Thing is, while the concerns over the squad are correct, our managers tend to get to sign 5-6 first teamers in the first two years. Isn't that should to improve the teams mentality/quality significantly? It's a bit funny blaming mentality when you sign so many of the bad apples yourself.
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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I guess it's common knowledge for Ajax that he is leaving at the end of the season?
I think the players are on the side of being chopped more than the manager. Some of these professionals have played under three different managers with no positive progress. If ETH is thought to have five years at the helm I wouldn't worry about the players at present. They will have to raise their level or be sold. The direction the club are going in and Ragnicks comments seem to suggest this.
Which is why it's important to do a complete refresh. Let go of players like Pogba and Lingard. It's time for a new squad with a new manager.
We haven’t had an actual high level manager since Mourinho and even he was a busted flush. So probably since Van Gaal.
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Hope there will be a bald feud at the top of the league next season
Except they haven’t.
I dread to think what his responsibilities would primarily be.
Yep, get the mould out of the dressing room irrespective of status and build a culture with a core of players who care about the shirt.
Why would they do that though? Rangnick is staying on so they have plenty to fight for. Not that they have been doing anyway
If their campaign goes off a cliff from here, we'd be sure to know this was the cause. I suppose they may rally in tribute, but it's such an unnecessary and compromising thing to do, for both sets of players and managers.
I understand it's a scoop, and scoop=clicks=cash, but it's so crass. And the uniformity of it suggests the club [ours] at the root of it. To what end?
Anyone reckon this will be announced soon or will we be haggling over the £5M compensation package all summer?
Giggs, Carrick and Fletcher have all been on our new managers staff. So yeah.
Agree. That is why his Ajax team works so well. They play like lions, making them better as a collective. A bit like how Liverpool is so succesfull.
Wouldn't shock me if we dont announce it until end of the season out of respect for Ajax.
ETH would be a great signing. But honestly, does it really matter with the board structure we have in place? Is anything really going to change in how we identify, recruit and sign players? I think we'll get a lot of insight to this on how the club deals with Rashford. Is he above the club or not? Will the board deal with the perpetual press leakers? Do we stop signing players to absurd contracts? Will they actually stand up for a manager over the players or just continue to scapegoat and replace them? Say what you want out Jose, and he did have to go at the end, but he was spot on about every player on the squad with their lack of mentality.
1600 followers, I wouldn't get too excited
Mourinho brought in Rui Faria, and when Faria left, he himself appointed Carrick.
Ole himself called Mike Phelan and asked him to join him.
Fletcher is not an assistant or a coach.
Rangnick has no former players coaching.
The club have not enforced former players as assistants on all of our managers, not by any stretch.
Think they did pressure LVG to have Giggs in his coaching setup, but besides that I agree - the claims of the club forcing ex players on managers is exaggerated.
didn't realize that Ten Hag spent two years at Munich working under Pep....here i thought his philosophy was more dutch based on his time spent in holland but from reading the articles, structured from his time spent with Pep
1938 was the last time United hired the right coach? Walter Crickmer was manager then, got us to 14th place in the last season before the War.
Everything is pointing towards, which is very exciting.
Those that have some doubts are justified. United is bugger than Ajax, the academy is (relatively) worse, the owners of United are detrimental to the club, our players lack qualities in different aspects of the game, and he hasn't won anything really outside of Holland.
I mainly watch football for entertainment and have developed a huge love for United since childhood. I am looking forward to his tenure as I think we will all enjoy football again.
ETH similarly to Guardiola/Klopp has a clear way how he wants to play the game. His vision and idea on football and how it is to be played is amazing, and he has shown that he is flexible and is able to translate this to his teams.
There are definitely new challenges that he would face, which he probably wouldnt by a better run club with a better squad. But as the intelligent man as I know him to be, he knows this too and he would trust to be able to overcome those. Hope that it will be announced soon. It is better for both Ajax and United probably as both teams kinda know that there will be a new manager next season. This helps to plan ahead.
Those that have some doubts are justified. United is bugger than Ajax, the academy is (relatively) worse, the owners of United are detrimental to the club, our players lack qualities in different aspects of the game, and he hasn't won anything really outside of Holland.
I mainly watch football for entertainment and have developed a huge love for United since childhood. I am looking forward to his tenure as I think we will all enjoy football again.
ETH similarly to Guardiola/Klopp has a clear way how he wants to play the game. His vision and idea on football and how it is to be played is amazing, and he has shown that he is flexible and is able to translate this to his teams.
There are definitely new challenges that he would face, which he probably wouldnt by a better run club with a better squad. But as the intelligent man as I know him to be, he knows this too and he would trust to be able to overcome those. Hope that it will be announced soon. It is better for both Ajax and United probably as both teams kinda know that there will be a new manager next season. This helps to plan ahead.
The perfect mix of Spanish tiki taka, German gegenpressing and Dutch total football
At least we're looking at a progressive, forward-thinking manager on the up where Ten Hag is concerned. Two Dutch league titles in 3 years (almost certain to win this year too), consistent CL runs every year, plays pleasing on the eye football whilst maintaining an excellent defensive record. All on a shoe-string budget and after losing key players yearly. He's earned his chance to manage a big club.
