Erik ten Hag | Currently unemployed

I've got tingles! This better not be a wind up!

It's still a really shitty thing to announce, mind.
 
Supposedly he wants to bring an ex-United player in as coach. RVN off the table with him taking him PSV role, but it would be great to see RVP there. Loved his attitude - albeit very doubtful and a pipe-dream at this stage.
 
Real Madras said:
I don’t think Ten Hag will come in and want big signings. I hope he’s the type of manager to turn unknown players into world class players. I think this is fundamental to the next few years. I’d be happy for him to strengthen all the areas with less known quantities. Hungry players that are actually proud to play for United. I read somewhere that this guy lacked charisma. His Ajax team certainly play with Charisma. Modern forward thinking with new ideas. Our boys are going to hate it :D
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EtH also knows what it takes to be a good player in the Premier League because he's followed the league and followed Pep when he left Bayern to go to City. EtH is obsessed with football.

He'll know and understand that there's a certain level of quality and mentality that's needed in the PL and for a European side like United, let alone a title winning side the PL. Murtough, Fletch, and Rangnick know what is needed and EtH is of similar beliefs. How exactly EtH deploys the team is anybody's guess, because he's a very astute manager, yet flexible football mind.
 
Real Madras said:
I don’t think Ten Hag will come in and want big signings. I hope he’s the type of manager to turn unknown players into world class players. I think this is fundamental to the next few years. I’d be happy for him to strengthen all the areas with less known quantities. Hungry players that are actually proud to play for United. I read somewhere that this guy lacked charisma. His Ajax team certainly play with Charisma. Modern forward thinking with new ideas. Our boys are going to hate it :D
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Realistically I don't think anyone would demand massive amounts of signings or huge names. But i do agree that I think Ten Hag will just look at it like a rebuild is needed, the obvious names with contract situations and rising age will probably leave, while others like Maguire and McTominay and Rashford he'll do his best to make work.

My guess is we get Antony at RW, and then possibly Timber makes sense as well. Past that, we obviously need a DM and we need a striker. Who knows who or what we'll get, but Ten Hag has also shown that he can get his teams to play attacking and successful football despite losing key players every summer and needing to always tweak it to new profiles. So i think he'll do the same here.
 
Hansi Fick said:
Congratulations. This is massive. I didn't think your board had it in them. Feel a bit jelly, even if I shouldn't.
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Same, doesn't feel like us the way we have been operating.


But there has been changes behind the scenes this season, seems to be coming thru the club now.


I'm sure will be loads of CAF members in to tell us something different and that Fletcher etc are clowns etc
 
bosnian_red said:
Realistically I don't think anyone would demand massive amounts of signings or huge names. But i do agree that I think Ten Hag will just look at it like a rebuild is needed, the obvious names with contract situations and rising age will probably leave, while others like Maguire and McTominay and Rashford he'll do his best to make work.

My guess is we get Antony at RW, and then possibly Timber makes sense as well. Past that, we obviously need a DM and we need a striker. Who knows who or what we'll get, but Ten Hag has also shown that he can get his teams to play attacking and successful football despite losing key players every summer and needing to always tweak it to new profiles. So i think he'll do the same here.
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I’m all on board.
Ten Hugs.
 
JPRouve said:
What do people think about getting SAF's mentor back?
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Don’t know enough about what he’s been up to for last x years. SAF seemed to rate him when here?

Im not really arsed as long as it’s someone TH likes and can work with. Whether he has a previous involvement with United or not doesn’t matter (though sure we’ll see billions of posts saying “another Ferguson buddy gets a job”)
 
Marwood said:
I'm not really talking about what you're thinking. If it's come across that way I apologise.

You just believe you know more detail about tactics than Neville because you've read lots of interviews. Whilst simultaneously saying Neville and others should know their limitations.

You see a certain hypocrisy there yes?

These guys have a limited amount of time to say what they can on television. Who wants to hear granular detail about high press/low block for 30 mins?

The majority don't. A certain section of online football fans do because they're convinced football is chess on grass. With ten Hag being the chess master we need.
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That’s it: You claim that I believe (or think) I know more detail about tactics than Neville - which I would never claim, and didn’t. You’re wrong. And I thoroughly explained in several explicit ways how I think Gary Neville know tremendously more about football than I do. Which you seem to ignore.

All I claimed, is that Gary Neville has holes in his knowledge about details of recent tactic implementations, and a lack of humility about those holes. He talks as if he knows the details of how Rangnik works to implement his tactics, while he clearly has just a shady idea about it. He talks as if he knows how Ten Hag’s way to implement tactics is and how it relates to Pochettino’s, and it seems pretty clear to me he would phrase himself differently if he had read a couple of in-depth analysis articles about Ten Hag’s approaches to this at Bayern, Utrecht or Ajax. I don’t think he has, tbh.

These are pretty specific criticisms, and you may of course disagree with them, but they are in no way even faintly tantamount to saying I know more about tactics than Gary Neville. You may think that anything Carragher or Neville says about who United should hire as manager is something us lay men should just accept as fact, or that we should be unable to be sceptical about the scope of their expertise, but .. tbh I wouldn’t guess you think that. I am at a loss of what your own opinion of them as authorities are, because you only seem to comment on my supposed hubris as an Online Fan who you imagine believe football is chess on grass (which I don’t) and Ten Hag is The chess master we need (which I don’t).

