More like Sake, considering the number of times he visited Wings.I’d argue that was more to with the wine than the language
Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed
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As much as I want Ten Haag, I think hes a long shot. If he was our no1 we would have signed him up already for next season. If we look at the history of this united team since sir alex all signs point to 2 options that the united board will take:
- wait till the end of the season and hope poch gets sacked so they can get him, probably their no1 choice as it gets them a decent manager for cheap who won't really rock the boat. This is their MO
- or hope Ralf does a decent job and if we cannot get Poch then give the Job to ralf for the above reasons
If the club really wanted Ten Haag we could get him, in or out of champions league, but I think knowing the history of this current united club its a long shot.
- wait till the end of the season and hope poch gets sacked so they can get him, probably their no1 choice as it gets them a decent manager for cheap who won't really rock the boat. This is their MO
- or hope Ralf does a decent job and if we cannot get Poch then give the Job to ralf for the above reasons
If the club really wanted Ten Haag we could get him, in or out of champions league, but I think knowing the history of this current united club its a long shot.
Our board is aware that most fans are in favor of ETH over Poch, so I see the latest links with ETH as a typical press spin from our side to soften the blow after another humiliating defeat against City.
Quite promising to see Winter going all in on thinking we should hire him. I want to believe.
Ten Hag will be a fantastic appointment but we need more changing at the club than just the coach and the coaching team. The board and recruitment team need to stop making incredibly poor decisions with player salaries, transfer fees etc. And they need to forget this social media obsession they seem to have.
Obviously, that’s half the job. The other half is letting him have free reign to identify targets for his system and build a team and I think he can do it without loads of expensive signings.
I just hope we get it done quickly, the uncertainty is no good.
Ajax going for the league and still in the CL. I'd say there's every chance this will drag on for ages as yet.
If we somehow get through in the CL we might even get Ajax in the next round. That really would be something.
I have been pro Poch, not because i think he’s some miracle worker but because at least with him we know what we would get and we really can’t mess up the next appointment.
But someone showed a stat about his record against the bigger teams and since then, I say we go all in for this guy. Rather we attack and go down bravely.
Also, I really hope we don’t get Luis Enrique. Not good enough and would be unable to beat Pep/Klopp.
But someone showed a stat about his record against the bigger teams and since then, I say we go all in for this guy. Rather we attack and go down bravely.
Also, I really hope we don’t get Luis Enrique. Not good enough and would be unable to beat Pep/Klopp.
I’d absolutely love that.
Didnt his Barca beat Peps Bayern Munich?
The year they beat juve in the final? I honestly don’t remember but even if he did, doing it in the CL vs doing it in the league are two completely different beasts. He also had MSN which would help any manager.
What does Mr Winter mean when he describes Poch as the "sexier" choice?
I can only presume that is to be taken literally because from where I am sitting and gauging general fan opinion it would seem Ten Hag is the man of the hour. The man with the Dutch masterplan, the philosophy, the Ajax school of 4-3-3, the baldness.
Poch's prem roots are a little too conservative to turn us on.
I can only presume that is to be taken literally because from where I am sitting and gauging general fan opinion it would seem Ten Hag is the man of the hour. The man with the Dutch masterplan, the philosophy, the Ajax school of 4-3-3, the baldness.
Poch's prem roots are a little too conservative to turn us on.
That's correct.
Can't read that
I think it will be Pochettino because the board are afraid of messing it up. Would rather ten Hag but they have no balls so I'm expecting Pochettino.
If* the last part about "not restricted to the pair" 4 months after sacking the manager and they still have not decided who the new manager should be or at least the two main targets, shows how incompetent they are.
My fear is that they believe that they are acting smarter by not being restricted to the pair. Then, July comes and they are still "evaluating" the options.
*and that's a big if because we don't know for sure what has happened/happening in the background
Then we get a manager who doesn't have any time to train players or to engage in the transfer market because the season starts in a weeks time.
Worrying shades of the Spurs masterplan that saw them whiff on about 10 different targets before appointing Nuno out of desperation when the summer was nearly over and promptly realizing he was the wrong man 4 weeks later.
I like how we (me too) talk about how it’s a toss up between Poch and ETH. Would Poch / ETH even want to come here after seeing the horrors of managing United?
we are not currently as attractive as we think we are. Owner trouble. Yes. Player trouble. Yes. Slashed budget because of revenue issues non top 4 finish. Yes. No Europe. Yes. Unless someone’s a real gambler, they ain’t coming to United until MASSIVE promises are made on the footballing structure side.
They both could be managing a more serious club in a year or two. Why bother joining a circus?
it’ll be hilarious if we have to go begging to Conte who just might be crazy enough
we are not currently as attractive as we think we are. Owner trouble. Yes. Player trouble. Yes. Slashed budget because of revenue issues non top 4 finish. Yes. No Europe. Yes. Unless someone’s a real gambler, they ain’t coming to United until MASSIVE promises are made on the footballing structure side.
