There really is ole scored 73 goals in the EPL not 121 in the EPL, 73 goals, Cavani, Greenwood a semi motivated Martial, a younger faster Rashford, Igalho as a seasoned veteran and you compare this current attacking 6 to that, lingard and Pogba even contributed with goals that season and I’m sure Cavani got 15 overall and hardly played?That's the result of the tactical system being shit. It's not the players who forgot how to play football overnight. We scored 121 goals under Ole in the 20/21 season, with an attack that's arguably only marginally better than our current one. There's definitely not 60 goals between our current attack and 20/21 attack anyway.
I actually think if he takes zero or one points from those two games, he’ll be sacked maybe even 2 points will get him the sack.If we don't at least beat Southampton and Palace in our upcoming cluster of games it will become difficult.
There really is ole scored 73 goals in the EPL not 121 in the EPL, 73 goals, Cavani, Greenwood a semi motivated Martial, a younger faster Rashford, Igalho as a seasoned veteran and you compare this current attacking 6 to that, lingard and Pogba even contributed with goals that season and I’m sure Cavani got 15 overall and hardly played?
This is the most woeful, inept attacking squad I’ve ever seen at United, it’s truly awful and will struggle to score 50-55 PL goals this season!
Yeah we're in serious, serious trouble. We'll stick with him until it's completely impossible to do anything else. This will mean another horrendous season ahead. So sad to see another write off season.
Rashford (27) soon and lost his mojo, a new coach might reinvent it, Bruno didn’t do it for Portugal, take the pens away abd his first season, can you really rely on him for 15-20 goals and please Rasmus can’t stay fit and at the highest level, international football he was truly awful for Denmark, remind me how many goals he scored under a different manager ?Sorry, I don't buy that an attack of Rashford, Fernandes, and Hojlund isn't one of the best in the Premier League, and it's them that forgot how to play football, instead of the manager. And then you have Garnacho and Amad on the right hand side, as well az Zirkzee as a facilitator false 9 to offer tactical variety. This is an attack that has been underperforming massively because of the tactical setup being detrimental, not one that's simply not good enough to score a lot of goals.
And Gyökeres is not solving any problems for us, either. He's not a 100 million striker. Just a striker who went to an arguably weaker league overall(other than the big 3 and maybe Braga, none of the teams in the Portugese league could earn promotion in the Championship, and the overall player quality is also higher in the latter), but to a much better team (Coventry -> Sporting), and has a much easier job there.
Rashford (27) soon and lost his mojo, a new coach might reinvent it, Bruno didn’t do it for Portugal, take the pens away abd his first season, can you really rely on him for 15-20 goals and please Rasmus can’t stay fit and at the highest level, international football he was truly awful for Denmark, remind me how many goals he scored under a different manager ?
Gyrokes is the only mistake Brighton have made, put him in Arsenal or Chelsea team and he’ll clean up, born goal scorer.
The pitch to the next guy will have to be "work with what you've got". Which unfortunately will turn off some candidates, but that's just how the cookie crumbles.What's scary is that considering the financial constraints we are under; and having gone all in with ETH the past 3 transfer windows - spending well over 600 million quid in getting 'his players'
How much financial latitude do we have after we sack him? (We just have to look at our transfer activities in the summer.) How do we attract a proper manager after being financially hog-tied with ETHs deadwoods? We have never backed a manager financially as much as we have had with ETH.
The dreaded vote of confidence
You could also make the argument that the managers have overachieved despite the level of performance put out by the team? I think ETH needs to leave but just playing devils advocateI think winning the league is extremely hard in this era, and we don't even qualify for the CL half the time and when we do we humiliated in the group stages for the most part.
Tellingly though, the one things that's stayed constant throughout the last decade is that the underlying stats have never rated us as a team. Even in seasons we've finished in the top 4 or second the underlying stats have suggested we're not as good as the table says. That to me, gives away the quality of the managers we've had at the club.
Season xPts (Expected Points) Actual Points Table Position xPts Position 23/24 44.24 60 8th 15th 22/23 66.4 75 3rd 5th 21/22 54.52 58 6th 8th 20/21 65.64 74 2nd 4th 19/20 70.99 66 3rd 4th 18/19 61.86 66 6th 4th 17/18 62.33 80 2nd 6th 16/17 70.89 69 6th 4th 15/16 56.44 66 5th 8th 14/15 63.03 70 4th 4th
Our last caretaker didn’t leave us with egos. He did not get any new player and the ones he already had have proven to be yet again not good enough, thus having the need for a squad clear out. On the other hand, Eth has actively burdened us with buys of his who were exorbitant and cannot be shifted despite being absolutely woeful for us.How can I be "hiding behind" asking you to actually expand on your opinion? That's projection at it's finest.