It is also annoying that you consistently characterise me directly or indirectly as ‘online fan who read lots of interviews’ and omits that I’ve had coaching courses and trained football teams. I mean, it would be easy to ridicule an amateur coach who thinks he knows more about coaching than Gary Neville, but to twist general characterisations seems more like a need to put someone down. I haven’t done that to you and not even to Gary Neville.

Now it seems we’ll get Ten Hag, which I am excited about and hopeful for, but if you read any of my other posts here recently, you’d see that I don’t believe there is a clear case why either him or Pochettino would be the best choice, or a number of others, for that matter. Because I simply know far from enough about it.
 
JPRouve said:
What do people think about getting SAF's mentor back?
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Said in the other bread. I don't see Rene as the guy we should bring back here, just because he's Dutch, and he's the good main hand on coach during SAF final years.

From what I know, he's not total football student. His work when he's with us and later on seem to indicate evidence that too. ETH takes a more hand on approach to coaching/training, and he should be bringing some of his coaching staffs from Ajax. There should be less use for Rene main selling point is running training as SAF delegate

If it's for the job to connect with the players, a player knowing the club and comfortable for the manager to communicate with should be better candidate. Mike Phelan would be better than Rene, but not sure if we want memory of Ole's reign around.
 
Kaos said:
Scenes when he's left on the bench for most games :lol:

Which I wouldn't be surprised with tbh. He might have been key to Ten Hag at Ajax, but he might not fancy him in the premier league, just like our previous managers.
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Well the biggest problem VDB has is that he has a world class no.10 in Bruno ahead of him and he hasn't really impressed in a deeper midfield role. So yeah he'll continue to be a squad player at best I think, although Ten Hag will probably give him more opportunities than Ole and Ralf did.
 
Not sure about Rene coming back. Surely we don't wanna bring in another 'Ferguson associate' back.
 
simonhch said:
The issue with any new manager is that what is required to turn this club around, isn’t one man, it’s systemic root and branch reform. A holistic approach to how the club is run. Now, what we aren’t aware of in any meaningful detail is how much of that work has already happened behind the scenes over the last few months/year. Maybe the manager is the last remaining piece, along with executing an already devised new recruitment strategy.

What I will tell you is that I am very well connected professionally with someone who is a long time friend and colleague of a senior member of the current coaching set up and the word from inside the club is that it is a “complete shitshow”. There are far too many people trying to make decisions and no clear unified direction, voice or strategy. I’ve also been told that Rangnick was marginalised within the first few weeks of taking the job, and the powers that be within the club - executive board, DoF, TD, are not only dissenting amongst themselves but also doing it their own way without listening to external, qualified input. Often competing against one another.

From everything I’ve heard, it makes it sound like the next manager will just be cannon fodder. The club repeatedly promotes from within, to key strategic positions, to avoid having new ideas and voices challenging their hegemonic culture.

However low your expectations are, lower them further.

I wasn’t going to post this because I don’t want to get anyone in trouble, and I can’t be dealing with being labelled an ITK wannabe. I know a lot of stuff from within the club, I’m just not going to get into the habit of sharing it on an Internet forum, because my friendships and business relationships are more important than anonymous internet infamy.

Suffice to say that this is general enough, and I am pissed off enough, to share this particular tidbit. I can almost as close enough as guarantee that we will never see a meaningful change, pattern, strategy, or success, until the owners change. That’s been said by many on here for a long time. Speculating from what they’ve seen from the outside. From what I can tell you from what I know from the inside, is that all those people are correct. That the Glazer power structure, strategy, decision making, is about as unimaginative, uninformed, disorganised, and disconnected from the fans, club, and orthodox expectations of a big club, as you can possibly imagine. Even the Glazers themselves disagree on the direction, timing of the exit strategy, and valuation of the club.

It is my opinion, and now we are back to uninformed speculation, that the best outcome for us is a Hicks/Gillette type financial meltdown that forces the sale of the club. Either way, we are going to be in the wilderness for a while.
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I'm not at all surprised by all this and if indeed true (which I have no doubt it is) it really just confirms fears of mine that I've raised on this forum. Satan help us. Hag is simply going to he the yes man this inept club are looking to saddle the blame on when things fall apart on the pitch. I doubt he'll be given as much time as Solskjaer if he doesn't hit the ground running. I feel for him.
 
I couldn't believe it when during a Ten Hag vs. Pochettino better candidate debate (though admittedly on ESPN so high standards shouldn't be expected), Spurs getting past Ajax in the 2019 Champions League semis was actually brought up as an argument in favour of Pochettino. That was pretty crazy.
 
This is everywhere. If it doesn’t happen, it must be the greatest instance of edging ever seen anywhere anytime.
 
If Munich get knocked out of the Champions league. He will have cold feet and wait for the Munich job.
 
Giggsyking said:
If Munich get knocked out of the Champions league. He will have cold feet and wait for the Munich job.
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Bayern invested too much up front on Nagelsmann to sack him this season. He is not doing bad enough, even if get knocked out of CL by Villareal.

Even Kovac started his second season. Only when he's struggling domestically, that when he's dismissed mid season.

In case Nagelsmann get sacked and Bayern take EtH, we may as well go for Nagelsmann.
 
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