Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked

[Yagami]

Happy to hear we're sticking with him. Not that I had any doubt we would. I also saw this performance away to Villa coming a mile away.

As people can see, there are still plenty defending ten Hag. Now is not the time to sack him. We must keep him until the majority can admit he's not good enough and that, yes, a manager should be held accountable for the horrendous football we play.

I'm surprised people thought we'd actually sack him anyway. We'll do anything we can to avoid sacking managers, and two draws away to Porto and Villa was always going to be enough. Thankfully so.

 

[croadyman]

We already knew that. The financial repercussions.

But it's now a matter of having the balls to admit they made a mistake after The FA Cup final. They obviously tried to replace him, but weren't in full control at that point. Now that they have their key staff in positions, it's time for them to earn their money. They should have had contingency plans in place, as this situation was always going to happen. Even if it's a case of Ruud as interim for a few weeks.

I don't think they have contingency plans, shambles

 

[DJ_21]

It’s an easy decision to sack him. When Ruud got brought in people knew there was a plan. Incase of ETH failing this season and being sacked then he could step in until the end of the season whilst we go out and sign whoever we want as a manager. If we want the next best in class like they said they did. Then we’re gonna have to pay for someone like Inzaghi.

 

[croadyman]

If they’re not going to sack him it seems they’ve decided the players are to blame. I hope they realise just how much of an expensive mistake this is going to be

They soon will when there is little interest in Antony along with Bruno and Rashford on daft wages

 

[DJ_21]

If they’re not going to sack him it seems they’ve decided the players are to blame. I hope they realise just how much of an expensive mistake this is going to be

If they don’t sack him during this break and we come back and lose to Brentford things are going to get a whole lot messier. Fans will then start turning on them a lot more. No better chance than now. They may aswell admit there mistake and move on

 

[croadyman]

Good point. There’s certainly an air of “well that’s not how we do things at United” as an attitude towards a lot of things, which seems to damage decision making processes.

Yeah you are absolutely spot on, too worried about not wanting to be seen as a sacking club

 

[Insanity]

Brentford
Fener (a)
West Ham (a)
Leicester EFL Cup
Chelsea
PAOK
Leicester

Those are the fixtures before the next international break. Only two away fixtures and some easy games (at least on paper) at home. I think Erik Ten Houdini will pull wins in both the Leicester games and the game against PAOK to once again save his job. 3 wins out of 7 plus another draw against Chelsea or Brentford at home is a good return for Manchester United these days. That kind of run could see us give him a new contract plus promise to sign another 200m worth of Dutch or his ex-players.

 

[GreatDane]

Not fired and no fresh tweets regarding it yet?
I need something to give me hope.

 

[Werd.]

Here's hoping no news is good news.

 

[croadyman]

Hate to bring this up, but would have the Qataris been so seemingly relaxed with this mediocrity and dramatic fall in standards?

They definitely wouldn't, one of my biggest frustrations is there wasn't a non state full sale option on the table unfortunately. Needed the NBA or NFL guys to come to table

 

[Uncle Mainoo]

Brentford
Fener (a)
West Ham (a)
Leicester EFL Cup
Chelsea
PAOK
Leicester

Those are the fixtures before the next international break. Only two away fixtures and some easy games (at least on paper) at home. I think Erik Ten Houdini will pull wins in both the Leicester games and the game against PAOK to once again save his job. 3 wins out of 7 plus another draw against Chelsea or Brentford at home is a good return for Manchester United these days. That kind of run could see us give him a new contract plus promise to sign another 200m worth of Dutch or his ex-players.

We won’t win a game. You clearly have not been watching this team.

Either we won’t score or we will try to score and get beat convincingly like most games we try to attack.

 

[VP89]

Your standards are on the floor if you’re encouraged by the very minor improvements we’ve seen in a very small number of performances against some pretty poor opposition this season. And those are easily outweighed by the continuation of a whole range of fundamental issues which still result in us massively underperforming in a large percentage of our matches, especially against any half decent opposition.

