By winning stuff at other clubs?
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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The only fan base not to fully grasp this yet. Playing style = long term results.
I keep alluding to the possibility, largely cause I think it's an interesting showdown and it involves someone we have reason to be following, but If PSV do pip them to both the league and the cup, would people be concerned about that?
I think I would a bit. More in a 'reputational damage is bad for a manager' than a 'it's a sign he's not that good' way.
I think coming from the Dutch league there's always gonna be questions as to if you're really qualified and you need a very good record to minimise those. A season that ends in failure to finish would worsen things significantly on that front.
I think I would a bit. More in a 'reputational damage is bad for a manager' than a 'it's a sign he's not that good' way.
I think coming from the Dutch league there's always gonna be questions as to if you're really qualified and you need a very good record to minimise those. A season that ends in failure to finish would worsen things significantly on that front.
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Him or any other manager that comes won't face a problem where the club lacks money to sign players or lacks trophies in recent years (bad records). That's not a problem, any manager worthy of the job can fix those even if it takes time, if everyone works together. The big problem is that he joins and will find players like Maguire, Shaw, Rashford, Lingard, Pogba ready to leak news to the media once they're unhappy with him for whatever reason. I would also count Ronaldo in that group if he's still here next season. Basically the club has become one big player showdown for their own image.
I took his comments more that United would have made their final decision and that it would become common knowledge who the next manager will be, but not necessarily that it'll be signed off. Not sure Ajax for example would want that coming out in the midst of their title push.
Yeah, I would be a bit concerned personally. Again, I think there's a bit of a dearth in quality managers (not already tied down to lucrative jobs) so I'd probably still be relatively happy if we appointed him but there would be much bigger question marks.
I think if it’s his final season, with Overmars gone and the players knowing he’s going, then he gets leeway. Hard to motivate players for a manager that’s leaving.
I mean, I know you'll say it's just the Dutch league but Klopp in his final season ended up 7th in the league with a 38% win rate in the league despite doing well for the seasons before that, would you have turned him down because of that?
This guy strikes me as the only possible candidate that could stand up to and possibly compete with Klopp and Pep. Not saying he will do but I just get the feeling he may. I don’t get that feeling with any other manager out there apart from perhaps Simeone, but I don’t see him leaving the comfort zone of Athletico Madrid any time soon.
He had a ridiculous amount of injuries to deal with and had years of his team being picked apart. I'm not sure if Ten Hag shares any of these difficulties or not but context is fairly important.
I definitely would have. In fact, even after Klopp had got Liverpool playing well - after that season they finished on a really high points total but couldn't catch City - I was expecting them to burn out and drop off dramatically like Dortmund did.
Haven't Ajax lost Ziyech, De Ligt, VDB etc over the years? Those difficulties are part and parcel of the game. Some years you have bad injuries, it doesn't mean a team plummets.
He’s definitely the best (and most exciting) appointment simply because we don’t know how good he really is. Someone like Poch is a known entity - we know he’s a pretty good manager but isn’t going to have us competing with City and Liverpool. None of the established managers are as good as Pep and Klopp - our best bet is taking a gamble on someone relatively unproven but has shown signs he could be the real deal.
Did he lose any of them this season? Klopp lost Lewandoski on a free in his final year. Clearly they do though as that's what happened to Klopp in his last season at Dortmund, injuries also caused Liverpool's form to plummet last season too.
I mean he kind of does, he had all his best players taken off of him, De Ligt, De Jong, Ziyech, VDB etc and had to deal with having Prem rejects for players and has turned them into a unit. Ajax are pretty much a selling club the same as could be argued that Dortmund were back then. I would argue their situations weren't too dissimilar even though I believe Klopp is a level about ETH for the moment
It will definitely be interesting how he's gonna deal with the rest of the season. He has players who are leaving for free and others guaranteed to be sold and of course the constant rumors around his future.
Why does it have to be this season? He's lost key players and not plummeted. Teams lose players and get over it. That may be what happened to Klopp but it doesn't mean he didn't under perform in what he got from his squad. We've often been ravaged by injuries and won league titles under SAF. Sometimes teams deal with it better than others.
Just realized Ajax could lose upto 5 starting players this summer. That's practically half the team
Onana- Signed Pre-Contract with Inter
Mazaroui- Currently negotiating with Bayern and Barca to join either as a free agent
Tagliafico- Apparently unhappy. He generated interest from top clubs in the summer and almost joined Barca in January. Big chance clubs come back for him again this summer
Gravenberch- Bayern bound
Antony- Currently catching the eye of several European clubs. Potential record sale for Ajax
Could explain why Ten Hag wants out this summer. He must be tired of doing rebuild after rebuild
Onana- Signed Pre-Contract with Inter
Mazaroui- Currently negotiating with Bayern and Barca to join either as a free agent
Tagliafico- Apparently unhappy. He generated interest from top clubs in the summer and almost joined Barca in January. Big chance clubs come back for him again this summer
Gravenberch- Bayern bound
Antony- Currently catching the eye of several European clubs. Potential record sale for Ajax
Could explain why Ten Hag wants out this summer. He must be tired of doing rebuild after rebuild
What does Mitchell van der Graag actually do?