They both could be managing a more serious club in a year or two. Why bother joining a circus?
it’ll be hilarious if we have to go begging to Conte who just might be crazy enough
According to credible reports they both want the job
You can look at it two ways:
1 - team is a mess, don't want
2 - team is a mess, only way to go is up, and i''ll be hailed a hero and magician if i can get at least some semblance of success.
I reckon a lot of managers would look at it the 2nd way, partially because we have big money and a lot of fans. We can to some extent checkbook our way out of this in a 2-3 year span
Guiding us back to the prem title and major trophies is an attractive challenge to take up in it self. Can they do what mourinho, LVG and everyone after fergie couldn’t do. It’s a massive job to take on and there are plenty of risks that come with it but we’ll always be attractive because of the size of the club and the fan base we have is massive, got the biggest stadium in England (except Wembley obvs) whenever a manager walks through the doors at old Trafford they instantly become more popular and talked about a lot more then they have ever been. With the right manager and a few changes at board level then we can get back to where we was. I’m 100% certain that our next manager will be either poch or ten Haag and whichever one it is needs to be given the time to turn our shambles of a club around.
the problem is that we have done that. Over and over again. With managers of differing backgrounds and pedigree. Now a smart man might say sure I can turn this shit show around but why did those guys fail? Was it because there is a lack of horse sense in club management? If so, a smart man might consider this a career error and stay away. Think why Juergen dismissed Uniteds offer.
hopefully. It takes a brave man. Or a stupid one.
They may also simply think "Manchester United are an extremely wealthy club, they will give me one of the most lucrative contracts I'm ever likely to get in my career, even if it doesn't work out I benefit enormously"
I don't see why you'd underestimate the value they'd place on obtaining enormous personal wealth. This is still a job for them after all and we pay the equivalent of a large lottery win. It ain't a hardship.
I don't see why you'd underestimate the value they'd place on obtaining enormous personal wealth. This is still a job for them after all and we pay the equivalent of a large lottery win. It ain't a hardship.
It depends on what the manager thinks he is, if a manager has great self belief in their management, its the perfect job.
Owner trouble - I am sure Poch has has owner trouble at Spurs and PSG.
Both ETH and Poch are also used to working under tight budgets, Spurs and Ajax.
ETH and Poch again, are both not new to no European football.
I think you will find that the job is more appealing than you think.
1. Wages
2. Ability to attract players
3. Time - we may criticise but apart from Moyes other managers did get time to get it right.
There is no chance we go for Conte.
He's now the bookie's favourite to be our man.
Its the hope that kills you...
Its the hope that kills you...
Who wouldn't want to be THE MANAGER who got United back to the top! Surely that's a legacy anyone would want.
Also - there are only a handful of big clubs out there which gives you that romanticism. Why not?
I noticed Ajax had drawn 2-2 vs Benfica.
Was that a good performance? What was the strengths and weaknesses.
Was that a good performance? What was the strengths and weaknesses.
I would argue the opposite point. From what we’re hearing, it very much sounds like Poch and ten Hag are the ones that the board have decided are priority candidates. What if PSG refuse to let go of Poch? What if ten Hag decides he doesn’t fancy it? I’d say it would be total incompetence if their search was restricted to just those two.
They can approach them. They don't have to wait till summer to see if PSG lets Poch go. If they really want him, they can pay. They are OK to sign players like Pelistri for 15 millions but are reluctant to pay Pochs clause? It's already March. They can also approach ETH. Leeds took Leipzig's coach now, and we can't take Ajaxs?
As I said, we don't know exactly what's happening, maybe they have indeed approached them and both managers told them they need time till summer. My fear is that they will wait till the summer and then approach them. But to pretend that they know and to save face, they are briefing that we have more candidates. It's not like we have a manager, only an interim, which means that we should be looking for a manager now. Not it the summer.
Marsch was sacked a few months ago Leeds did not "take" him. Poch may only be available if PSG fail to win Champ. ETH should be gettable now for the summer unless he himself isn't sure. Maybe the foremost priority should be deciding on first choice and then seeing what to do.
I would prefer he goes to Manchester City after Pep Guardiola leaves than go to Manchester United. The structure of the club is such that any manager would find it hard to succeed. I hope he will listened to Louis van Gaal's interview about how the club was run. Going to Manchester United could really damage his reputation.
Where can Pep go other than being Spain NT manager if he leaves City? I doubt he will leave City any time soon.
I very much doubt Pep Guardiola will be manager of Spain. His stance on Catalan nationalism has already ruled him out. I think his dream national team job is to be manager of Brazil. I think he knows that he will never have it better if he leaves Manchester City as well. A lot will depend on if Manchester City can do well in the Champions League.
That's nice of you, you want us Utd fans to suffer for eternity?
Surely it would be more satisfying to see him take us back to the top?Or is this purely because Pep is at City for one more year?