And why is last season your benchmark for comparison? Our worst ever premier league campaign should not be the barometer we use when signs of meaningful improvement are assessed. It’s like comparing one turd with an even bigger, stinkier turd - it’s still just a steaming pile of shit.

My standards aren't on the floor. Read my post you first quoted properly and try again. You're now arguing for the sake of arguing.

 

[Amsterdam Devil]

So he stays on even longer after that marvelous result against Villa. What a shit show Ineos is creating here.

 

[Pexbo]

So he stays on even longer after that marvelous result against Villa. What a shit show Ineos is creating here.

The meeting is tomorrow evening apparently. It’s an international break so they have breathing space to make the decision. My gut says he will be announced as departing the club on Wednesday morning.

 

[red_de_pologne]

Seeing as the alternative is Ruud until end of the season, which is a hell of a long time, and supposedly easier run of fixtures in the nearest future, they might as well give him until another international break before spending 15m on his sacking. I imagine this is INEOS' thinking.

 

[tenpoless]

Maybe he should start growing some hair back so he can rock Ronaldo 9 World Cup style. Would take some pressure off his performances and get people commenting on his hair instead. Worked for Ronaldo, might work for him too.

 

[DJ_21]

If villa scored that easy chance at the end then this looks very different and most of this place would be confident of a sacking. It’s sad how a draw saves that from happening. Our recent form is atrocious and managers have been sacked in the past for losses and ending on a draw.

 

[IncyWincySpider]

We've gone from winning the FA Cup being enough to save him to drawing with Villa being enough to save him.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Think back to why we thought he would be an upgrade over Ole:

1) Tactical competence: We thought he'd be able to switch tactics midgame, be able to recognize what works against what opponent. FAIL

2) Not playing favorites: Drop underperforming players and play guys who are in form. FAIL

3) Raising standards: Came in saying we want to win every game, want to challenge for the big trophies. half a billion plus and 2 years later standards are at an all time low. We haven't won three games in a row in ages.

He got us an FA cup and a mickey mouse cup. He promoted Kobbie and Garnacho however I do not trust them to develop to their full potential under his care. It would have been the perfect time to sack him after the FA cup final but INEOS fecked up. Now instead of doubling down, they need to cut their losses asap and get a new manager in who will have a decent foundation of young technical players.

 

[Zumbi]

My standards aren't on the floor. Read my post you first quoted properly and try again. You're now arguing for the sake of arguing.

Yes, your standards are on the floor. I can tell by the way you’ve spent a good chunk of our worst premier league start ever trying to tell us how “improved” and “encouraging” some of the performances are. It’s laughable.

 

[Nogho]

My interest in watching United is totally gone after 30 years. Tuning in with an ambivalent feeling of wanna win versus wanna loose every game is just dreadful.

This egomaniac idiot had ruined my big interest in football. I even get angry just seeing a picture of him.

So, no more watching United before his gone. It feels so sad but also a relief to know that you don’t have to go through this nightmare every time.

I know I’m not the only one. It’s even written about here in Sweden in our biggest outlet. About supporters almost shed to tears because of that man. In a country far from Manchester.

This starting to feel like a worthless politician that no one likes who is ruining peoples life but who you can’t get rid of. Terrifying.

 

[VP89]

Yes, your standards are on the floor. I can tell by the way you’ve spent a good chunk of our worst premier league start ever trying to tell us how “improved” and “encouraging” some of the performances are. It’s laughable.

I didn't say our results are encouraging, and I didn't say they were good enough. You're now arguing for the sake of arguing, once again talking about general nonsense that I'm not implying.

Certain performances were improved and encouraging relative to last season, like it or lump it. They're also still not good enough. These are not mutual exclusive statements, you understand this right

I'd also not need to spend a good chunk explaining this if you could read the post properly the first time.

 

[Mourinhonista]

Is this like the Arteta situation? No one understood why Arse didn't sack him, he pulled through and came out on top. Can Ten Hag do the same? Similarly he has won a cup and is Antony United's Pepe? Just trying to see reason. I would've sacked Ten Hag too by now.

