Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

USREDEVIL said:
If United don't hire Ten Hag, i'm expecting a huge amount of blow back.
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There will be huge criticism if it’s Pochettino or Ten Hag.

Majority of the fans want Ten Hag, if we get him people will say the club is clueless for not getting someone proven and giving in to fan pressure. Pundits will dismiss him and big up Pochettino.

If we sign Pochettino it will be clueless owners going for the guy who was sacked so they didn’t have to pay a buy out clause. Bottlejob, spurs reject etc. Pundits will say Pochettino isn’t the right fit for United and already showed he struggles with big expectations like at PSG.

Either way both will struggle at the start until they adapt and I’m sure the shit will come thick and fast as always
 
UNITED ACADEMY said:
I'm not saying Ten Hag as manager will be guaranteed a success, while I have to admit Pochettino is still good manager but on paper Ten Hag shows something more impressive than Pochettino at the moment IMO.
  1. Ten Hag has more clear idea than Poch. I'm not even sure what is Poch's football. All I know is his football at Spurs was high pressing with attacking full backs, that's it. While Ten Hag idea is similar to Pep and that ''Jamie Scott'' posted on Twitter about it so I don't need to post the same thing here.
  2. Just like Poch, Ten Hag can develop players but I'm more impressed with the way how he was able to turn Haller (currently 2nd top scorers in CL) into Lewandowski in the CL this season. We are talking about a manager who has Tadic as his best player and Haller as his main striker. Two flops in PL and he managed to use them to play good football as a team. For the resources Ten Hag had, I think he did better than Poch at Spurs.
To me these two things what impressed me more about Ten Hag than Poch. Although, I have bit of question mark with his plan B. Because it seems he tends to stick with plan A a lot even when his team is a goal down or taking a lead. But this is something a manager can develop. Look at Rangnick for example, he admit it was his mistake not to change formation to protect the lead vs Aston Villa, since then he always bring another CB when he wants to protect the lead in the last 15 minutes.
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Tadic was not a flop in the PL by any stretch.
 
sullydnl said:
Then I try to imagine our back five operating like that.....
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Yeah, it would an utter horrorshow. Our current defence can't even do simple things like track runners or communicate well enough to make sure that there aren't 5 defenders for 3 attackers and one of the attackers is still free. I have no idea how much of this is on Ole but my god we are so god damn awful at the basics that I think poor Rangnick has basically been running a creche and trying to re-teach them the basics of football.
 
V.O. said:
Fair play to him for at least recognising that most fans would rather roll the dice on Ten Hag. A lot of the time he just likes to position himself as the voice of the fanbase.
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Yeah, fair play to him for not ignoring the results of his own poll 3 hours ago.
 
sullydnl said:
The bit I found most interesting was the description of the demands placed on his defenders in possession:





Then I try to imagine our back five operating like that.....
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We're going to be in for a pretty terrible time while he works on this shit aren't we?

It'll be a repeat of Maguire v Atleti performance, but across our entire back four. To me it was clear that Maguire has been asked to be aggressive and track their forwards when they drop and try to nip the ball pinged in from the back. But the moments that he chose to do it and what the rest of the defence did when he did go didn't inspire any confidence at all.
 
amolbhatia50k said:
I don't know why everyone calls him a flop. He was really good in the PL too.
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Yeah, it's stupid. They've seen what he's done at Ajax and decided he's a flop because he didn't do that at Southampton. Like saying Van Dijk flopped at Liverpool.
 
sullydnl said:
That's quite a big exaggeration. Taking this forum for example:

With Moyes it goes without saying there was immense scepticism around the idea of him as a prospective United manager. Multiple other managers were preferred. With Van Gaal the forum was split between 40% wanting him, 20% not wanting him and 40% not sure. And with Mourinho there was a very polarised opinions, as seen here and here.

What actually happened is that once it was clear those managers would be appointed there was a swell of support in their favour. Which is when 75% concluded LVG was "the best of what's available" and 90% were happy or somewhat happy with Mourinho's appointment.

But those managers were far from being seen as the best thing since sliced bread in advance of their appointment and none had the support in advance that ETH enjoys as a candidate. The candidates who actually had that kind of support back then were the likes of Pep and Klopp, who were the favoured across multiple years.
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great post. thanks
 
VeevaVee said:
Why would they do that though? Rangnick is staying on so they have plenty to fight for. Not that they have been doing anyway
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I can't help but weigh up the pros and cons of an early release of such information and it have more negative connotations than positive. I'd wonder how many times it's happened and had a net positive, or even had players continue to maintain their level.

