100% agree with this. He has Haller scoring 33 this season he loves a goalscorer and Ronaldo is just that. Our problem is creating for him
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100% agree with this. He has Haller scoring 33 this season he loves a goalscorer and Ronaldo is just that. Our problem is creating for him
Real are top of their league and their manager just guided them to a brilliant CL knock out comeback bs PSG. There is little reason why they would be searching for a manager now.
I can think of 4 reasons
It's Real mate. They are always looking for perfection of winning and style.
They sacked Capello literally after he won them their first La Liga in 4 years back in 2007.I imagine after that 4-0 drubbing at the Bernabeu the other night might have sealed Carlo's fate.
He got 25 points from his last 24 games at Spurs. They’d lost the most league games in the calendar year up until he was sacked out of every team. The Champions League run masked near relegation form.
Even in Español he did a quite decent job. Tuchel had a more embarrassing exit in CL with PSG than Poch, but suddenly Poch is portrayed as a useless dude.
If anything, his management of the stars at PSG is not good enough.
LVG won the CL with Ajax, and Mourinho won over 20 trophies in his career. Never understood some fans obsession with past achievements.
Poch hasn't looked anywhere near his best for almost half a decade now.
He is definitely better than Arteta in terms of man management skill, and get the buy in from senior player. It is a challenge for every coach without status in the industry.
It is fine to prefer Ten Hag, but don't sound like Poch is a useless coach or he is finished.
You don't get fired for doing a decent job.
Unironically Poch has been fired at every single club he managed except Soton. Even there though, he managed for 1 season so it's hard to say how he would have fared if given more time.
His players downed tools on him at Spurs long before he left. In fact his last 18 months of league form was a disgrace
While I think either would be a step up from our current position, I think the reason many of us hugely favour ETH is that he's clearly on the up and up, ready for that next big challenge (Which we are sure to be).
In comparison, Poch has looked spent for years now. Out of ideas and out of love with the game is how he comes across, which is fair enough - it's a stressful profession - but is a recipe for mediocrity at best.
If ETH is given the backing he needs and clicks he could have us challenging for titles again, I truly believe that. With Poch, I think consistent top-4 finishes and the odd cup run would be about the best we could expect.
At this stage of dumpster fire that we are, why not roll the dice on big change?
Can he speak English? That's always the worry with these foreign managers like Poch and Den Hag
But that happens to all squads. We never won the league 4 times in a row and neither have this city. The reason is every few seasons even the best teams need a overhaul. SAF was the best at it, Poch Spurs hit the point where they made the CL F and where getting top 4 but the players knew after the CL F that it was the best they could achieve there.
Erikson wanted to leave Plus others and the team needed that 3-4 years overhaul but Spurs didn’t have the money to do such a thing.
It’s hard to motivate players when they have been together 3-4 years and have hit a peak. Look at Bielsa Leeds. They did so well for 3-4 years then obviously needed the overhaul.
Poch did great with Spurs during his time but he needed to either ask for 200m to challenge the top 2 or walk after that CL F as they had hit their max
Why are we surprised that the media want Poch? They aren't going to want the hilarious slapstick comedy of United to go back to being a force to be feared... And yes I include Neville in this. He seems to love watching us lose.
25 points out of 24 matches, that's nothing we've ever been close to. Or any other top team I can remember. That can't be accurate, surely not?
In hindsight he should have walked out after that final. It was the highest he could take the club to. The emotion setback after that defeat was huge for everyone in the squad.
Yeah while that awful it was due to the fact that they gave up in the league when near the CL SF and rightfully so.
My post above is based on the season after the CL F they were like Leicester after winning the league they achieved what they could then went to crap as they hit their max
I'd be happy with this appointment, mainly because this is the only manager we'd have appointed who is currently at the top of their game. Yes, jury is still out as to whether he'd be able to transform the success he's had at Ajax to United, but as of now, he's one of the best coaches in Europe. Really hope it works out for him if we end up getting him.
I don't think it matters very much. He will learn quickly and in the meantime he can use translators. Football is not that complicated of a game.
That’s what I mean exactly. They needed a huge overhaul which Levy wouldn’t give the funds or he had to walk. The squad had run their course and knew they couldn’t achieve anything like a CL F again
The hate on poch? Insane ? Maybe I’ve missed it but most on here prefer know poch is a good manager but greatly prefer ten hag because he has a set style, drills his players properly and has modern tactics. We’re just afraid poch is gonna come in and go with the flow too much. The flow is shit.
I have no concern. Football is a universal language, he will get on just fine.
Why do I feel I've said this before. *chuckles*
Yes life long Man Utd supporter, ex player, wants us to fail. This bizarre anti-Utd personality some have created for him will never not be baffling.