I'm not against replacing ETH with someone for whom a good argument can be made that they'd do better. I'm just not aware of anyone who's available for whom that's the case. If you can make a case for someone then great, but otherwise your opinion is nothing more than rolling the dice, which could easily make things worse - ETH may be failing to get us playing the type of football we're after, but he still has control of the dressing room. Our last caretaker left us with a huge amount of infighting and egos that we haven't properly cleared out until this transfer window.
True... And seemingly embargoed until after the Liverpool game.Being compelled to say anything at all officially just 2 matches in is definitely an alarm bell moment in and of itself...
It is weird.True... And seemingly embargoed until after the Liverpool game.
As though a heavy loss was predicted, and wanted to stop the noise/speculation, through the international break. Weird.
This squad is currently not good enough for top 6, that’s why we came 8th last season with 14 defeats and -1 GD, guess what 1/12th of a new season 66% loss rate and •3 GD,
Let’s be realistic here City, Liverpool, Arsenal , Chelsea, Newcastle, Chelsea and Villa have far better squads right now. Each of those teams has at least 2/3 players who will get you 10-15 goals in the EPL this season, we barely have 1!
It’s time to get real Watkins, Bailey and Rogers or Duran are better than what we have, Isaak, Gordon, Barnes are far superior to our front three and the other teams reserve strikers are better than our front three, We don’t score Goals and this needs to be addressed immediately or ETH must go!
When Fans were losing their s…over Zirkzee to go with Hojlund, I said then we need a top number 9, that’s what United do go spend £100m on Victor Gyrokes and do it in January , tell the other two strikers if they are not at double figure by January one of them will be replaced, that’s how United need to operate, we’ve been a joke for far too long!
We are talking about attack, Scoring goals my friend let me remind you of last year PL teams top goal scorers in order ;
1. Man City - 96 goals
2. Atsenal - 91 goals
3. Liverpool - 86 Goals
4. Newcastle - 85 Goals
5. Chelsea - 77 Goals
6. Villa. - 76 Goals
7. spurs. - 74 Goals
8. West Ham - 60 Goals
= 10th Man Utd - 57 Goals
= 10th Palace - 57 Gials
This suggests your argument is incredibly flawed as United under ETH or in the previous season under Ragnorak scored less than 59 goals!
Plenty of names to replace Ten Hag were mentioned last season, but people will find what ever reason as to why it would be a bad decision or just plain ignore it.Our last caretaker didn’t leave us with egos. He did not get any new player and the ones he already had have proven to be yet again not good enough, thus having the need for a squad clear out. On the other hand, Eth has actively burdened us with buys of his who were exorbitant and cannot be shifted despite being absolutely woeful for us.
I cannot give you a single name, because I do not have the experience or the vast network which Ashworth has to do his job. You keep asking for names as if it’s the job of the fans to suggest alternatives. It absolutely is not. However fans see what is served each week and know when it is not good enough. Yet you keep asking for alternatives as if the posters on here are equipped to provide you that.
It is not a question of who can I get as better but rather a question of ‘is keeping Eth going to improve us?’ If the answer is not yes, it is the job of the DOF and the Board to find the right guy.
You or I are not making a decision on who should replace him. It’s a discussion on a forum regarding whether he is good enough for Manchester United. Why don’t you let me know your thoughts on that instead of asking inane questions about giving you a replacement name as if you are the hiring committee.
“Ten Hag’s pressing scheme” hahaVilla just straight up don't, Chelsea are a shit show and Newcastle are in poor form and have their own issues with Howe seemingly loosing it a bit, FFP etc. We'll get ~65-70 pts ish this season as we did for the last decade. I think we'll finish 5th as a result with Liverpool, Arsenal and City locking up 3/5 spots and likely Spurs at 4th.
A WC #9 won't do anything without a midfield and defence to back it up - we were going to play Evans, Maguire, Amass and Dalot as our defenders and a past-it Casemiro and Mainoo as our mids. The prioritization of transfer targets was right. Signing an Osimhen wouldn't have fixed anything.
Ultimately Ten Hag's pressing scheme was ineffective against Pool. Doesn't mean it'll be ineffective against the likes of Southampton.
Last season was shit due to a once in a decade injury crisis, why not use the previous year's tallies?
Instruction. The core principle is as rapid a vertical progression as possible, which plays a huge hand in how many unnecessary turnovers there are from forced passes that aren’t on from players who shouldn’t be attempting them in the first place.
