not only that but poch is coming off a bad year at tottenham and a pretty bang average stint at PSG.
Timing is important and I really don’t think now is poch stock is on the up.
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Timing is important and I really don’t think now is poch stock is on the up.
Can’t wait to see a welcome to Manchester United ten hag thread. The waiting is killing me. Just want it to get announced or something just so we’re not all disappointed and we know for sure who’ll be our manager next season. Has there been any reliable sources that have been linking us with him? Something that can give us a bit of hope. Don’t want it to come to may and we’re in talks with pochettino or something.
The fact he comparing them and claiming no one knows anything about Hag but him potter are on the same level.
I like potter but he not on that level. Guess hard to compare, different teams, leagues etc. So we will not know I guess but the body of work Hag has shown is clearly more impressive.
We could prob apply the same logic to all coach's and managers that if such and such had this or that they do the same job. We can only go on what we have seen so far, how the teams play, how they compare, how the managers speak etc, hag to me looks a more intense person with a clear winning mentality with how he speaks and conducts himself.
Hag and potter team aren't even copy carbon copies of how they play why find the comparison bit silly right now. Also Prob the worse time to even compare Potter, he on a horrendous run in the league at the moment, but I wouldn't hold that against him right now. I also think he is ready for a step up at a different club. Just don't think it is us.
Wikipedia is actually generally very reliable and highly rated among encyclopedias. This is obviously wrong though. The Dutch page says 6 goals in 54 appearances, which sounds more reasonable.
It anyway looks like someone is messing around with the English page. Now I'm checking it, the infobox is messed up (I get it as text with all the code; must be some bracket missing), and it also seems to say that Ten Hag is currently at United.
Whoever of you jokers is doing this should up their Wikipedia skills.
Are they any professionals/academics who rate wikipedia as a reliable research tool for citations?
I am sure Poch's philosophy is the school of Marcelo Bielsa, and of course he adds his own layers to it and change it to fit whatever condition or situation he is in. There is no way he can get Mbappe, Neymar and Messi to do any kind of pressing in PSG. It will never happen.
A manager that can't adapt? not a great sign.
I'm sure getting the 3 of them working in a team isn't easy, but they have more than enough quality to make up for it.
Which is why I'm surprised he took that poisoned chalice of a role in Paris
Well. Money is good. Tuchel took the job too.
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Mauricio Pochettino should earn, according to l'Equipe, approximately 525.000 euros net of tax per month (£467.000), not counting individual and group bonuses. As a monthly gross amount, this reaches 940.000 euros (£836.000). However, his salary is scalable. He should earn 625.000 euros net of tax (£556.000) starting next summer. This sum could reach 670.000 euros (£596.000) should the optional third year be activated. This makes him the highest paid coach in the history of Paris Saint-Germain.
I will never wrong him taking the job. That is net of tax. He will wait for the sack and pocket 20m dollars.
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Too right
Doesn’t seem like he’s 52 and a couple of years older than Pochettino.
Pochetinno has hardly had any time at PSG. A season and a half! How long did it take Pep to get city firing on all cylinders to his liking? Klopp at Liverpool? How much time are you willing to give Ten Hag before you turn on him if things don't go immediately as planned or if he fails to 'adapt'?
Issue isnt time. Its style of play. PSG and even totenham under poch had a style of play that depended on individuals too much. This is why psg look horrible if messi or neymar dont bring the magic. Same thing happened to poch at totemham when kane or son were out injured. Ten Hag has a style of play based on a system. Players just fit like cogs in that system...which is why Ten Hags teams always pass the eye test. They consistently look better than their opposition. Pep and klopp are the same.
Can never tell how good a manager really is though when managing psg to be fair, I bet mourinho would win the league with them. Forgot about what poch did for spurs and Southampton and how they played to be honest. He should get another season with psg to see if he can progress them in the champions league.
That's the whole point, that it's hard for most people to compare them fairly just because of the football most people happen to watch. Sure, some have extensively studied both coaches' past and current teams and can really compare their approaches and achievements; but the vast majority of them don't, and in the UK, most people will see very different types of games from Brighton and Ajax. So their comparisons would be unfair, and any conclusions drawn on their basis may be unreliable.
That's also more or less what you do here. How could Potter have achieved what he did in Sweden if he didn't have a winning mentality, for example? And why would Potter while managing Brighton (target: stay in the EPL, maybe surprise some people) speak like Ten Hag while managing Ajax (target: win the Eredivisie, go far in the CL)? That wouldn't make sense in his context. That's also what @Powderfinger said about playing styles. Ten Hag wouldn't be playing with such a dominant style if he were coaching at Go Ahead Eagles again.
