We will appoint him and there will be massive fanfare. Then he will fail and the fans will come back and blame the board about how they lack direction (despite 90% of fans wanting this). Seen it play out with players loads over the years. Hopefully he breaks the cycle and actually makes us decent.
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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Come on this really isn’t important.
A manager is nothing but reputation till they actually win something and even then...serial winners are few and far between. Naglesmann is yet to prove he is much more than a good coach...Rose fell on his arse...But might come back stronger....Pep was the only sure thing of the last decade. Even Klopp was a question mark so I have no idea why anyone would reject the idea that ETH is not a good option.
I don’t know for sure what ETH can do but I can say with a fair bit of certainty that he is on an upward trajectory and has not peaked or reached his potential or in any way plateaud in terms of passion. His methods and philosophy in a bigger set up could go either way....but I would rather that rollercoaster. I think Poch has peaked...he peaked even before the CL final imo. Spurs under him at the end and now PSG look entirely pedestrian and uninspired. I just can’t look forward to that.
The name thing is obviously silly.
But I do think ETH benefits from being lesser known. People can easily wishcast him to be a potentially elite manager because they haven't actually seen much of his teams and even less of his other management skills (dealing with players, media, etc).
If you gave him and Potter the same players and resources, its not obvious at all to me that ETH does better. They play very similar tactics. Which one does the rest of the job better? I have no clue since I'm not following Ajax religiously for the last five years.
But I do think ETH benefits from being lesser known. People can easily wishcast him to be a potentially elite manager because they haven't actually seen much of his teams and even less of his other management skills (dealing with players, media, etc).
If you gave him and Potter the same players and resources, its not obvious at all to me that ETH does better. They play very similar tactics. Which one does the rest of the job better? I have no clue since I'm not following Ajax religiously for the last five years.
If there are coaches that can be classed as "messiah", there are only 3 of them in this world. One is retired (SAF), the two others are managing our rivals. Even then they need some time to work their magic and need a proper support from the board
I can understand our lazy players not wanting ten hag but what explains some of the fans not wanting ten hag ?
I was being sarcastic. My point is just because one manager has beat another it doesn't automatically make that manager better, it's possible to lose a match against the worst manager in a league, just as its possible to sometimes beat the best managers in the world. Some people argue that ETH isn't a better choice than Pochettino because Pochettino beat him that one time, which is what I think you are referring to, and not Guardiola in the CL semi... Not saying it isn't impressive but ETH has also beaten managers that Pochettino has lost to and vice versa. That one match shouldn't end the debate on who we should pick between them both
This is true, although it is also true that those who have seen lots of his teams and his other management skills, also believe him to be a potentially elite manager.
Surely there must be a minimum of two stages to a bottle job.
Firstly a "set up", creating a little bit of hope and promise, only for it to be followed by the inevitable and actual "bottle" later on.
I've just done the worst possible thing, I've been on Wikipedia. He scored 60 goals in 54 games for DeGraafshap as a Centre Back?!!!
Again.. what is the problem with the question?
You're jumping to conclusions that I'm saying I don't want him if he doesn't wave his arms about and shout at people.
I just noted that top managers now are quite animated on the touchline and wondered what ten Hag was like? How is there any problem with what I am asking?
If you don't know, which I guess you don't, then leave it
As Gandhi famously once said, don't believe everything you read on the internet.
I'd agree with you, but for me, Klopp was definitely a sure thing as he actually won things.
Similar with Ten Hag, he's also won things, amd gotten far in the Champions League with a small team (albeit historically huge).
Reckon Ten Hag will be a safer bet than Rose or Nagelsmann, I was just pointing out that people don't want him as he's "unproven".
Zero reason to not go for him. Back him up with Ragnick to support him and his footballing ideas. Let it roll.
can’t POSSIBLY be worse than we are right now.
can’t POSSIBLY be worse than we are right now.
/r/confidentlyincorrect
What stage are we at now? I'm currently at around half zipped, but not sure if thats about right.
Hope we snap him before Real start sniffing around. From what I've seen, Ancelotti's days are numbered.
Would they really sack him before the end of the season? I know Madrid are nuts but he's still comfortably leading in La Liga, and they're still in the Champions league after seeing off one of the favourites. Yeah the El Classico defeat was pretty awful, but it seems harsh to bin him before May, even by Real's standards.
Either way, I'd expect (hope) they'd probably go for Poch in the summer once he inevitably gets relieved of his duties at PSG.
In recent years when Man Utd want a manager or a player, 99% of the time there is zero competition. So relax.
Unless its Harry Maguire, good thing we won that race
i couldn't remember which club was in the race. It can't be City, right? He has zero in him to be a ball playing defender.Unless its Harry Maguire, good thing we won that race
Quietly confident about this. He’s jumped to number 1 favourites in the bookies. Pochettino was top for a while but been overtaken. Let’s get the Hag master in! The glory times will return!!
It does help having Van der Sar as a friend at Ajax.
I really do hope we are serious about him. Lots of positive noise right now - but it could be the club testing the waters with rumours. I've noticed they like to do that.
I really do hope we are serious about him. Lots of positive noise right now - but it could be the club testing the waters with rumours. I've noticed they like to do that.
Supposedly they were interested, something Maguire himself confirmed.
Not sure if its certain, and if so then I've never felt so regretful to win a race.
For once I hope The Glazers penny pinch
Anyway ETH is in the bag if Man Utd wants him. Man Utd is a one of the biggest club in the world and pay extremely well too. The pull is extremely strong.
