Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

Erik ten Hag

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Zumbi said:
How about points gained so far this season? Atrocious, not far off relegation form.

How about points gained in his past fifteen or so league matches? Atrocious, pretty much relegation form.
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Performances. We've had more encouraging performances structurally and in terms of underlying data than we did last season where we were wide open and fortunate to win a lot of games.

I am not saying these are good enough by the way, I'm just saying we've had better performances vs Villa Southampton Palace and in extended periods of Fulham and Brighton than we did last season.
 
pseudo_canadian said:
fecking delusional.
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No I actually think structurally we have been better this season compared to last and I'm sure the data backs that up as @VP89 suggests.

However we were fecking shite last year.

Now we're merely slightly better than fecking shite but still mostly fecking shite.
 
Fallon d'Floor said:
Apart from extending his deal by a year, it should be looked at that they invested in the club, not the manager.

The 5 signings they made should be useable by any manager they hire. Unless they were all largely decided by ten Hag, which would be worrying.
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Of the 5 signings, it's blatantly obvious that Ten Hag had a massive say in 3 of them, and was told we were signing the other 2.
 
I got the feeling of being a true midtable team for the first time today. Ineos can't continue with this for too long...surely?:(
 
matherto said:
No I actually think structurally we have been better this season compared to last and I'm sure the data backs that up as @VP89 suggests.

However we were fecking shite last year.

Now we're merely slightly better than fecking shite but still mostly fecking shite.
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Right and that's pretty much what I've said. It's not good enough, but it's better than last season. A narrative that we are relegation fighters is as exaggerative as one suggesting we are in a CL race.

But yeah I'm a delusional troll for suggesting that. We must be a relegation dogfight team.
 


Doesn’t sound like he’s going anywhere. “IF it gets to that point” I mean we’re currently 14th with a negative goal difference, what point does it need to get to, genuine threat of relegation?
 
Amazing how there's this much discussion really. Surely (naive idiot alert) everyone's in agreement that it's time to move on. It can barely get worse.
 
VP89 said:
Right and that's pretty much what I've said. It's not good enough, but it's better than last season. A narrative that we are relegation fighters is as exaggerative as one suggesting we are in a CL race.

But yeah I'm a delusional troll for suggesting that. We must be a relegation dogfight team.
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To be fair, if we carry on doing the numbers we're doing, we won't get very far above relegation. We're atrocious.
 
So instead of Sacking him now and give the new manager 2 weeks to get to know the team. They will sack him after he fecks up the next 5 games, costing us EL and top 6. Then the new manager will have exactly 2 days to train new tactics with the team. Genius.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:


Doesn’t sound like he’s going anywhere. “IF it gets to that point” I mean we’re currently 14th with a negative goal difference, what point does it need to get to, genuine threat of relegation?
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How 'expensive' are we talking here ?
 
VP89 said:
Performances. We've had more encouraging performances structurally and in terms of underlying data than we did last season where we were wide open and fortunate to win a lot of games.

I am not saying these are good enough by the way, I'm just saying we've had better performances vs Villa Southampton Palace and in extended periods of Fulham and Brighton than we did last season.
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Your standards are on the floor if you’re encouraged by the very minor improvements we’ve seen in a very small number of performances against some pretty poor opposition this season. And those are easily outweighed by the continuation of a whole range of fundamental issues which still result in us massively underperforming in a large percentage of our matches, especially against any half decent opposition.

And why is last season your benchmark for comparison? Our worst ever premier league campaign should not be the barometer we use when signs of meaningful improvement are assessed. It’s like comparing one turd with an even bigger, stinkier turd - it’s still just a steaming pile of shit.
 
VP89 said:
Right and that's pretty much what I've said. It's not good enough, but it's better than last season. A narrative that we are relegation fighters is as exaggerative as one suggesting we are in a CL race.

But yeah I'm a delusional troll for suggesting that. We must be a relegation dogfight team.
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Everton have more points than United in the last 15 PL games. Everton.
 
