You said there is hidden data that can explain why we are keeping him.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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You want me to tell you what the information it is that we don't know.
You don't see the difficulty there?
I didn't say hidden. More hysteria. This is not a James Bond film. I said the people running the club, (any club, or business) would have more data than those not working there or privy to the meetings.
I just can't see him taking it lying down. Look at his comments about "if they don't want me then I'll go and win trophies elsewhere". He's got the attitude that he's too good to be sacked. That's why I can't see it going well if they tried to go down that route.
Best case scenario for getting rid? I thought he'd go this week, it just makes the most sense. If he survived this then the best case scenario I would say is the summer. But, I could see fans flip flopping about on what they want between then, he might get another league cup with an easy run or something like that. I think there's even a chance they keep him for the duration of his contract, in the belief he'll win us the league in a few years. They might be too scared to take a chance on a risky appointment and stick with him by default. If they think another Fergie or Pep will fall into their laps then I think they're mistaken.
Basically, it'll be the summer at the earliest, but even a slight whimper of life from him, or no generational talent level managers, and they'll probably just stick with him in the belief that Woodward was the problem but their mere presence will fix everything.
Out of interest, what sort of data are you suggesting exists which would make a case for keeping Ten Hag. Because despite you inference there is quite a lot of publicly available data which only suggests we are dire under his management.
No I'm asking you to give any example of something significant that would override all the performance data. You can't.
Jesus I can't actually believe you all think you know everything.
What did they decide was ok for this season? What was the managers brief? What is their two year plan?
There is almost no data available, just the appalling football.
Do none of you have jobs?
Are you the sort of people who argue with tradesmen and doctors?
What a nonsense reply. Stop trying to deflect from the fact that you made a false claim that posters were using zero data.
Neither of us know what was said at the meeting, but one thing we do know is that there is a large amount of publicly available data which shows us performing historically badly under Ten Hag’s management, and that data has been repeatedly used by posters here.
So again, what data do you imagine the owners have access to that outweighs all of that?
You don’t need more data the the table of this and last year to see our manager is sh*t to be honest. And it’s even worse when you watch our games.
Just don’t see the point of dragging the inevitable. I don’t see this mythical manager they are on the hunt for emerging anytime soon. Who are they waiting for anyway?
Not gonna lie this whole Ten Hag debacle has been embarrassing stuff for INEOS, it was highly probable we’ll be in the situation we are right now last season, yet they decided to extend. Amateur hour really.
So much negativity and it’s barely been 10 games. It’s mad the way this club operates.
Not gonna lie this whole Ten Hag debacle has been embarrassing stuff for INEOS, it was highly probable we’ll be in the situation we are right now last season, yet they decided to extend. Amateur hour really.
So much negativity and it’s barely been 10 games. It’s mad the way this club operates.
It's the same when people say that losing to Liverpool earlier was expected.
No it fecking wasn't, not in his third season and 600 million spend, that's just pathetic.
fecking hell I give up. You really think you have as much information as the owners? Despite admitting you have no idea what was said at the monthly catch up. I'm not sure I said zero data but we are not privy to their thoughts or plans.
If that meeting doesn't fit your criteria for things you don't know then I can't help you.
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I don't know what to make of that. He's always been well connected at the club but now they don't even want to talk to him about this meeting? Not even backing him?
I've no doubt he's staying, but this approach just seems nonsensical. Do they not realise they're just stoking the flames. To firstly tell him that he'll be here for the next two games, a pretty ominous statement itself, but to then refuse to add any further clarification after the fact? It's all a bit bewildering really.
I didn’t claim that.
You claimed posters were using zero data. That is false. Why did you claim something that is untrue?
I think there are a myriad of reasons why they haven't said anything or even sacked EtH, it could be financial limits, or availability of a replacement, or maybe an ongoing negotiation with a replacement, or anything else really.
But, only on whether to keep or sack Ten Hag, there is no reason to keep Ten Hag, the only data that matters is performances on the pitch and results, such data is already in the public domain and that's the only data that matters, there is no secret data that they have that isn't in the public domain regarding sacking ten Hag.
You're clutching a straws. There is data we have zero access to. You can disagree but stop trying to frame it like I'm lying.I don't know why anybody was expecting the board meeting to change anything. Sir Jim clearly said
He quite clearly said that he would have no part to make in the decision. If he had no part in the decision, how could it be decided by a board meeting he had a vote on?
He quite clearly said that he would have no part to make in the decision. If he had no part in the decision, how could it be decided by a board meeting he had a vote on?