A progressive manager at the cutting edge of modern European football. He’ll do for me.
Yeah it just seems so obvious that is why I worried as we always make stupid choices
The reality of the world I’m afraid. He’s said a few things we don’t agree with!? How dare he, he must hate the club.
Its a joke. The man said in his opinion Poch would be a better fit. Last I checked, he’s entitled to whatever opinion he wants. And who knows, he could actually be right. ETH isn’t a sure thing, neither will Poch be if he got the job.
Does Ten Hag have the personality to walk into the dressing room and kick all the egos into touch? I have no idea but he needs to be ruthless.
The club need to back him against the players and give him 3 years at least.
I predict there will be an internal bun fight over the next few seasons.
The club need to back him against the players and give him 3 years at least.
I predict there will be an internal bun fight over the next few seasons.
The more obvious and somewhat lazy choice for the media would be Pochettino. But he strikes me now a little bit like when we appointed Mourinho, that being he is starting to regress whilst getting wounded along the way. I want a fresh manager who arrives confident and on the up. I just feel ETH fits that bill better.
Ancelloti was fired by Real, Chelsea and I think Juve too. Tuchel by Dortmund and PSG. Heynches by Bayern, Schalke, Real etc. There are millions examples like this. Are you telling me they are not good managers or didn't do a decent job?
I don't think Poch is bad, I wouldn't be over the moon, but I wouldn't be disappointed. Where I think the over the top dislike of Poch comes from the fact that fans are connecting him with Woodward, and much of United over the past few years, because he was always linked, and almost seemed destined for the job at some point.
Fans are now looking for real change, done are the days of DNA and premiere league proven, we want modern football, we want good players becoming great players at United, not hasbeens collecting their final check. We want a structure throughout the club that focuses on the football and supporting the manager.
If we get ETH it cements the new direction of the club, new manager with a unique and modern style, the end of galactico type players with no passion left in them but all the power in the club. If we get Poch it will just be a continuation of more of the same, Arnold is no different than Woodword, players still run the club, manager still gets no support and won't make it past 3 years. Now whether or not that is correct, I don't know, but I think that's the perception his appointment would give.
Fans are now looking for real change, done are the days of DNA and premiere league proven, we want modern football, we want good players becoming great players at United, not hasbeens collecting their final check. We want a structure throughout the club that focuses on the football and supporting the manager.
If we get ETH it cements the new direction of the club, new manager with a unique and modern style, the end of galactico type players with no passion left in them but all the power in the club. If we get Poch it will just be a continuation of more of the same, Arnold is no different than Woodword, players still run the club, manager still gets no support and won't make it past 3 years. Now whether or not that is correct, I don't know, but I think that's the perception his appointment would give.
No, what I am saying is top managers don't have an almost 100% firing rate at their jobs. Top coaches also win big trophies with their teams and most times than not they get fired over internal politics rather than performances.
Poch's firing rate is based on his performances alone. Also it's important to notice that Spurs were on the downward trend when he was fired. When hired at PSG he didn't anything to show that has changed.
I wouldn’t necessarily prefer Ten Hag to Enrique personally. Either of them would be my preferred choice.
I agree with this. We don't need massive funds in my opinion
In fact if we have a system we want, I think a manager or coach would have an easier time getting a youth player to play a certain way and style.
I think three signings and three youth players (rotating) and we can easily get top4 (which should be his first target)
Maybe back to back but with improvements where we are in a position of saying a few signings away from competing and winning like happened with Klopp and Liverpool
Giving up in the league is one thing, but averaging a point a game for more than half the season is just indefensible. Not that it's the stick I'd beat Poch with, particularly, I just don't think he's anything close to Pep or Klopp, nor does he play attractive football, nor does he strike me as a serious leader. At least with ten Hag his style of play is a thing of beauty and he'll develop the young players in that style, and as an unknown quantity he might reach those high levels with the right support, whereas with Poch it's hard to imagine it.
I think united are getting this guy. It helps that Woodward is gone too I would think with his record of failure including his Disneyland selling pitch.
Good laugh at the very least.
I was under the impression Fletcher was staying away from the player staff and his role was between the academy and senior team - at least when he first came in.
I don’t think we should insist on keeping ex players is the obvious and clear point. If the manager insists they are useful then carry on.
I agree with your last point, and I agree with that other poster pointing out that the club hasn’t normally insisted on it, possibly the one time it happened (Giggs under Moyes) might have been thw one time they should have insisted on keeping more of the previous staff, instead of seeing Moyes bringing in the entire Everton coaching staff in one fell swoop. Van Gaal, Mourinho, Solskjær and Rangnik have all wanted former players in their staff.
My age is better, though.