I still firmly believe @Sarni is a world class WUM that will reveal himself after Ten Hag is gone. Time will tell.Baffled at the 186 Caf members who voted him to stay. But then you look at the list and see his staunchest supporters. @VP89 @BenitoSTARR @NLunited
They are pretty quiet though.
I think the start to this season has been underwhelming enough that we probably don’t need any more data to make a decision. I thought the way he set up against Liverpool was borderline mentally incompetent. The positioning of his defenders is moronic. Dalot, pinching in to “help with possession and buildup” was so far out of position when we lost the ball, that 3rd goal was an inevitability.
Bruno is right. Every team loses the ball, it’s how we react and what our shape is like after the turnover that matters.
I think Ten Hag has ruined Rashford.
I think Ten Hag is halfway to ruining Bruno.
I think he’s starting to ruin Garnacho and, most disturbingly, Mainoo, who should be protected at all costs.
Question to all of the Ten Hag supporters: Given where we are now, is there a future where you can actually see Ten Hag lifting the Premier League trophy as any club’s manager, much less Man United?
I think we are in a considerably worse position than Chelsea, both in terms of players and manager.Things can always be worse. We could be Chelsea!
In fairness I don't think INEOS cares about what the caf's class of 186 think of Ten Hag, they would have kept him anyway.Baffled at the 186 Caf members who voted him to stay. But then you look at the list and see his staunchest supporters. @VP89 @BenitoSTARR @NLunited
They are pretty quiet though.
I think the start to this season has been underwhelming enough that we probably don’t need any more data to make a decision. I thought the way he set up against Liverpool was borderline mentally incompetent. The positioning of his defenders is moronic. Dalot, pinching in to “help with possession and buildup” was so far out of position when we lost the ball, that 3rd goal was an inevitability.
Bruno is right. Every team loses the ball, it’s how we react and what our shape is like after the turnover that matters.
I think Ten Hag has ruined Rashford.
I think Ten Hag is halfway to ruining Bruno.
I think he’s starting to ruin Garnacho and, most disturbingly, Mainoo, who should be protected at all costs.
Question to all of the Ten Hag supporters: Given where we are now, is there a future where you can actually see Ten Hag lifting the Premier League trophy as any club’s manager, much less Man United?
I agree. I do think fan sentiment after the FA Cup win was a factor in INEOS deciding who keep Ten HagIn fairness I don't think INEOS cares about what the caf's class of 186 think of Ten Hag, they would have kept him anyway.
No,, it doesn't. What that means is that they are going to provide him the background support so that he can fully concentrate on training and the matches rather than worry about anything else. Basically, he'll be a coach from now on.“Match tactical plan”, sounds like they are going to start telling him how to play. Which can only be good news.
Think there's a lot of steps before that. We are 3 games in and Im generally quiet because I want to see more games before I decide how this tweaked style and new players go.Question to all of the Ten Hag supporters: Given where we are now, is there a future where you can actually see Ten Hag lifting the Premier League trophy as any club’s manager, much less Man United?
I meant mediocre players. The "All the shit...." was an expression.Yoro, De Ligt, Zirkzee, Ugarte, Martinez and Mazraoui are hardly shit players. What we need is a change in tactics. Whenever we attack we go too gung-ho which leads to huge gaps in CM when we get countered. Even prime Roy Keane would struggle with the space left a midfield were the two CM + the two wingers bomb forward
I'd say yes and no.But that's the point, there's little evidence the team is being developed.
In fact there's not much evidence the team is being coached, which is the very definition of Ten Hag's job.
And this is one of the biggest talking points since 2023 preseason; we're working towards something that isn't special nor hard to combat in its ultimate form. And on top, still an unsustainable way to play out a full campaign.I remember when we were kids and we started playing competitive 5-a-side football - it didn't take six thirteen year old lads more than two or three games to work out that if you tried to play end-to-end attacking football, you'd almost always lose to the team that sat back in formation and picked you off.
EtH still hasn't figured this out three seasons in...that's the most frightening thing...the system he's trying (and failing) to implement won't work even when it's perfect. So we're striving for something that's flawed.
I think that and the lack of rotation are majorly responsible for our injury issues too.I remember when we were kids and we started playing competitive 5-a-side football - it didn't take six thirteen year old lads more than two or three games to work out that if you tried to play end-to-end attacking football, you'd almost always lose to the team that sat back in formation and picked you off.
EtH still hasn't figured this out three seasons in...that's the most frightening thing...the system he's trying (and failing) to implement won't work even when it's perfect. So we're striving for something that's flawed.