AaronRedDevil said:
So instead of Sacking him now and give the new manager 2 weeks to get to know the team. They will sack him after he fecks up the next 5 games, costing us EL and top 6. Then the new manager will have exactly 2 days to train new tactics with the team. Genius.
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It’s looking likely that’s the way things are going to play out. So much for these “best in class” appointments. Even that clown Woodward would’ve got shot of this guy by now.
 
slyadams said:
Not at all, Ineos will not want their first really major decision as football operators being to admit they made a huge mistake over the summer. They're going to give him as much time as they possibly can.
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everyones aloud to make a mistake. It’s how long it takes to rectify it that everyone will judge them for. They was in there right to give him a chance under different terms but it hasn’t worked out and whilst only playing 7 games in the season, we can still fix this season. We have a decent enough squad to be challenging for top 4.
 
To the posters trying to put a positive spin on this. Open your fecking eyes. This is relegation form right now! 14th could very quickly become 16th or 17th over the coming weeks.

He has to be sacked next week.
 
I think he will stay which will be shambolic
 
He goes into compact conservative style of play when he’s under serious pressure. Once the pressure is alleviated we go back to his kamikaze 5 players press the opposition back four playstyle.

It’s insane how some fans can’t see this happening.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:


Doesn’t sound like he’s going anywhere. “IF it gets to that point” I mean we’re currently 14th with a negative goal difference, what point does it need to get to, genuine threat of relegation?
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Are you aware you are quoting a journo? Does it really make sense to analyse their phrasing?
Berbaclass said:
~15 Million
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Didn't Athletic report 17.5 million?
 
Superunknown said:
If you look at the table in ascending order, we're actually 7th. Only 7 points off the top, too.

Trust the process, heh?
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I do trust the process! Just like I trust corrosion, combustion, shitting one's pantaloons and other similar processes.
 
pseudo_canadian said:
Definitely staying. If he was gone we’d be hearing more by now.

Absolute clown show.
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They’d rather write off the season than admit their mistake in keeping him this summer. That is my take if he isn’t sacked this coming week.
 
BarstoolProphet said:
In a world where Liverpool sits top of the table and Manchester United are flirting with relegation, Manchester United legend Gary Neville looks at our performances and results and thinks "let's have some more of that", just because he has some fecked up ideology that says no manager should ever be sacked.
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A few months ago I might have looked at our disciplined defense today and thought "yeah, there's some hope." But the last eighteen months of false dawn's have taught me that nothing will change, we'll continue to be shite, and when you really think about it Aston Villa were monumentally shite today and we got lucky.

We haven't got a God given right to win but, feck me, the club deserves better than this shite.
 
This situation has become completely desperate. This is as bad as it gets for a club like United and there's still inaction from the execs. They need to swallow their pride, admit their mistake and fix the problem they caused in the summer.
 
NZT-One said:
Are you aware you are quoting a journo? Does it really make sense to analyse their phrasing?

Didn't Athletic report 17.5 million?
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Yes, I’m well aware. He’s also a very reliable journalist and judging by the tone of what he’s saying since the game it sounds more likely Ten Hags staying than going. That may change though, let’s hope for the clubs sake it does.
 
Sounds like he's going nowhere then. The fact that INEOS came in, looked at this idiot scraping 8th place in the league and thought "yes, let's give him a contract extention and build our squad around him" is seriously alarming.
 
We're fecked, aren't we? I've never known a situation where everybody knows a manager needs to be sacked, the fans practically all want him gone, the results and performances are diabolical, and yet not only is he not sacked, he's backed to the tune of another £200m.

I went through this despair with Ole, I never thought we'd sink like this again. We'd never stand by a falling manager for far longer than needed. Yet here we are. We really are a basket case.

My worry now is that these guys in charge can't handle the pressure and scrutiny of leading this club, frozen by fear of making a wrong decision. That's what the summer was, and that's what is happening now. At least under previous regimes they had the nuts to get rid of a club legend, legendary coaches, Sir Alex's choice etc. These guys can't even pull the trigger on some Dutch bloke nobody would give two shits about in a weeks time.
 
ShinjiNinja26 said:
Yes, I’m well aware. He’s also a very reliable journalist and judging by the tone of what he’s saying since the game it sounds more likely Ten Hags staying than going. That may change though, let’s hope for the clubs sake it does.
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Reliable or not, I don't think, he will be allowed to quote word for word.
 
The simple fact is the club is broke and FFP will stop them spending £15-17 million on getting shut of TH. Unless they can do some fancy jiggery pokery with finance, this mantra 'we dont want to let him go after x games' will go on for ages, maybe until the new year.
 
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