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Might actually be Gary Neville
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But hey at least we gave Ten Hag 300 miles of rope to hang himself, and our season, with. The moral winners, or something
You seem to have become some kind of conspiracy merchant.I'm not talking about SAFs position being taken away but him being allowed in the dressing room. If he was a great influence that Ten Hag appreciated, do you think this would be happening?
Everything else points to him still having a huge say in everything. Why do you believe otherwise? Because the papers told you? Before INEOS it was known how much influence he had, so there's no proof without tabloid pieces, that he had had his influence reduced. The fact he's on the same contractual terms probably lends credibility to that.
Whatever circumstances if United get relegated it will be a huge surprise to everyone in world football. Anyway.As I’ve said, I also don’t expect the recruitment to stay so bad
And I don’t expect to have a manager as shit as Ten Hag at any point from January 2025 onwards
But if it does and we do, then it won’t be a surprise and it shouldn’t be one
Same way I wasn’t surprised when the shit laughing stock Manchester club in blue started winning leagues when they got all the best players and manager. United are doing the exact opposite of that.
Unsure I follow — the only genuinely “tough” fixture we’ve had all season is Liverpool at home. Villa at a push
I'm of the same thinking regarding Tuchel.I'm not overly fussed that we've not got Tuchel, I think the England job suits him better.
It shouldn't make much of a difference to Ten Hag's fate. If he continues to dig his own grave, sooner or later, he will be put in it. It's a shame this looks like another total trudge of a season though.
Not if the squad is bad enough to get relegated at that timeWhatever circumstances if United get relegated it will be a huge surprise to everyone in world football. Anyway.
I personally wanted Tuchel or Pochettino and both options are off the table now FFS.
Ten Hag has some serious luck on his side, I tell you
It is absolute nonsense to throw the word relegation into the discussion.Not if the squad is bad enough to get relegated at that time
Not reallyNot if the squad is bad enough to get relegated at that time
Ah OK, I’m sceptical how much that has an affect. Feels heavily overplayed when read in plain text.In the way that the match-going fans don't leverage their influence when things go awry. There always is positive feedback at the end of matches, no issue how terrible the performance was that just disgraced Old Trafford.
When there is nothing to be happy about, voice your discontent and motivate the board to act. In general, give honest feedback to the team on and off the pitch.
I don't mean "don't support them during the match", absolutely do that every time because it's your club and you want it to succeed, but responsible fans make clear what standards they have and what level of performance they expect - and if what they see matches that. This (almost) never seems to happen at Old Trafford, and I (and others) believe that this is part of the reason why it looks as if being 14th is absolutely acceptable for the fans and no reason to change the direction of the club.
Fair enough, but we’re not one lump of a thing, rather literally thousands of people who all think differently.I guess when they refer to ''the fans'' they're usually talking about those who attend Old Trafford regularly, otherwise as you say it's impossible to judge. If we're to go by social media alone ''the fans'' definitely aren't happy with the club/manager in any shape or form currently. The only thing the fans inside Old Trafford can do is either stop attending games, or let their voices be heard during the game via chants and banners.
Glad others can see past their frustrationOf course he is. Just because he is doing an extremely poor job doesn't mean he is not a decent bloke.
I'm not overly fussed that we've not got Tuchel, I think the England job suits him better.
It shouldn't make much of a difference to Ten Hag's fate. If he continues to dig his own grave, sooner or later, he will be put in it. It's a shame this looks like another total trudge of a season though.
It matters for this season at the very least and potentially even in the future depending on who we get instead of Ten Hag. Tuchel can easily turn it around and get us playing reasonable football and probably get us CL and a couple of deep cup runs. Given all the FFP issues we've been having it'll hamstring our progress even further if we fail to get atleast the EL.
Over half a season worth of matches we would be around 14/15th. That’s beyond bad form, that’s a bad team.It is absolute nonsense to throw the word relegation into the discussion.
I agree with this but I really think he might not be haha. I was at Wolves v United's post match press conference and in person he really comes across as defensive, heavy blooded guy, difficult. That's of course just my perspective, I was at 7 other managers' press conferences too and he was the only one that I really disliked (might be a bit of bias can't lie, although we won that day!), and some characters in those too..Of course he is. Just because he is doing an extremely poor job doesn't mean he is not a decent bloke.
I guess it’s Ten hag till the season ends unless it gets really bad
This is an insane though while at the same time being exactly what I expect from this lot at this point...
Just gonna keep doing the same thing while hoping for different results to turn out to be that 1% instance of a manager actually turning the tide around this late
Unfortunately for us, absolutely nothing shown to us over the previous 18 months suggests that we have a manager capable of doing that
Also amorim who was one of the few other credible targets is probably also now out of the picture
I don’t think we are making EL this year but he will steer us back there or Conference League within the following two seasons.
Yup. It will further consolidate us as a mid table club and we’ll become the new Everton. We need to act fast and now.This sort of decision does more than just writing off this 1 season. It further dampens our attractiveness to talent and puts us further outside of Europe's elite. Eventually you don't get back in, especially if we decide that we will just give every joker year to continue underperforming before making a change. I bet Moyes wishes he won the Conference League here as he'd be in a job for life!
It’s just people over reacting to him not being sacked now and jumping to conclusions he won’t be sacked at all this season. The club can’t afford to write off the season just for the sake of sticking with a manager they tried to get rid of in the summer.
They are clearly giving him a chance to turn it round but I’ve no doubt he is on the verge of being sacked, he won’t be allowed to waste the whole season.
That's already happened, with the exception.of about 3 months either side of the World Cup we've performed like a midtable side and got the results of an upper midtable side for more than 3 years.This sort of decision does more than just writing off this 1 season. It further dampens our attractiveness to talent and puts us further outside of Europe's elite. Eventually you don't get back in, especially if we decide that we will just give every joker year to continue underperforming before making a change. I bet Moyes wishes he won the Conference League here as he'd be in a job for life!
That's already happened, with the exception.of about 3 months either side of the World Cup we've performed like a midtable side and got the results of an upper midtable side for more than 3 years.
During that period we have largely stocked our squad with 2nd rate players that won the Eredivisie with Ten Hag several years ago and apparently we're just merrily rolling along, more interested in not looking silly by backtracking so quickly on the decision to sack the manager in the summer rather than doing what's best to improve results.
Hopefully the younger players like Yoro and Garnacho can be pivotal to a comeback in a few years and I'm sure despite our loss of lustre that we can still attract good young players with the offer of money and playing time, like what we've seen at Arsenal with the likes of Saka, Odegaard and Saliba, but currently we have at best a Europa League standard squad led by a manager who has been one of the worst in the league for more than 12 months now.
Just when I thought I was out