Get him better players. Bring him de Jong. We have the structure in place to give him the players and coaches that will ensure success.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Come on now, SAF wasn't that bad
Worst. Manager. Ever.
Whilst I'd agree that hypotheticals like this are mostly pointless the fact that you would have to lean into so many of them to imagine us having a decent start compared to the other guy just mentioning one is telling.
There is no logic at keeping ETH here. Only reason is Jim is trying to tank the club so the Glazers sell to him and leave.
The man is untouchable. I envy having this much job security
The man is untouchable. I envy having this much job security
Pathetic isn't it? he should be sacked for making all these excuses. The team needs time, youngsters.. 3 years is not enough? How much more time does he want?
Also, you give someone time that you see progress, Ten Hag is showing no progress only regress.
There are no signs of him improving anything, what's more frustrating is that when his job is on the line, he goes into this defensive mode, playing some of the worst football I have ever witsnessed, picking players who were not in his plans.
Shit show of a manager, I cannot see how we win more than 2 out the next 8 games.
Indeed.
We even have the structure (or at least the money) in place to bring in a competent person to devise a game plan and pick a functional (based on the plan) XI from week to week.
So, when you think about it, ETH has been short-changed horribly: it's unreasonable in the extreme to expect him to do anything at all. He hasn't had a competent coach/manager/whatever to do the work for him - what the feck is he supposed to do under such working conditions?
But hold on, first not sure they have to replace everyone. Second, is that number going to change the longer they wait? Defies logic.
Keep reading this statement that ETH can 'turn it around' but to what? The evidence over the last 18 months is of under achievement and terrible football, so is he 'turning it around' to last 3 months, 6 months, 12 months, 18 months? Because these are all crap! The easiest answer is 'the evidence point to the fact he is not the manager for Utd'.
I dont know if this is just sarcasm or Lemsip Max with a dash of Jack Daniels...
The £600 mil was only the first stage. A tentative foundation upon which he'll build a mighty bastion over the next 6-7 years.
Ten Hag - Ten Years. Trust the process.
He couldn't turn around a Go-Kart on a runway.
The board have probably looked at it with a clear head and realised there are actually a lot of positives to take from the season so far. We conceded less shots. 4 clean sheets AND we're 4 points clear of the drop.
Let's focus on the good not the bad. When Ten Hag gets us into a relegation fight, then they'll maybe consider sacking him.
Let's focus on the good not the bad. When Ten Hag gets us into a relegation fight, then they'll maybe consider sacking him.
Well over the last 2 years we've went from a team that could finish in the top 4. To a team that could only finish in the top 8, this season on current form we could finish in the top 16. So all going well next season he'll have us back in the top half of the table, by year 5 possibly back in the top 4 and by Ten Hag's 6th the sky's the limit. Exicting times indeed.
That should simplify. There will only be one candidate for the job in that case, Sam Allerdyce.
Also the premier league table for last year, United outperfomed its expected points by 16pts! That is over a full season so it is a large enough data set. See full table here - https://understat.com/league/EPL/2023
Saying "I have doubts about Ten Hag" is like saying "I have doubts that the Titanic is actually unsinkable" when the damn thing is bobbing vertically in the water.
Look what this no sacking has done to people.That’s the point: if we want to indulge in hypotheticals, we have far more going against us than in our favor. I’ve mentioned this repeatedly in previous posts—our finishing has been a significant issue. I’m not sure if that’s something coaches (in this case RVN or Hake) can address, or if it’s even coachable at all. For now, I believe the blame should be shared equally between the players and the manager for that until I know better.
Just to clarify, I voted for him to be sacked and want him gone, but for different reasons. It seems he can’t get consistent performances out of this squad or motivate them from game to game. I had hoped that some decent performances from earlier in this season would help us build on them, but the games against Twente and Spurs have made it clear that he’s unable to do that. Lethargic performances and didn't feel like they started the game to win. I mean in the game against Spurs, Dalot not tracking his runner in the 2nd min of the game or not even a single player in our team taking the risk to foul Van de Ven for their first goal means they were not well prepared and up for that game.
Same here, but actually LVG broke my soul with the football he was churning out. Recovered slightly under Mourinho but then anger once 3rd season came round. Again Ole restored it to the point i actually loved watching us again but bitter disappointment in how it all ended as I felt he was closest to getting what United were about. ETH, first season was great, where he was almost following Oles blueprint but season 2 onwards it’s been soul bludgeoning bad. Obviously i enjoyed the cup final but let’s be honest we were damn lucky to get there both in the teams faced and the results.
Now I don’t even have a favorite player. I stick with it more in the hope that my passion will be revived, but once I’m completely done I’d say that’s it with me for football. The current styles just aren’t exciting to watch. It’s like watching robots play football.
I would love that our players play like robots. That would mean that they all do everything perfect and by the book.
Imagine possession style played by the robots? Possession 99%.
Soooo why are they not sacking him if they have doubts? There's enough data points to make this decision already.
You get what I mean though, it’s bland, repetitive style copied everywhere now
I think for them the real challenge is finding a willing replacement they believe they can make progress with. As we know interims do not always work out and can turn out to be expensive projects.
Why do people even comment on what Muppetiers say? Bizzare.
If Ten Hag survives this, then, I think he will see out the season so I am coming around to the idea of an agreement between both parties that they will part ways at the end of the season like Tuchel and Bayern had.
That would give INEOS alot of time and space to find the highest quality replacement nice and early before next pre-season and Ten Hag gets a chance to turn this shitshow around as best as possible and preserve his credentials for his next potential job.
That would give INEOS alot of time and space to find the highest quality replacement nice and early before next pre-season and Ten Hag gets a chance to turn this shitshow around as best as possible and preserve his credentials for his next potential job.
Not a chance he’d agree to this when he thinks of himself so highly.
There's no chance. People call Tuchel for his personality but even he went about it professionally till the end. No chance Ten Lives does the same, not without causing a shit storm at the same time with his delusions.
A problem with keeping him to long is what damage does it do for our potential up and coming players. This year should be the year for Garnacho, Mainoo, Amad,Hojlund,Yoro to make the next step up and progress. A year of poor performances, big defeats and no cohesive style of play will be a year wasted for these players. These players need to grow within a proper functioning team, not a failing one that is scraping a top half of the table finish.
Fair enough, mate. What's the best case scenario from here onwards if Ten Hag survives in your opinion?
6-7th place and an odd cup here and there if we are lucky. I reckon in about 3 years he will quit on his own.
If that's the case its gross negligence from the board.
This is not going to get better.
It's clear sacking him was not a discussion. There is no way you could possibly discuss him and his results and come to the conclusion he should stay.
Therefore clearly the decisions being made are not with football performance included as a factor
Therefore clearly the decisions being made are not with football performance included as a factor
An deal like that can work when the team is still doing OK. When the agreement was reached, Bayern weren't a million miles behind Leverkusen - eight points after two straight defeats - and were still in in the CL, where they got to the semi finals and nearly went through to the final.
Doing it for seven months in what could be a second successive disastrous season, and is already looking terrible, is very different.
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