Compared to the Glazers, Perez is a lunatic.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
LvG is clearly right and I don't understand posters going against him.

This club is NOT about football. Any coach will fail here.
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This is spot on. But there is a glimmer of hope that this is changing simply because even a commercial club needs on the field success in the long term. The high press project is our last best hope of salvaging anything for the next ten years.
 
Tavern in the town said:
All clubs are commercial clubs though, do people think the presidents of Real and Barca aren’t motivated mainly by making as much money as they can? The Super League was proof of this. The only exceptions are clubs where the owner is in it for a bit of fun (Chelsea) or sportswashing vehicles (City and PSG).
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No - not all clubs are like this so many English clubs with American investors are - not just the Glazers. The Russian and Arabian investors have other ideas, too - but it is more the sportswashing effect...

The difference of e.g. a club like Ajax is that they for sure need to make money with e.g. selling some players to keep their business fluid. The main target is the football and money just a necessity - whereas for e.g. the Glazers football is the necessity but the target is to make much money.
 
Gordon Godot said:
No its not. I sometimes wonder if people making some of these posts actually follow the club. LVG had pretty much free reign on signings, and signed a lot of dross, as well as letting soem good squad players go. Same with Mourinho, it was his final year the board wouldnt back him, partly as noone felt Maguire was worth the money (which at the time was well below £80m). One of hte main reasons our squad is such a mess is that managers have been given way too much power, Look at Ole with his own scout and deciding that AWB and Maguire were the future, a wasted £130m.

I agree about the point about not makign commercial signings, but not sure there have been that many of them. Ronaldo the most recent but pretty sure Ole was happy for that.
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All have implied previously that the preferred targets weren't delivered and they had to make do with what was given to them. We'll never know the truth of that but I'd say it seems very likely.

LvG obviously had reign to let certain squad players go (wrongly) but none of those were of commercial value. No chance a new manager comes in and is able to sell a key asset because they don't fit.
 
LVG is correct in his assessment of MUFC.We are no longer a football club but a cash cow for the owners run by a bunch of bankers and PR people with no idea about football.
 
Offsideagain said:
LVG is correct in his assessment of MUFC.We are no longer a football club but a cash cow for the owners run by a bunch of bankers and PR people with no idea about football.
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That has definitely been the case in the past, but there are reasons to be optimistic that it is finally beginning to change.
 
ayushreddevil9 said:
Its not the same. The board can actually hire a manager that plays a brand of football that the club wants moving forwards. Instead they are interviewing candidates who have totally opposite approaches. This shows that they haven't done any homework since Rangnick was hired and are clueless just like Spurs were last summer.
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This just you wanting your preferred manager to land the job. Can you summarize the other candidates respect approaches and why only Ten Hag would be a good fit here among them overall?
 
Offsideagain said:
LVG is correct in his assessment of MUFC.We are no longer a football club but a cash cow for the owners run by a bunch of bankers and PR people with no idea about football.
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The social media team is absolutely the most clueless regarding football. Can't remember which PL game it was but, they had a post with one of our players taking a corner and this was when we had not scored in 100 something corners. In their minds, oh this is a pretty picture, let's post it. So many other posts and it just boggles the mind.
 
Shimo said:
The social media team is absolutely the most clueless regarding football. Can't remember which PL game it was but, they had a post with one of our players taking a corner and this was when we had not scored in 100 something corners. In their minds, oh this is a pretty picture, let's post it. So many other posts and it just boggles the mind.
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He may be correct but its also sour grapes. He made awful, awful signings and delivered tedious football. But none of that should have been a surprise as it reflected the pattern of his previous jobs.
 
United in sin said:
This just you wanting your preferred manager to land the job. Can you summarize the other candidates respect approaches and why only Ten Hag would be a good fit here among them overall?
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Not really. I didn't mention ETH in my post at all. I called out the fact that the club has done feck all in laying down the foundations for the future.

Compare it with Man city where they created a setup that would suit Pep and would allow him to flourish. They were working on it for a while and eventually landed their target.

They had a plan which is paying dividends now. Unlike Utd who will be having this scattergun approach interviewing different coaches just like Spurs did last summer.
 
sullydnl said:
I mean based on his time here, Van Gaal is entirely correct. We were run with commercial interests in mind rather than football interests. We've been complaining about it on this forum for years. And telling a manager to instead go to a club with a proper focus on the football side of things would generally be good advice.

The only caveat is that our structure has changed since LVG was here. The CEO he was dealing with has been replaced and there are football people in positions that didn't exist when he was here.
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Just to add to your post, LVG's complaints when he was United manager were centred around the preseason tour, where he felt it didn't help him regards preparation for the season proper. And those tours are the norm at many clubs, but unfortunately LVG couldn't juggle the tour games whilst planning for the season.
 
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