Also, take a look at the credentials of his predecessors. This is merely my opinion and not a professional assessment, but here goes:
Moyes - Biggest mistake in the clubs' history. Laughably out of his depth.
LVG - One of the greats in his day. Unfortunately, that day had long gone. Outdated.
Jose - Should have succeeded SAF. Three successive failures at his previous jobs were a warning sign. Outdated.
Ole - performed better than many gave him credit for, but ultimately out of his depth like Moyes.
So maybe the job is not a poisoned chalice after all. Maybe the club just got it wrong four times in succession. Ten Hag is unproven too, but he has shown that he can piss with the big boys in Europe, unlike Ole and Moyes before him. I've got a good feeling about him.
Does look like it'll be ten Hag
However a thought crossed my mind a couple of weeks ago that if United did want Pochettino, their best tactical play would be to make it seem that they're going for someone else. So that PSG sack him as they otherwise would have done and then United save themselves paying around £15m in compensation.
However a thought crossed my mind a couple of weeks ago that if United did want Pochettino, their best tactical play would be to make it seem that they're going for someone else. So that PSG sack him as they otherwise would have done and then United save themselves paying around £15m in compensation.
We also had Woodward as our CEO - probably the worst thing to have happened to the club in recent history. With him fecking off along with his bizarre adult Disneyworld FM fantasies, we might have a chance to finally get it right.
He expected Spurs to source a staff for him and that's why they didn't hire him last summer. He never carries a staff, the staff at Ajax was given to him save for one of his three assistant managers. He expects to be a head coach and focus on that primarily. Don't say you haven't been told/warned haha
Fair enough.
But I believe Ten Hag was the clubs' primary target to succeed Ole. I think he would have been appointed directly following Ole's sacking had he agreed to leave Ajax mid-season - which might be the reason for the delay in Ole's sacking. Either way, Ten Hag deserves credit for sticking with Ajax for the season.
Another big plus point.
You cant claim he is much better than anyone since Fergie retired. All the managers hired were seen at the time to be top managers including Moyes by SIr Alex himself. Its easy with hindsight to say they were sht. Ten Haag looks like a good manager but we wont know until he's managed us for a few years so who knows but its not an open goal getting Ten Haag. He is a risk. More so than say Conte or a proven manager at the top level not the Dutch league.
Of that I have no doubt. Unless the snakepit is cleared out every manager will fail.
The solution isn't just appointing a manager but also removing the toxic celebrity culture and player power by gutting the squad and establishing the managers authority by selling our lazy celebs and bringing in hardworking players.
Yes andno and yes. He has his playing experience, training badges and initial coaching and managing development all in The Netherlands. At the same time, he has been said to eagerly pick influences from other football traditions, particularily the German and the Spanish, and has not veen afraid of messing with the Duch or Ajax formulas. Then again, Pep is from the Duch philosophy himself as developed under Cruyff and Van Gaal (two very different philospophies, mind) at Barca.
Surely though, the penny has dropped with the execs, and with Murtough and Arnold in particular that if they genuinely do want success, that there has to be a clearout and a proper rebuild. The change has to come in the culture of the club and the manager is the best man to change that, but he has to be supported by the very top. If not, they genuinely might as well forget about any success and eventually see the income take a big hit.
But every manager has had an ex player or ex member of staff (Phelan) on their staff and it’s safe to say it hasn’t worked out. In my opinion. Not strictly assistant manager but on the back room staff. Nobody knows Fletchers role is yet he’s with Ralf who doesn’t even know what his role is.
It was easy to see with foresight they were shit. Moyes was a huge punt, someone who had no clue about how to grind out a league title, or compete with the European elite. Van Gaal was over the hill. Likewise Mourinho, with added toxicity. And I really don’t need to get into Ole’s (lack of) credentials, do I?
There’s absolutely no question that - on paper - Ten Haag is in a different league to his predecessors. Obviously on paper suitability only means so much but before he takes charge of a single game there’s already many more reasons to be optimistic than any of the previous hires.
Its all well and good blaming the club saying "we will never learn" why don't you take your own comment.
The fans wont learn will they? believing anything on twitter. Rio has within 24 hours come out and rubbished those claims.
That remains to be seen although the track record isn't great. The board sidelined mourinho when he highlighted the player culture and he stop giving a feck, ole was told to apologise to rashford and rangnick wasn't backed in the transfer market. So player power has reigned supreme across the tenure of three managers.
Hoisted by my own petard. Again.
I seem to remember you wrote that the manager should chose his staff, and also that Fletcher should retain his current role. All in response to a made up rumour that United wants an ex red as an assistant manager. This is confusing.
Are you now saying that no former United player should be allowed in any part of the staff what so ever, even if the new manager asks for it?
It seems to me that the logic is ‘this was a permanent feature during our eight barren years, so it probably was the cause of the barrenness’. IMO that is both illogic and would mean that we should also avoid using boots, shins, shorts and not to mention players, four permanent fearures of the barren years.