Ah yes. Just the 3 occasions for far this season we’ve conceded 3 goals in a single game. Progresh.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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Oh, we're not being paid.
SAF mocked City being obsessed by us. It seems it turned around. We are the small club now, celebrating beating a city rival.
I am not sure fans would have been so euphorical about ETH if we beat another team in the final, let’s say Newcastle.
What is the likelihood that ETH gets to see out this season but we will part ways with him at the end of the season via a pre-agreement ala Tuchel/Bayern?
I don't know what to say anymore. Thought the injuries last season played a significant part to how the season turned out but after 7 games being similar to last season....I don't know man. Can't see him turning things around. Hope he does.
Or what are the options to replace him that allow the club to be in a better position to audit the current situation and take the best decision in the short to mid term. That's why I would mind the likes of Allegri, Tuchel or last summer Valverde, mid to long term their feedback could be as valuable as finishing 5th or 6th, those are managers that have actually managed at the highest level for more than one season.
Arteta was a 37 year old rookie head coach who took over an Arsenal team that hadn't won a PL or European trophy since 2004.
While I respect the job that Arteta has done there, it will be 5 full seasons without winning the league if they don't get over the line this season.
It's literally been linear progression. Or as close to it as you can get.
19/20: 56points (33 points earned by Arteta)
20/21: 61 points
21/22: 69 points
22/23: 84 points
23/24: 89 points
19/20: +8 GD
20/21: +16 GD
21/22: +13 GD
22/23: +45 GD
23/24: +62 GD
19/20: 7 clean sheets
20/21: 12 clean sheets
21/22: 13 clean sheets
22/23: 14 clean sheets
23/24: 18 clean sheets
ten Hag turns 55 early next year. He's not a young head coach like Arteta, Iraola, McKenna and Hürzeler.
Arteta has spent/been given approximately €790 million worth of signings across 10 transfers windows. ten Hag has already spent/been given roughly €660 million across 5 transfer windows.
My main two issues with not sacking now are that the fan base have already broken up with ETH now, so even if he were to win a few games, the moment we have a bad result the "sack him now" sentiment would return in full force. That's simply not a viable way to run the club for the rest of this year, as it would irrevocably fray the relationship between the fanbase and owners/executive team, which is not a productive path for either side to go down.
The second issue is related to the possibility that we plod on and finish as high as fifth, alongside another piece of cup silverware, at which point we would be back to square one with ETH triumphantly boasting about yet another cup win and how he plans to continue the building process over the summer with yet more transfers in preparation for a potential run at a CL spot next year.
That's why its best to get rid now and go with Ruud, since ETH's style and demeanor are never going to get us where we want to be.
Can we stop with Arteta comparisons? It never got as bad for Arsenal in the league with home. Many of ten Hag’s acolytes seem to be willing to excuse league form at any cost if it means winning a cup (which might not even happen this season the way things are going). Would Arsenal even consider signing ten Hag as their head coach in an alternative universe? I think we all know the answer.
And again!
You just can’t do it can you?
Out of curiosity, what answer do you expect?
Just some honesty
Considering that most of the squad members have been available to him over the past 11 games, it's a pretty low bar if you consider this improvement.
We had 9 points after 7 games at this point last season. -4 GD.
Now it's 8 points after 7 games. -3 GD.
2 points better off in Europa than at this point last season. But it's a lower tier than The CL. Bayern last season vs Twente this season.
You were asked a very very simple question.
One which 99% of football fans can answer, whether they support Real Madrid, Crawley Town or Weymouth (@Rolandofgilead).
You can’t say anything you love about the club you apparently support and care about.
How pathetic.
Meh I think he's staying. Oh well. He'll get himself removed pretty soon anyway.
What answer do you expect? Please share an example.
I'm not sure there's much I can say I 'love' about United to be fair. Seems like quite a juvenile view. I enjoy when we win and am frustrated when we lose, but to say I love x, y, and z would seem a bit extreme to me. I, of course, like that there's a history to the club, the whole SAF legacy, the fact it's not a Tory right wing club, etc. But to say I love all that would come across as a bit saccharine. Maybe I'm just a bit of a dry fish though.
What do you love? It might give me ideas on what I could love about us.
That which takes place out of love always takes place beyond good and evil. - Pat Benatar
Love is a battle field. - Friedrich Nietzsche
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I am jealous of your optimism, I cannot see ETH getting us to finish much above where we are, 8th would be a stretch, and unless we get a very favourable cup run again I struggle to see us winning silverware this season under ETH,
TBH I look at the prem and think genuinely which team would I risk a £5 bet on us beating, home or away and there are none, I wouldn't even waste a £1 bet on us getting a win against any other team under ETH
I had the same reflection and wondered if I understood the point of the question. I know why I fell in love with the club but none of these things are true today.
Looks like more shit on a stick football to watch now for next few weeks.
We basically rely on getting the ball out to rashford or garnacho cut in and have a shot on goal.
Must be up there worst team to watch in league.