I'm not trying to argue for or against Ten Hag btw; I'm just trying to follow the logic, and I think @Powderfinger has a point. (Or certainly isn't wrong enough to warrant the complete dismissal of your original post.) Although I would say that it's easier to judge how Ten Hag would fare on the highest stage since he got far in the CL. And as such, he's probably a safer bet.
(It's Ten Hag btw, not Hag. You can't leave that out in Dutch surnames.)
I don't know, I would certainly frown on it myself - but same with any general encyclopedia. My field of research was ancient history, and anyone quoting Wikipedia or the Encyclopedia Britannica or anything like that beyond the undergraduate level (or maybe just the first year of university) either has missed an important piece of education or can't be taken seriously. But then academics don't need to provide references for common knowledge, which is what entries in general encyclopedias normally provide. So this doesn't invalidate the usefulness of Wikipedia when I'm just looking up a factoid out of curiosity.
(Yes, I'm nerding out on this subject now.
)That's the whole point, that it's hard for most people to compare them fairly just because of the football most people happen to watch. Sure, some have extensively studied both coaches' past and current teams and can really compare their approaches and achievements; but the vast majority of them don't, and in the UK, most people will see very different types of games from Brighton and Ajax. So their comparisons would be unfair, and any conclusions drawn on their basis may be unreliable.
That's also more or less what you do here. How could Potter have achieved what he did in Sweden if he didn't have a winning mentality, for example? And why would Potter while managing Brighton (target: stay in the EPL, maybe surprise some people) speak like Ten Hag while managing Ajax (target: win the Eredivisie, go far in the CL)? That wouldn't make sense in his context. That's also what @Powderfinger said about playing styles. Ten Hag wouldn't be playing with such a dominant style if he were coaching at Go Ahead Eagles again.
I'm not trying to argue for or against Ten Hag btw; I'm just trying to follow the logic, and I think @Powderfinger has a point. (Or certainly isn't wrong enough to warrant the complete dismissal of your original post.) Although I would say that it's easier to judge how Ten Hag would fare on the highest stage since he got far in the CL. And as such, he's probably a safer bet.
(It's Ten Hag btw, not Hag. You can't leave that out in Dutch surnames.)
I don't know, I would certainly frown on it myself - but same with any general encyclopedia. My field of research was ancient history, and anyone quoting Wikipedia or the Encyclopedia Britannica or anything like that beyond the undergraduate level (or maybe just the first year of university) either has missed an important piece of education or can't be taken seriously. But then academics don't need to provide references for common knowledge, which is what entries in general encyclopedias normally provide. So this doesn't invalidate the usefulness of Wikipedia when I'm just looking up a factoid out of curiosity.
(Yes, I'm nerding out on this subject now.
Haha no worries that's a great response and I agree. It's frowned upon in academia but I do see the usefulness of Wikipedia for general research and what not.
I just know to add layers from different sources if I'm going on a deep dive on something extensive but the site is pretty good at presenting accurate information and weeding out silly edits and unfounded conspiracies.
How often do you watch PSG in Ligue 1 to come to that assertion over emphasis on individuality dependancy? Did you at least watch them in the CL? Did you watch them outplay Real Madrid in both legs of their knockout tie until they lost the plot in the last 45 minutes of the tie (same as Ajax did against Pochettino's Spurs in the semifinal of the 2019 champions league)?
Southampton under Pochettino weren't about individual play and neither were Spurs. They were units of teams which played greater than the sum of their parts, hence why so many average players flourished under Pochettino and got unprecedented moves to bigger clubs and national team call ups. I think you should refresh your memory on what Pochettino is all about, if you ever followed his sides that is
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they are still going with this english lessons bs 
That only makes sense if the only two modes that can be evaluated are bad or firing on all cylinders. Klopp and Pep actually got their teams to play strong and dangerous football almost immediately. The shape was clear, the offensive part was improving faster and getting better from the get go whereas the defensive part took more time and more investment to complete the whole. So this idea parroted by the likes of Roy Keane that it takes everyone time, neglects that within that time, evaluation can still be made.
I am not saying to discredit Poch, I just think it's a very flawed argument. I actually like Poch and think no one can manage that PSG side. They can actually play quite well and they did dominate Real for three quarters of that game but it's just a team that loses its shape and head too often and too easily and he, like many before him who were even bigger names failed to rectify that.