Re. The bolded. I think a number of our players know they won't be moved on easily because their contracts are ridiculous and few clubs will take that on. Downing tools on Rangnick wouldn't have particularly severe consequences for a number of them because their still bound by the contracts we signed them to no matter what happens.

We lack professionalism as it is; news like this, I can't see how it could be a good thing.
 
TsuWave said:
you guys need to let go of this passion/care about the shirt nonsense. We just need good players.

you’re crazy if you think the guys kicking ball at City care/cared for the shirt. They are just good players, with a great manager and in a system designed to succeed
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You don't need to be a badge kissing, United til I die etc nut. We've had plenty of good players who have downed tools when things have gone wrong. There is clear as day some are stinking that dressing room out and causing drama when the focus should be on becoming a cohesive unit with a joint aim.

If they pulled this at City or Liverpool they'd get shown the door.
 
Fortitude said:
I can't help but weigh up the pros and cons of an early release of such information and it have more negative connotations than positive. I'd wonder how many times it's happened and had a net positive, or even had players continue to maintain their level.

Re. The bolded. I think a number of our players know they won't be moved on easily because their contracts are ridiculous and few clubs will take that on. Downing tools on Rangnick wouldn't have particularly severe consequences for a number of them because their still bound by the contracts we signed them to no matter what happens.

We lack professionalism as it is; news like this, I can't see how it could be a good thing.
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Maybe yeah. Maybe the news of a quality manager coming could raise spirits though. I wouldn’t hold my breath it having a noticeable effect with this lot of course
 
L1nk said:

We need to get the offer in now
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Ok, I know we're a bit down on our luck at the moment, but who are these clowns kidding? United is still an absolute juggernaut in football and can offer Ten Hag virtually unlimited resources to fulfil his vision. Ajax can't offer even 1% of what United can offer him.
 
L1nk said:

We need to get the offer in now
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This is what we want him to say. Because he cannot just come in and be another pawn. His way or the highway is the only route to success..

convincing means get the f outa my way and give me what I need or I ain’t coming
 
USREDEVIL said:
This is what we want him to say. Because he cannot just come in and be another pawn. His way or the highway is the only route to success..
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Yeah, it's clear the club is not set up correctly as evidenced by the past 10 years. If he feels the club are not going to give him what he believes is required to succeed then he should walk away. That's what a competent professional does.
 
Hansi Fick said:
PSG and Real? Didn't hear anything about him taking Spanish and French lessons though.
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He will be booted out of these two clubs with the first CL collapse. If he is scared of the United managerial environment. Then he should think of the countless numbers of managers who saw there careers shredded at these two clubs.
 
Giggsyking said:
He will be booted out of these two clubs with the first CL collapse. If he is scared of the United managerial environment. Then he should think of the countless numbers of managers who saw there careers shredded at these two clubs.
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No one things about failure though. Poch probably thought he would win the sextuple at PSG.
 
ManchesterManchester said:
What a weird and bizarre thing to write. I have literally not heard or seen anyone call Ten Haag young :lol: seems like the Ten Hag haters are already angry :lol:
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L1nk said:
It's not that they hate ETH it's that they love Pochettino so much for some reason
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The argument is that ETH is older than Poch by 2 years. As such he can't be "a young and up and coming manager".

And yet the same people in another sentence will tell you that Poch still hasn't reached his ceiling. He still has ways to go before he reaches his peak.

It silly and bizzare really.
 
I understand United fans want ETH, which is fine, but the hate on Poch is absolutely insane. For Neville favors Poch, he has no say anyway and it is just a matter of preference.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
I understand United fans want ETH, which is fine, but the hate on Poch is absolutely insane. For Neville favors Poch, he has no say anyway and it is just a matter of preference.
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Mate, United are expected to win things, as if in major trophies.

You support Arsenal. You wouldn't understand.
 
First time he are hiring a manager that is overachieving and has a set style since SAF. People on here were disappointed when Ajax went out to Benfica but that is the ETH effect as Ajax on paper are not better than Benfica and even has Haller scoring 33 this season 11 in CL.

They won their 6 CL group games something we never done and have conceded 13 goals in 27 games in the league. Their squad is good but the manager definitely makes them look better
 
432JuanMata said:
First time he are hiring a manager that is overachieving and has a set style since SAF. People on here were disappointed when Ajax went out to Benfica but that is the ETH effect as Ajax on paper are not better than Benfica and even has Haller scoring 33 this season 11 in CL.

They won their 6 CL group games something we never done and have conceded 13 goals in 27 games in the league. Their squad is good but the manager definitely makes them look better
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Keep talking :D
 
Other people have mentioned it but EtH would require massive funds and the remaining players to buy into his progressive vision. That might be a hard sell. Think about how difficult the club has found it to shift some of the players here over the years and then imagine the necessary clear out.