 

[In Rainbows]

The improvement in our play is so minimal, that there is no point in even talking about the improvement. The improvement is calls for getting sacked as it is.

I've brought it up before, but in xPts we were in 15th place, even though through variance (in our favor), results left us in 8th place. Now variance is not going our way, so our 10th place in xPts is leaving us with 14th place results. The overall trend is clear. United are like a 10th-12th performing side over like 50 PL matches.

Anyone arguing for Ten Hag has their standards on the floor. They have no logical arguments for keeping him in the role if the whole point of sticking with him is that we will eventually challenge for the PL and CL. We know through evidence that this will not be the case. Instead, all they have is faith that things will come good because Fergie came good 30 years ago, and also because of Arteta. That's not really evidence. It's a pure faith belief system.

 

[justsomebloke]

Thanks for that.
But I will take it on board next time someone at work is not meeting their targets due to lack of confidence and belief in our company but I do fear he will be given his notice and will be out of a job.

That's probably all for the best for him, if he works for a company so mind-numbingly stupid that it thinks such things doesn't matter to performance.

 

[kouroux]

My interest in watching United is totally gone after 30 years. Tuning in with an ambivalent feeling of wanna win versus wanna loose every game is just dreadful.

This egomaniac idiot had ruined my big interest in football. I even get angry just seeing a picture of him.

So, no more watching United before his gone. It feels so sad but also a relief to know that you don’t have to go through this nightmare every time.

I know I’m not the only one. It’s even written about here in Sweden in our biggest outlet. About supporters almost shed to tears because of that man. In a country far from Manchester.

This starting to feel like a worthless politician that no one likes who is ruining peoples life but who you can’t get rid of. Terrifying.

I really feel a lot similarly and I hate how I have developed an irrational dislike for our manager. I hate how he makes me feel whenever they zoom in, I hate how I can't help disliking him.
Football isn't supposed to be like that

 

[VP89]

When will you take it seriously? His team for 3 years have barely scored. In fact, it's gotten worse over his time in charge. In this case you probably should take is a serious metric. We haven't scored in the league for 3 games against shite opposition. Tottenham play with such a high line perfectly setup for us to play against and yet we still couldn't score. Goals scored is absolutely a metric you should take seriously.

You're just getting annoyed without actually reading the posts I've made in this debate, I'm certain of it.

 

[Sarni]

Happy to hear we're sticking with him. Not that I had any doubt we would. I also saw this performance away to Villa coming a mile away.

As people can see, there are still plenty defending ten Hag. Now is not the time to sack him. We must keep him until the majority can admit he's not good enough and that, yes, a manager should be held accountable for the horrendous football we play.

I'm surprised people thought we'd actually sack him anyway. We'll do anything we can to avoid sacking managers, and two draws away to Porto and Villa was always going to be enough. Thankfully so.

I’m actually inclining to side with you here. Many who were so firmly behind him after FA Cup final are now turning on him when we’ve simply maintained our form of the preceding 18 months, you can almost say we are getting exactly what we paid for. We have to stand by him after we made that decision, only if performances get worse than last season we can start thinking about replacing him but we won’t know until the end of year as Erik himself warned us - he might still win League Cup or FA Cup and earn himself another season even if we finish in the bottom half.

And even if Arteta and Klopp were quicker to turn things around (were they?), you cannot forget it took Ferguson more than 5 years. We have to give Erik at least that.

 

[Zumbi]

I didn't say our results are encouraging, and I didn't say they were good enough. Your comprehension is extremely poor and you're now arguing for the sake of arguing, once again talking about general nonsense that I'm not implying.

Certain performances were improved and encouraging relative to last season, like it or lump it. They're also still not good enough. These are not mutual exclusive statements, you understand this right

I'd also not need to spend a good chunk explaining this if you could read the post properly the first time.

I never said you did. Reread my post and stop strawmanning - as per usual.

I said you’ve spent a good chunk of our worst premier league start ever saying our performances are “encouraging” and “improving”, as if they’re not still mostly garbage.