I think any risk is worth it. There's a risk with any manager at this stage.
It would probably be the first manager we've gotten who isn't already past his prime.
It would probably be the first manager we've gotten who isn't already past his prime.
Potter's teams are quite slow / methodical though. I watch Brighton a decent bit because I like them but just the amount of slow methodical play makes LvG teams look like peak Liverpool.
Ten Hag's sides I watched in the bigger games in the CL and a couple of games in the dutch league - it's quite fast / vertical / high intensity.
I don't think that comes down to a simple budget thing either. Plenty of teams with small budgets play fast paced football.
And... he's not been in the limelight that much. There's a surprise element in him still.
Yep, sick of getting other club's sloppy seconds. New manager without baggage please.
He and VDS. Imagine that.
Wikipedia is actually generally very reliable and highly rated among encyclopedias. This is obviously wrong though. The Dutch page says 6 goals in 54 appearances, which sounds more reasonable.
It anyway looks like someone is messing around with the English page. Now I'm checking it, the infobox is messed up (I get it as text with all the code; must be some bracket missing), and it also seems to say that Ten Hag is currently at United.
Whoever of you jokers is doing this should up their Wikipedia skills.
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I think its intentional on Potter's part but it is related to his budget relative to the rest of the league. Brighton and Ajax play very similarly in terms of positional play, the structure of build up, passing relationships, etc. And they are both high pressing teams out of possession. But Brighton definitely use possession more defensively and less adventurously, to assert more control over matches, because the teams they face are just a lot better than the teams Ajax faces in their league. Most teams in the PL have more talent than Brighton, and certainly much more talented attackers who will make the difference in an end-to-end match.
I'm sure there are tactical differences but they are both from within the same general school tactically and both are very highly respected by the leading figures within that school like Guardiola. To the extent that one may be a better manager than the other, its very unlikely to stem from some massive difference in their understanding or implementation of football tactics, and much more likely to stem from one being better at doing things like identifying players, developing young players, managing personalities, etc.
Ten Hag is now the bookies' favourite by a wide margin to become United's next manager!
This is a stark change from the past few months where Poch had a wide lead.
I think (hope) someone at the club knows something.
This is a stark change from the past few months where Poch had a wide lead.
I think (hope) someone at the club knows something.
Severe lack of knowledge in this post.
Assuming no one has a clue about Hag, but at same time the work him and potter have done is on the same pegging. Totally nonsense and way off the mark
I think people misunderstand why a lot of fans want ETH rather than the more proven Pochettino.
For years this club has lurched from manager to manager without any underlying philosophy. The club, managerial appointment, squad building were all done without any clear idea of how we wanted to play and function as a club.
This club needs a playing philosophy. Scream "United Way" all you want, we do not have one. Pochettino, despite starting out with a clear tactical identity had already started to drift before he left Spurs. He started to compromise, defending deep at times, sacrificing the ball and not pressing as much.
I know cynical people don't like the sound of it but we need a "philosophy" coach. A coach that won't compromise on his playing ideals and a club willing to back those ideals
Ten Hag is a hope that the club is heading in that direction. We employed Rangnick and hopefully, Ten Hag. There's a flint of hope the club is trying to instil a playing identity and that's what Ten Hag represents.
For years this club has lurched from manager to manager without any underlying philosophy. The club, managerial appointment, squad building were all done without any clear idea of how we wanted to play and function as a club.
This club needs a playing philosophy. Scream "United Way" all you want, we do not have one. Pochettino, despite starting out with a clear tactical identity had already started to drift before he left Spurs. He started to compromise, defending deep at times, sacrificing the ball and not pressing as much.
I know cynical people don't like the sound of it but we need a "philosophy" coach. A coach that won't compromise on his playing ideals and a club willing to back those ideals
Ten Hag is a hope that the club is heading in that direction. We employed Rangnick and hopefully, Ten Hag. There's a flint of hope the club is trying to instil a playing identity and that's what Ten Hag represents.
Not sure where the severe lack of knowledge lies? It's very likely most people on here, and especially the English football press and pundits that drive a lot of the conversation, see more of and read more about Brighton than Ajax. So yes, it might help that people don't see Ten Hag's Ajax play Heracles, Go Ahead Eagles, or RKC, but do see Potter's Brighton play Burnley, Everton, and Wolves - all tricky fixtures where it's difficult to come away looking good except with a clear victory. Just as most of these same people often discuss Potter as if he's only been at Brighton, ignoring his amazing record at Östersund and good work at Swansea.
And so as a result, it's not 'out there' to say that there is no 100% clear evidence that Ten Hag would do better than Potter if given the exact same resources and situation. The only thing you could say is that Ten Hag has shown it in a higher (Champions League) and more demanding (having to win the league) setting - but that doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.
(I suppose you could add that the styles are also a bit more different than @Powderfinger says here - but he/she did point out in the follow-up post that this may be a deliberate decision by Potter given the situation he's in at Brighton.)
Wave their arms. So nothing to do with the in game management or tactics. Right ? Just flapping their arms just for the sake of it. Right ? That’s what you meant. Correct ? If not then don’t be disingenuous about it atleast.
Also, why all the best managers in the world happened to be the ones who wave their arms ?
Guardiola. Check
Klopp. Check
Tuchel. Check
Conte. Check
Simeone. Check
Whilst it’s not just the only quality to hire someone yet it’s an important one in today’s game to give constant instructions to your players and keep them on alert in the match. Did you think for a second that it might be more than just waving their arms ? Given your thoughtless post I think not. I give you another chance. Think again.
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