Hope we don't dilly dally too much. Clubs like RM and PSG may soon have openings too.
The fecking idiots managed to invite him to an interview and all they were concerned about was his TOEFL score.
Also I'm surprised we have other candidates to interview as well. Who could they be? Brendan Rodgers?
It is not as if he has to use his language skills to convince Boris Johnson of the most efficient energy policy. This is just silly. The club cannot be this silly. I think Brendan can talk a good game in English.
Hopefully it's close with ten Hag. The fact that rival fans on this forum are rattled is a good sign in itself.
Amount of changes we need him to make at United is huge. Hope we all are patient enough here.
We literally have zero midfield who would fit his style. Assuming Donny would take one spot, you still need a DM and a midfielder who can pass -
100m for 2.
We don't have a left footed right winger - assuming Anthony or Raphinha would come in .
50m minimum.
A striker who can hold the ball and finish.
50m minimum.
A left footed CB who can build from back- 50m minimum.
That's 250m .
Lingard, Pogba, Hendo,Jones, Cavani, Mata to leave . Hendo could give us 25m. So net amount to be spent - 200 - 225m
We literally have zero midfield who would fit his style. Assuming Donny would take one spot, you still need a DM and a midfielder who can pass -
100m for 2.
We don't have a left footed right winger - assuming Anthony or Raphinha would come in .
50m minimum.
A striker who can hold the ball and finish.
50m minimum.
A left footed CB who can build from back- 50m minimum.
That's 250m .
Lingard, Pogba, Hendo,Jones, Cavani, Mata to leave . Hendo could give us 25m. So net amount to be spent - 200 - 225m
These morons genuinely might asked him to take the toefl test before interview. Most of the Dutch people I met when I went there for holiday speak good enough English. I think it is compulsory subject in their school curicculum. The news around said we are looking to talk with Poch, Enrique, Lopetegui.
If this is the case, then an announcement cannot be close. Enrique especially is slightly busy for next two weeks.
No way PSG are appointing ETH. Doubt they'd want him and even if they did, it would be career suicide to go there for him. He won't get any time and the players won't listen to him.
With RM, he won't get much time there either.
I just don't see them as good fits for either teams
They (Spurs) weren't exciting to watch. You had a season, that's it. They had hype about being "attacking football", but were never like Pep or Klopp. If anyone suffers from relying on reputation, it's the side that defends Spurs under Poch as being a brand of attacking football.
I saw some interviews with him in English and it is absolutely fine. Reminds me very much of Pep in style.
Are you going to pretend Pochettino didn't spearhead the evolution of young players at the time like Kane, Dele Alli, Son, Christian Eriksen, Kyle Walker and Danny Rose? Even Chadli's numbers exponentially grew while under Pochettino before he eventually moved on.
He made Spurs title contenders within two seasons of being there while having them playing flowing attacking football. Yes it wasn't at the level of Klopp and Pep at their best but it was impressive nevertheless and it was filled with attacking intent as evidenced by the aforementioned players attacking stats improving with each season Pochettino was at Spurs save for his last.
Perhaps you're also forgetting they made White Hart lane a fortress and place of torture in their final season there, going unbeaten all season and setting a club record. The high press and attacking football was a feature of Spurs under Pochettino
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There is another thread under Man Utd for next manager already.
If I am Poch I will keep earning my salary with PSG, keep building good relationship with Mbappe, wait for the sack and the big payout from Leonardo, and then patiently wait for the opportunity in Real Madrid. There isn't a lot of elite coach left Real Madrid can choose from anyway with Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte currently not available.
If I am Poch I will keep earning my salary with PSG, keep building good relationship with Mbappe, wait for the sack and the big payout from Leonardo, and then patiently wait for the opportunity in Real Madrid. There isn't a lot of elite coach left Real Madrid can choose from anyway with Pep, Klopp, Tuchel and Conte currently not available.
It’s funny the media keep mentioning ETH’s English and don’t mention anything about English when talking about Poch. Has no one heard Poch’s English? The guy takes ages to complete a sentence.
Probably pochettino, maybe Enrique but that’s a no go because of the World Cup.
Can see conte leaving spurs though if he doesn’t get what he wants in the summer. Maybe he’ll go to Madrid at some point and poch back to spurs?
Yeah I do find this aspect amusing, whenever I hear Poch speak English its never exactly this wonderfully flowing dialogue, yet its Ten Hag's English which is apparently not good enough?
So according to Neville it’s definitely between them 2, got be ten Hag then surely. I think Neville is desperate for pochettino