The club can't bring themselves to do it. Look at Liverpool, there was always someone from the 70s/80s lurking around in the background whether it was Gonzo/Sammy Lee, they even brought back Dalglish in 2011, 21 years after their last title. Therefore I expect us to continue on with a similar trend for some time yet.
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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the problem is that, at most it seems, the only reported person that would come with ETH is 1 assistant, so other than that it seems he might not be bringing anyone. I wouldn’t be against RVP coming in to be honest. As much as I love Rio earn your stripes as a coach first, a pundit does not make a good coach
I don't mind him getting van Persie as an assistant. He's been coaching, doesn't talk shite, has high standards. Better than any of the other ones.
I wouldn’t mind RVP coming in. Obvious Dutch connection with Ten Hag, plus he has some coaching experience already and has a stature in the game that would command respect, players would look up to him.
I wouldn't say it was shit to be honest. We need someone the players know and respect, someone who's been there and done it for a club like United or United. We've seen what happens when respected but random coaches come in to the club and try to tell the players what to do. All of a sudden there's talk of CV's and Ted Lasso jokes.
Personally I'd threaten them with Keane as a first team coach if they want to start a CV discussion.
So is Van Der Sar a red flag also? What about Yorke? Trying to work out what is allowed and what isn't allowed on the Caf these days
I'd be happy for him to have Van Persie if that is what he decides. If it is something the club push for then it is a completely different story.
We want Erik ten Hag! We want Erik ten Hag! We want Erik ten Hag!
Erik ten Hag wants to bring in an ex-player. Boo! We want Erik ten Hag to do what we want him to do. We post on forums, we know what we're talking about.
Erik ten Hag wants to bring in an ex-player. Boo! We want Erik ten Hag to do what we want him to do. We post on forums, we know what we're talking about.
But they're surely Tuchel's and Klopp's staff picks right? From all accounts Ten Hag would only be bringing his assistant, we still need coaches. Most of ours left with Solskjaer
Would not mind RVP as additional ass man as long ETH bring his own too. He can be that bridge to our players and teach them a thing or two about playing for United. Fergie always had someone in that ilk during his reign
Anyone coming into an organisation that's never worked at said organisation needs someone who knows the culture, otherwise you're on to a loser right away.
Very good point. Pochettino has a big fan club among the British media. One article I read last week claimed Pochettino would bring the 'fear factor' back to Manchester United. I had a slight chuckle at that.
Why does everyone think this is true? its from Stretty news.
Firstly in business that is totally untrue. If Ten Haag is not capable of building relationships with the people at the club then there is a problem. Also a the culture is totally different to Van Persie's time and we need a manager to improve the culture not adapt to it and try to fit in.
In essence that is just wrong whichever way you cut it up.
I should’ve prefaced ‘if true’
Isn't the report that the club wants him to, not him?
Don't buy it.
Why would the board force an assistant on the new manager? It's undermining and would be an instant red flag to anyone considering taking on the job.
Yeah, most seem to have some connection to them.
I don't think hiring RVP who's working under another supposedly progressive manager would be a bad idea.
Ole never waved his arms
I don’t think some people understand what management is. And I mean fans/posters - not those that run a huge business. You can move whatever pieces you want around on a whiteboard but quite simply, management is about getting the best out of people. People can strop or throw their toys all they want, but those at the club are a million miles closer to the squad than us. Whatever happens, we are not going to throw 25 players in the bin this summer, and it is crucial that if Ten Hag is appointed that he stands the best chance of communicating his views to the players and they accept it. If a former player helps to bridge that gap then so be it. An Assistant Manager isn’t necessarily a coach, he just assists the manager. I can’t see why this is such an issue.
It depends if the place of work has an established culture. Chelsea for example, are a shell of a club that fills itself around the current manager, United will never be that.
Managers aren't the players friend, their job is to deliver instructions and manage people for the betterment of the team. You need someone to do the 'soft' stuff also, like talking to the players after they've been dropped, explaining in a different way what the manager is asking from them etc.
These players won't listen to a 'Ted Lasso' and for some reason have started scrutinising managers and coaches CV's despite not winning anything themselves. We need someone who the players will listen to when things aren't going well or they're unhappy.
But he loved an iPad.Ole never waved his arms
Kidd and Phelan would have been met with ridicule if they were appointed now
What about McLaren
They kind of have done that before and I think they'd love to shoehorn another legend in there, means they can keep posting highlight videos of the RvP season on SM etc.
Let him bring whoever he wants as backroom, oh and Eric Steele
This is where your mocking falls down. People have shown concern because it has been reported that the club would like ten Hag to bring in an ex-player. A not so subtle difference.
Phelan was met with ridicule and still is.
I find the waving arms thing quite interesting. If you remember, Ole sat on bench for 90% of his tenure - even when we were shit. Even when we were trailing by a goal or 2, he just sat on the bench.
I think that sends a different message to the players. The message that came across was he doesn't know what to do, or he doesn't care how badly we performed.
If true, we are a shambles.
Ffs. RVP would be cool, but come on? Give the man his actual assistant to choose himself.
Edit: the source is “Stretty News” tbf
Why?
I don't like it for two reasons:
1. It sounds like it's something the club wants and not the manager. Which is something that has caused us problems in the past. If ETH wants an ex player then fine, but it shouldn't be a board decision.
2. We're a bit obsessed with the past, similar to what we used to mock Liverpool for. We've had multiple ex players on the coaching staff previously and it clearly hasn't helped.
The nostalgia-heavy Solskjaer era has poisoned people somewhat to the idea of the club looking to involve former players in roles where possible but in truth it's something other clubs do too. The trick is in being able to identify which of your former players actually have the talent and temperament for given positions. If you can do that then they become a valuable resource.
In ETH's case the reports (including the ones when he was being linked to Spurs) have suggested he wasn't interested in bringing a lot of his current staff with him anyway, in which case there may well be room for the club to get someone they regard as a high-potential former player involved. Because they'd have to hire some people from somewhere.
The other key difference with the Solskjaer reign being that ETH is a hands-on coaching-orientated manager, so there would be likely be less delegation in that regard anyway. If you give your coaching staff as much authority as Ole seemed to give McKenna & Carrick then their level of expertise obviously matters more.
In ETH's case the reports (including the ones when he was being linked to Spurs) have suggested he wasn't interested in bringing a lot of his current staff with him anyway, in which case there may well be room for the club to get someone they regard as a high-potential former player involved. Because they'd have to hire some people from somewhere.
The other key difference with the Solskjaer reign being that ETH is a hands-on coaching-orientated manager, so there would be likely be less delegation in that regard anyway. If you give your coaching staff as much authority as Ole seemed to give McKenna & Carrick then their level of expertise obviously matters more.
The assistants of Erik Ten Hag should be up to Erik Ten Hag.
fecking love this place
Hasn't it been said he only brings one assistant with him, so there are other roles to fill. Just make sure they are Dutch ex- United players.
So you'd be fine with hiring Jaap Stam?
Yeah. Good point. There’s nothing strange, unusual or inherently negative about ex-players taking on various roles within the club. As you say, it’s basically the norm at top clubs everywhere. Including the club ATH currently manages.