Was Motherwell's top scorer as a CB one year I believe.
Most importantly, how does he look in a pair of shorts?
Plus it’s just the natural way of Ajax. They have talented players and managers who come and go as it keeps the revolving door for the next set of talent to come through. There’s never any bad blood with their departures.
He still has trophies to play for at Ajax, if he wins thr double this season, he will at the very least be a top 5 Ajax coach of all time if he isnt already.By winning stuff at other clubs?
Onana and Tagliafico arent starters. Can't see Antony leaving yet and only Mazraoui is really irreplaceable. It should baffle me that United isnt after him, and for that reason, it doesnt..
The alternative to Onana is a 38yr old GK and the alternative to Tagliafico is a 32yr old Blind who's quality but not the quickest and not getting younger. They'd have to be replaced
Also I'm not sure Ajax will turn down an offer of say €50-70m for Antony if a club offered that.
That keeper has been performing far better than him. If anyone needs replacing it would be him and not Onana. Ajax also has younger keepers that might step up.
Blind has his flaws but still does the job and has been keeping Tagliafico out. Salah-Eddine, Rensch, Baas will likely play second fiddle next season.
I think Ajax would accept that, but doubt any club would offer that.
Why this season? From that CL semi final team, in a very short space of time he lost Onana (starting GK, drug suspension), De Ligt, De Jong, VDB (who was awesome for them) and Ziyech (who was awesome for them). In fact if you look at that Ajax CL team that did so well, feck all of them are left. Ten Haag doesn't have the money or league pull to replace them with top players. Klopp lost feck all compared to that and had the luxury of being able to replace them with signings where needed. You'd be absolutely stupid to think that the team that Ten Haag is managing this year has ever had the chance to replace the likes of De Jong and De Ligt with similar level players. Klopp has never been as hamstrung as that at Dortmund.
If we signed him I might actually feel positive about the future of the club again.
This guy is just a proper manager. good football, talks the talk and walks it. Doesn't sugarcoat everything, and he's bald.
This guy is just a proper manager. good football, talks the talk and walks it. Doesn't sugarcoat everything, and he's bald.
Just feels like we are going to balls this up. Still feel that the board want Poch and are waiting for a palatable time to announce it.
Certain journo's are still trying to twist our perception that he is the logical choice and I'm very sceptical about where that's coming from. If we appoint Poch and find out that we 'were never in for Ten Hag' as I expect will happen, I'm going to lose the plot
Certain journo's are still trying to twist our perception that he is the logical choice and I'm very sceptical about where that's coming from. If we appoint Poch and find out that we 'were never in for Ten Hag' as I expect will happen, I'm going to lose the plot
Cue the United board - ready to trample on any optimism and positivity one dares to feel about the club's fortunes.
Good thing Ajax's form didn't plummet then isn't it? They are still top of the Dutch League and lost after dominating Benfica over 2 legs in the CL after being by far the best performing team in the CL. Not exactly the same as Klopp (who is the best manager in the World) shitting the bed entirely after losing a single player both time (Lewa and VVD). Let's see how Klopp does if he loses VVD, Henderson, Allison, Salah and Fabinho over the space of the next 18 months, which is the equivalent of what that Ajax team lost. Not saying Ten Haag is absolutely the answer, or even anywhere near Klopp as a manager, but he clearly has dealt with much more losing of players that Klopp ever has.
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This is really interesting (and quite surprising, even for someone who likes him and what he's done since 2018). According to a typical Ajax supporter, has ten Hag done enough to surpass all former managers of your club apart from Michels, van Gaal, Reynolds and Kovács (assuming those are the other members of the Top 5 grouping for you)? High praise, that; I was under the impression that he is considered closer to Beenhakker (or someone along those lines).
The board must of told poch that he isn’t getting the job as poch as said he still wants to win the CL with psg, unfortunately for him his future isn’t in his hands, it’s down to the owners of psg. However if we’re set on getting ten Hag then pochettino could go to Madrid if they decide to sack ancelotti. There’s going to be a few manager merry go rounds in the summer. We need to act quick though before someone els snaps up ten Hag.Just feels like we are going to balls this up. Still feel that the board want Poch and are waiting for a palatable time to announce it.
Certain journo's are still trying to twist our perception that he is the logical choice and I'm very sceptical about where that's coming from. If we appoint Poch and find out that we 'were never in for Ten Hag' as I expect will happen, I'm going to lose the plot
This is a concern. I think PSG and Madrid will be considering Ten hag and if we don't act quickly, another potentially golden opportunity will pass us by.
Ten Hag said he wants to manage in one of the best leagues in the world, surely that rules out psg right? I think the opportunity to bring us back to the top will be to good to turn down for most managers. The only thing that could go against us if it was between us and Madrid for him could be we can’t offer him CL unless of course we do make it.