Why use our worst premier league campaign ever as the point of comparison? Shouldn’t our standards be much higher than that?

 

[Suv666]

Convinced the only reason he isn’t getting sacked is the payout

There is no way anyone can possibly think he can turn this around.

 

[Chicharo]

- There is no improvement of play. He got all the signings he asked for, yet we still lack a recognizable pattern of play and are pretty much dependent on individual player performances.
- He won 1 out of 10 European games
- He now holds the unfortunate record for the club’s two worst starts to a season in the Premier League.
- He's tried every possible defensive rotation, whether due to injuries or tactical changes, yet each time the players fail to deliver. The similar goes for the midfield. But, he refuses to drop Bruno.
- His statements and excuses are ridiculous

I fail to see a single reason for him to stay.

 

[Lay]

It will diabolical if he isn't sacked. What is there to cling any hope to?

 

[Bondi77]

That's probably all for the best for him, if he works for a company so mind-numbingly stupid that it thinks such things doesn't matter.

It won't be good for him when he has to pay the mortgage and look after the missus and the kids if he is out of a job!
But that is in the world most of us live in and have to give our best each day regardless.

 

[Zumbi]

Is this like the Arteta situation? No one understood why Arse didn't sack him, he pulled through and came out on top. Can Ten Hag do the same? Similarly he has won a cup and is Antony United's Pepe? Just trying to see reason. I would've sacked Ten Hag too by now.

No it’s not. There was linear progression under Arteta - they got a better PL points total each season under him. In contrast, there’s been a linear regression under Ten Hag.

 

[VP89]

I never said you did. Reread my post and stop strawmanning - as per usual.

I said you’ve spent a good chunk of our worst premier league start ever saying our performances are “encouraging” and “improving”, as if they’re not still mostly garbage.

Why use our worst premier league campaign ever as the point of comparison? Shouldn’t our standards be much higher than that?

Do you know what strawmanning is? I spoke about performances and you crowbarred the end results into it, not me.

Then you had a good moan about how I've spent a good chunk of explaining myself when it's clearly because you didn't actually read my post properly to begin with.

You might want to park your hyperbole by the way, games like Southampton, Fulham, Palace, Villa weren't "garbage".

As to your last question, read the fecking post again

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Horrific football. 3 years, zero progress. Probably the luckiest manager in the world because he is still employed.

 

[ayushreddevil9]

Do you know what strawmanning is? I spoke about performances and you crowbarred the end results into it, not me.

Then you had a good moan about how I've spent a good chunk of explaining myself when it's clearly because you didn't actually read my post properly to begin with.

As to your last question, read the fecking post again

I have read all posts in this conversation between you two and @Zumbi is right. And please, don’t ask me to read the fecking posts again.

 

[VP89]

I have read all posts in this conversation between you two and @Zumbi is right. And please, don’t ask me to read the fecking posts again.

With respect I couldn't care less who you agree with. Don't accuse me of say implying anything I didn't say and I won't need to.

 

[Micky Targaryen]

I’m actually inclining to side with you here. Many who were so firmly behind him after FA Cup final are now turning on him when we’ve simply maintained our form of the preceding 18 months, you can almost say we are getting exactly what we paid for. We have to stand by him after we made that decision, only if performances get worse than last season we can start thinking about replacing him but we won’t know until the end of year as Erik himself warned us - he might still win League Cup or FA Cup and earn himself another season even if we finish in the bottom half.

And even if Arteta and Klopp were quicker to turn things around (were they?), you cannot forget it took Ferguson more than 5 years. We have to give Erik at least that.

Can't tell if you're actually trolling here...

 

[saivet]

Credit is due. That was a pretty good performance against Villa away. If we put that game in isolation, it's not a game to be based on sacking him.

Hasn't changed my mind that he should be gone though. ASAP.

The result wasn't bad but even I actually think in isolation, that performance was pretty bad. Villa were awful and weren't much better. If one of our rivals out in that kind of performance against that Villa performance (with a few injuries too) I wouldn't be impressed at all.