With all that in the summer you would think that - if they’re set on keeping him - they would be very quick to brief their backing for Ten Hag
With that, I assume he isn’t safe
But at the same time I would have expected some more flames by now if he was going
I guess if they're sticking with Erik they'd at least say so when questioned...you'd think.
No I don’t argue with my doctor.
But don’t reverse the argument. You are saying us to don’t trust what we have under our eyes like the executives are all doing a great job because they are where they are.
So Woodward was doing a great job because he had a big team of analysts and football experts ?
By the way, do you know a bad doctor can exist ? Knowledge don’t make people infallible, you need to have logic and common sense to use it wisely.
So you're saying potentially INEOS have said it's acceptable to carry on performing like a bottom half side all season? Fair enough.
Even more concerning if so. Once mediocrity it accepted by the board it will become the norm.
Hope you’re right.
Okay this is actually hilarious. Might want to update that windows 96 mate the new internet will shock you.
He's been responsible for over 2 years of that moses. We had a very brief moment where he was able to actually reach United standards early on in his first season and it's gradually declined since then (you could argue that was simply a new Manager bounce). Honestly, I think it's ok to accept that he's simply not cut out to be a Manager at a big club and part ways. I don't see why some people believe that we should stick by him through thick and thin. Like what's the reasoning?
Surely there are many Managers that would be able to make us more coherent in attack or be able to stop us leaking goals. We've got a GD of +11 over 83 PL games. In our last 20 PL Games we have a win percentage of 30%. In our last 30 PL Games our win percentage is 37%. Like how terrible do we have to be before we actually think that maybe, just maybe it's the Manager?
Well there is data we don't have. That's true.
The performances have been appalling and nobody could really defend ETH from a sacking. That's also true I reckon.
But if we are discussing data we don't have then we are into hypotheticals. I can't believe that nobody can think of information that idiots like us don't have on one of the biggest football clubs in the world. Do you lot know everything about every club?
Do you know what the aim was for league position this year? And what were the criteria for the manager keeping his job? That's quite pertinent info.
We obviously need a fresh start.EtH isn't the man to take us to the very top given what we've seen so far, it's almost impossible to think he will turn it around to a point where we are genuine title contenders top 4-6 is probably his ceiling which for a club like ours isn't good enough.
I'm certain it's a matter of when not if he'll be sacked but that's a decision for the execs and no amount of name calling on social media or everyone calling Inoes pathetic is going to change that.
I understand the frustration I feel it as well but some of you need to take a bit of time out of this discussion some of the posts on here are truly astonishing.
I'm certain it's a matter of when not if he'll be sacked but that's a decision for the execs and no amount of name calling on social media or everyone calling Inoes pathetic is going to change that.
I understand the frustration I feel it as well but some of you need to take a bit of time out of this discussion some of the posts on here are truly astonishing.
Romano spends half his time telling us how safe Ten Hag is and how INEOS love him. Now he's trying to get a piece of the non action.
We don't know those answers for sure but are you saying you couldn't even have an educated guess? Like you have no clue whatsoever?
I'm pretty sure they didn't say the worst start to a Premier League ever and being in 12th spot was OK.
Maybe sounding out potential replacements and if they can't find anyone then they'll release a statement saying they're sticking with him? It is odd given all the media attention that they aren't backing him if they decided to stick.
I didn't say don't trust what you can see.
I never said the executives are doing a great job.
Knowledge does not indeed made one infallible but its better to have it than not when trying to understand something.
Almost certainly they didn't say that. But what if the minimum they did set is achievable from here?
They may have a two year plan..m more likely than a two month plan.
I'm not defending the manager. Just don't think it's all rotten from top to bottom. He might be sacked tomorrow.
No, you specifically accused posters of being hysterical and outraged with zero data. It’s there in black and white that you said this. But that claim is just not true. Posters have used lots of data to show that we’ve been historically bad under Ten Hag. Which again, is all there in black and white.
Now you’re desperately trying to change the goal posts because you’ve been called out on your dishonest nonsense.
These guys seem like complete amateurs, uncertainty only adds to the low morale and mood among the players and coaching staff. Make a clear decision, communicate it and stand behind it. All this dilly dallying makes us look like a small club.
Rule in here seems to be "Ten Hag set to stay" everybody believes the report no matter the source and starts going in on INEOS. "Ten Hag future uncertain amid further internal talks" It's all "unreliable source, don't believe it".
I'm not desperately to do anything.
I do think there is a lebel of hysterica here and also a huge deficit of information.
We can see the poor results but there is a more data than that available at this level. There are teams of analytical people of all sorts at United. And we have zero access to that data nd you think none of that is relevant? That's fine.
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