Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

JJ12 said:
But every manager has had an ex player or ex member of staff (Phelan) on their staff and it’s safe to say it hasn’t worked out. In my opinion. Not strictly assistant manager but on the back room staff. Nobody knows Fletchers role is yet he’s with Ralf who doesn’t even know what his role is.
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The club hasn’t forced them. Perhaps these managers see some value themselves in retaining some continuity.
 
IWat said:
Yep, get the mould out of the dressing room irrespective of status and build a culture with a core of players who care about the shirt.
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you guys need to let go of this passion/care about the shirt nonsense. We just need good players.

you’re crazy if you think the guys kicking ball at City care/cared for the shirt. They are just good players, with a great manager and in a system designed to succeed
 
Pogue Mahone said:
It was easy to see with foresight they were shit. Moyes was a huge punt, someone who had no clue about how to grind out a league title, or compete with the European elite. Van Gaal was over the hill. Likewise Mourinho, with added toxicity. And I really don’t need to get into Ole’s (lack of) credentials, do I?

There’s absolutely no question that - on paper - Ten Haag is in a different league to his predecessors. Obviously on paper suitability only means so much but before he takes charge of a single game there’s already many more reasons to be optimistic than any of the previous hires.
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Maybe for you but the majority of people thought the managers were the best thing since sliced bread when they signed including fans, ex players and people at United including Sir Alex. Same as they are saying about Ten Haag now. As you say looks good on paper but so do a sht load of other managers that failed.
 
UpWithRivers said:
Maybe for you but the majority of people thought the managers were the best thing since sliced bread when they signed including fans, ex players and people at United including Sir Alex. Same as they are saying about Ten Haag now. As you say looks good on paper but so do a sht load of other managers that failed.
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No one in their right mind thought Moyes, Rangnick or Solskjaer was good enough to manage United. Van Gaal and Mourinho maybe but there were doubts about whether they were both past their peak, later found to be true.
 
UpWithRivers said:
Maybe for you but the majority of people thought the managers were the best thing since sliced bread when they signed including fans, ex players and people at United including Sir Alex. Same as they are saying about Ten Haag now. As you say looks good on paper but so do a sht load of other managers that failed.
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Many also wanted Rodgers, some probably still do. I'd take forum opinions with a pinch of salt.
 
Not that it really concern us or we care much, but any rumour or talk as a replacement for Ten Hag from Ajax themselves or from the Dutch media? Ten Hag to United could be closer than we thought if Ajax have a ready named replacement
 
UpWithRivers said:
Maybe for you but the majority of people thought the managers were the best thing since sliced bread when they signed including fans, ex players and people at United including Sir Alex. Same as they are saying about Ten Haag now. As you say looks good on paper but so do a sht load of other managers that failed.
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I would say that the fans were hopeful with each managerial appointment and certainly got behind them once they were announced, but there were also a lot of worries. Most didn't want Moyes until Fergie personally backed him, Mourinho had been showing serious signs of decline for the last 4 or so years with an increasingly speedy fall-out with the players and club (the hope was that he just needed more backing than Real/Chelsea showed him) and Solksjaer was completely untested at any top level and only got the job because of history with the club. LVG is probably the only one that had a fairly strong fan support without too many negatives before it was actually confirmed, but even he hadn't been particularly successful at club level for a while.

Ten Haag would be the first time we've signed a manager who truly seems to be on the way up. It may not work out, but I do think it's markedly different than the choices we've made before.
 
Shark said:
Even if we finish outside the top four in our first two seasons under him, at least unlike Ole and Moyes we should see a genuine improvement and plan on the pitch as long as he's allowed to clear out the rubbish and bring in some genuinely intelligent players in the Sancho mold. This would be the first manager since SAF was sacked that I'll happily give time to because he's the first actual up and coming young manager we've hired if you ignore us hiring a rookie from Molde.
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Sacking fergie was our biggest mistake...
 
UpWithRivers said:
Maybe for you but the majority of people thought the managers were the best thing since sliced bread when they signed including fans, ex players and people at United including Sir Alex. Same as they are saying about Ten Haag now. As you say looks good on paper but so do a sht load of other managers that failed.
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That's quite a big exaggeration. Taking this forum for example:

With Moyes it goes without saying there was immense scepticism around the idea of him as a prospective United manager. Multiple other managers were preferred. With Van Gaal the forum was split between 40% wanting him, 20% not wanting him and 40% not sure. And with Mourinho there was a very polarised opinions, as seen here and here.

What actually happened is that once it was clear those managers would be appointed there was a swell of support in their favour. Which is when 75% concluded LVG was "the best of what's available" and 90% were happy or somewhat happy with Mourinho's appointment.

But those managers were far from being seen as the best thing since sliced bread in advance of their appointment and none had the support in advance that ETH enjoys as a candidate. The candidates who actually had that kind of support back then were the likes of Pep and Klopp, who were the favoured across multiple years.
 
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Grande said:
I seem to remember you wrote that the manager should chose his staff, and also that Fletcher should retain his current role. All in response to a made up rumour that United wants an ex red as an assistant manager. This is confusing.

Are you now saying that no former United player should be allowed in any part of the staff what so ever, even if the new manager asks for it?

It seems to me that the logic is ‘this was a permanent feature during our eight barren years, so it probably was the cause of the barrenness’. IMO that is both illogic and would mean that we should also avoid using boots, shins, shorts and not to mention players, four permanent fearures of the barren years.
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Good laugh at the very least.

I was under the impression Fletcher was staying away from the player staff and his role was between the academy and senior team - at least when he first came in.

I don’t think we should insist on keeping ex players is the obvious and clear point. If the manager insists they are useful then carry on.
 