Personally i'd like to see United go in a new direction so I'm all for this, i just worry that the set up for EtH to succeed might not be in place and that Poch might be a better fit for the players that are here.
 
PSG or Real? Surely it would be a similar challenge at those clubs to implement his style as it would be at United? And they are definitely not more patient than us.
Someone said above he doesn’t get the hate Poch gets. I don’t think anyone hates him, it’s just that with him we kind of know what we’ll get. With ETH it could either be bad and he can’t successfully make the step up, or he can and actually succeeds. We have to hire someone so let’s give him a chance.
 
Irwin99 said:
Other people have mentioned it but EtH would require massive funds and the remaining players to buy into his progressive vision. That might be a hard sell. Think about how difficult the club has found it to shift some of the players here over the years and then imagine the necessary clear out.

Personally i'd like to see United go in a new direction so I'm all for this, i just worry that the set up for EtH to succeed might not be in place and that Poch might be a better fit for the players that are here.
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That's not necessarily true. Every team he has managed he created the core from an already existing group: Go Ahead Eagles, Utrecht and Ajax and he plugs the holes with academy graduates and free transfers.

I do see though a couple of players being moved on that don't fit his style on top of our current exodus. AWB, De Gea and probably Maguire will be shifted in the upcoming windows.
 
ThierryHenry14 said:
I understand United fans want ETH, which is fine, but the hate on Poch is absolutely insane. For Neville favors Poch, he has no say anyway and it is just a matter of preference.
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It is OTT. What he did at Spurs was impressive: i mean it's Spurs for feck's sake, getting to a champions league final is insane for that club and Jose and Conte have struggled despite their pedigree. PSG also seems a very difficult club to manage.

Where ETH seems to offer people hope that we can be a more technical side.
Caesar2290 said:
That's not necessarily true. Every team he has managed he created the core from an already existing group: Go Ahead Eagles, Utrecht and Ajax and he plugs the holes with academy graduates and free transfers.

I do see though a couple of players being moved on that don't fit his style on top of our current exodus. AWB, De Gea and probably Maguire will be shifted in the upcoming windows.
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Hope that's the case. It'll be different managing a club like United with the egos in our dressing room I feel. Wonder how well he'd get on with Ronaldo who seems to be staying an extra year?
 
Irwin99 said:
It is OTT. What he did at Spurs was impressive: i mean it's Spurs for feck's sake, getting to a champions league final is insane for that club and Jose and Conte have struggled despite their pedigree. PSG also seems a very difficult club to manage.

Where ETH seems to offer people hope that we can be a more technical side.

Hope that's the case. It'll be different managing a club like United with the egos in our dressing room I feel. Wonder how well he'd get on with Ronaldo who seems to be staying an extra year?
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That Spurs run was a run from the gods though with Ajax throwing it away. Ajax really should have been in that final
 
cyberman said:
That Spurs run was a run from the gods though with Ajax throwing it away. Ajax really should have been in that final
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Even still that Spurs side finished top 4 consistently under Poch and don’t since. I’m all ETH > Poch but he still be a good appointment
 
He's bigger risk than Pochettino. Could prove to be excellent for us or a failure and not good enough for Premier league level. Either way, we'll see. 9 years of failure made us all stronger mentally so failing once again wouldn't be a catastrophe for us like it was in first few years after Fergie retired.
 
Let's be honest, the vast majority would be happy with either Pochettino or Ten Haag. Both are massive steps up from anything we've had in recent years. I'm happy with either, with my preference being Ten Haag.
 
Irwin99 said:
It is OTT. What he did at Spurs was impressive: i mean it's Spurs for feck's sake, getting to a champions league final is insane for that club and Jose and Conte have struggled despite their pedigree. PSG also seems a very difficult club to manage.
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People seems only judge Poch for his work in PSG, and not give him any credit of his experience in EPL, work he had done with Spurs and Southampton, and also his experience manage dressing room with star players from Kane to Neymar, Mbappe and Messi. It is fine for the fans to prefer ETH, but i just don't get the hate on Poch.
 
Irwin99 said:
Hope that's the case. It'll be different managing a club like United with the egos in our dressing room I feel. Wonder how well he'd get on with Ronaldo who seems to be staying an extra year?
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I think he will love Cristiano. ETH is all about creating half spaces using decoy runs and then exploiting the said space. Ronaldo even in his current form is one of the best in the world at doing just that. He is a master at dragging defenders out of position, but also a master of running into these open spaces.

The problem is our team hasn't been coached to exploit this. That's why we look so inefficient in front of goal.
 
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