Dire stuff.
We basically rely on getting the ball out to rashford or garnacho cut in and have a shot on goal.
Must be up there worst team to watch in league.
Dire stuff.
Exactly. I know what I loved going to watch United for the first time in 1997 and in the 15 years or so thereafter.
But now? Feck all to like except some of the players.
Yes that's it. Will need to edit the term to sex and dramatic Man United news sells..
Unless they think the squad isn't good enough to beat Brighton, Crystal Palace & FC Twente, not get seriously outplayed by Spurs (at Old Trafford) and see out a 2-goal lead against Porto then surely they have to realize keeping ten hag is untenable
What does "get behind the manager" actually mean? I've seen that a few times in here.
Does it mean hope that the club wins every game it's in? I agree with that but it doesn't have much to do with the manager. Singing loudly when in the stadium? Again not much to do with the manager.
If I do those things but still believe he's a mile below the standard we need and discuss it on a Man Utd forum when proven right continuously does that discredit the above?
Overall I agree that wanting to lose is counter intuitive and even at Villa when the game kicks off I can't help but hope we score every minute. I don't look down on those who felt differently though.
Does it mean hope that the club wins every game it's in? I agree with that but it doesn't have much to do with the manager. Singing loudly when in the stadium? Again not much to do with the manager.
If I do those things but still believe he's a mile below the standard we need and discuss it on a Man Utd forum when proven right continuously does that discredit the above?
Overall I agree that wanting to lose is counter intuitive and even at Villa when the game kicks off I can't help but hope we score every minute. I don't look down on those who felt differently though.
To be fair, our performances have improved a small amount based on how unbelievably, ridiculously shit we were last season. Mostly due to the fact that our midfield isn't quite as open and easy to cut through. But that's more in the sense that this has been a 2/10 season so far instead of a 0/10 like last season was (bar the FA Cup).
Now obviously a 2/10 season isn't anywhere near good enough and shouldn't be acceptable, but because there has been an 'improvement' it seems to have given some people a defence for ETH and willingness to see more. "If he improved us this much he'll continue improving us", ignoring that the only reason our standards are so low is because of his utter incompetence and clearly broken tactics of last season.
There we go. Simple. @BD understood and just answered what he thought. History, Sir Alex, not right wing. Fine.
No right or wrong answer. No hidden agenda to trip you up. Just an honest opinion.
It’s weird you can’t say anything @hobbers. Just say you don’t love/like the club anymore if that’s the case and have done with it.
The point of the question was to find out what the poster likes about the club. It’s not particularly complicated and I just wanted some honesty.
It means be quiet, don't criticise and definitely ignore all negative aspects of the manager.
Win or lose, we're on the booze! Yanited together.
I honestly don't care if people want us to lose a game or two if they genuinely think it's for the greater good. Short term pain for long term gain, etc.
Again that's more complicated than you seem to believe, which is why I asked for your own answer. That way we can all see what you actually think but for some reason you don't want to entertain a genuine conversation.
They are owners and have every right to keep him but shame that we will not hear why exactly they decided that. I would love to know how "best people in business" think. To learn something.....
It definitely does feel like when some say it that they mean it in a bit of a North Korea/Glorious Leader sense.
It's a thought-terminating cliche that means "shut up and consume product!"
Blimey, your straw man arguments are tiring.
If only we were all as stoic and composed as you huh? Get of your fecking high horse.The echo chamber of hysteria here is all too much.
Needy bunch of feckers. How do you all survive in life
God forbid people are pissed off with what we've seen over the last 18 months.
It means that the person stating it wants you to know that they are a better supporter which is true if they support the manager and not necessarily true if they support the club.
Are you sure ?
We are 14th .. 7 points from 8 games..
We have 25 points from the last 20 games ..
Southampton were unlucky that they missed the penalty , else I don't know if we would have won that game
Spurs ,Liverpool hammered us at home...We still have to play against City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Newcastle twice
We posed no threat at Villa , except that Bruno freekick
We gavaway 2 goal lead in Porto and 1 goal in Twente
Our only chance of scoring goal is via Rashford and he is nowhere around the goal scoring areas ..
Oh well that's good. As long as it makes them happy.
I definitely am a terrible supporter of ETH FC
Okay I’ll give in to the classic not answer the question but ask the other person the same thing game.
They are my home team so there’s a connection. I have memories of being around Old Trafford as a little kid, being bought my first kit and hanging around post match to get autographs. It’s sentimental to me in that sense.
I love what the club was built on. Resilience and courage. I love how that has always shown through on the pitch. Fantastic fight backs when the top of English football, and even when we aren’t. Those moments. Ole v Bayern in ‘99, Amad v Liverpool in ‘23.
I love the foundation of youth. The history of it all. From the Babes and the tragedy of Munich to the same traditionalism we have now in young players and opportunity. Rare in an era of money and modernism.
I love the fans. Passionate, honest, loyal, gritty.
I could go on but yeah from the top of my head.
yes a very long break would be great- Status