RedDevilRoshi said:
Anyone reckon this will be announced soon or will we be haggling over the £5M compensation package all summer?
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It's going to be most likely like Mourinho in LvG's final season. Everyone will know the deal is done, but we'll wait till the season is other to make an official announcement.
 
Fortitude said:
How unprofessional and destabilising for his current club to be releasing this stuff whilst they have so much to play for? It's also stupid in the extreme with regard to our own campaign as our bunch might completely down tools off the back of the information.

Lock the man down and keep it quiet.
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Impossible in this digital age. Plus, other clubs are surely interested in him as well. I agree though, it’s not good for either club at this stage of the season. Just unavoidable unless we waited until the season is over and we risk losing him to another club. Speculation of course.
 
sullydnl said:


Probably been posted already but an interessting little thread with some tactical details.
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I think this is the most important tweet in that thread.

If United hire Ten Hag, he needs the backing - both financially and in terms of patience and loyalty from the club and fanbase - to seriously turn over the roster. He will get sniped at anonymously by star players who don't fit his system, he will get attacked by people in the media like Neville who wanted Pochettino, and he will be immediately questioned if results are not great while the changes are occurring.

 
UpWithRivers said:
Maybe for you but the majority of people thought the managers were the best thing since sliced bread when they signed including fans, ex players and people at United including Sir Alex. Same as they are saying about Ten Haag now. As you say looks good on paper but so do a sht load of other managers that failed.
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Not one poster would have said Van Gaal or Jose were either at their peak, or on the way up though.

Moyes was a sad time. Grown men weeping and trying to pretend it was a good move, with zero evidence it could even possibly be.
Ole was a morale boost that ended up going so surprisingly well at the start that the board and a lot of us thought we had to give it a go.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
What a weird and bizarre thing to write. I have literally not heard or seen anyone call Ten Haag young :lol: seems like the Ten Hag haters are already angry :lol:
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It's not that they hate ETH it's that they love Pochettino so much for some reason
 
Grande said:
Yes andno and yes. He has his playing experience, training badges and initial coaching and managing development all in The Netherlands. At the same time, he has been said to eagerly pick influences from other football traditions, particularily the German and the Spanish, and has not veen afraid of messing with the Duch or Ajax formulas. Then again, Pep is from the Duch philosophy himself as developed under Cruyff and Van Gaal (two very different philospophies, mind) at Barca.
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he's got a good footballing experience/development and background under some real influential coaches.....his age is good as well.
 
UpWithRivers said:
You cant claim he is much better than anyone since Fergie retired. All the managers hired were seen at the time to be top managers including Moyes by SIr Alex himself. Its easy with hindsight to say they were sht. Ten Haag looks like a good manager but we wont know until he's managed us for a few years so who knows but its not an open goal getting Ten Haag. He is a risk. More so than say Conte or a proven manager at the top level not the Dutch league.
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its an interesting one. His cv isnt huge but he is more current. Van Gaal and JM were definetely yesterdays men in terms of the sort of football etc they played, but obviously were good coaches with strong cvs. Ajax looked technically and tactically ridiculous against Dortmund in the CL. I dont rate the dutch league so not commenting too much on that. But we need to appoint someone, and there isnt lots available, but this could just as easily be a De Boer to Palace situation, or it could be a great appointment.
 
I'm not saying Ten Hag as manager will be guaranteed a success, while I have to admit Pochettino is still good manager but on paper Ten Hag shows something more impressive than Pochettino at the moment IMO.
  1. Ten Hag has more clear idea than Poch. I'm not even sure what is Poch's football. All I know is his football at Spurs was high pressing with attacking full backs, that's it. While Ten Hag idea is similar to Pep and that ''Jamie Scott'' posted on Twitter about it so I don't need to post the same thing here.
  2. Just like Poch, Ten Hag can develop players but I'm more impressed with the way how he was able to turn Haller (currently 2nd top scorers in CL) into Lewandowski in the CL this season. We are talking about a manager who has Tadic as his best player and Haller as his main striker. Two flops in PL and he managed to use them to play good football as a team. For the resources Ten Hag had, I think he did better than Poch at Spurs.
To me these two things what impressed me more about Ten Hag than Poch. Although, I have bit of question mark with his plan B. Because it seems he tends to stick with plan A a lot even when his team is a goal down or taking a lead. But this is something a manager can develop. Look at Rangnick for example, he admit it was his mistake not to change formation to protect the lead vs Aston Villa, since then he always bring another CB when he wants to protect the lead in the last 15 minutes.
 
People need to get over the fact we’re not getting pochettino :lol: I’m sure everyone wants us to fail. Ten Hag will bring a new philosophy, he’s on the up, where as pochettino is on the decline. Pochettinos Chance has gone, if it was meant to be it would of happened already but I don’t think he’ll ever manage us. If we get ten Hag I can see him being with us for 3+ years… first year will be the start of the rebuild, second year we will probably be challenging. Hope this doesn’t backfire on me now and we appoint pochettino.
 
Powderfinger said:
I think this is the most important tweet in that thread.

If United hire Ten Hag, he needs the backing - both financially and in terms of patience and loyalty from the club and fanbase - to seriously turn over the roster. He will get sniped at anonymously by star players who don't fit his system, he will get attacked by people in the media like Neville who wanted Pochettino, and he will be immediately questioned if results are not great while the changes are occurring.

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The bit I found most interesting was the description of the demands placed on his defenders in possession:





Then I try to imagine our back five operating like that.....
 
Reapersoul20 said:
Neville literally posted that he'd prefer Poch over Ten Hag on Twitter about 2 hours ago.

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Fair play to him for at least recognising that most fans would rather roll the dice on Ten Hag. A lot of the time he just likes to position himself as the voice of the fanbase.
 
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