The simple fact is the club is broke and FFP will stop them spending £15-17 million on getting shut of TH. Unless they can do some fancy jiggery pokery with finance, this mantra 'we dont want to let him go after x games' will go on for ages, maybe until the new year.
Erik ten Hag | 2024/25 | Sacked
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The Glazers are still here. They could still have control over the release of funds i.e. compensation for ten hag.
Yeah I have accepted he's here until next break
Thanks for that.
But I will take it on board next time someone at work is not meeting their targets due to lack of confidence and belief in our company but I do fear he will be given his notice and will be out of a job.
Who would be that right manager for you?
Apparent Joel Glazer is flying over on Tue. Hopefully this is a sign that ETH is going to be relieved of his duties.
Re the £17m, I read recently that Ineos do not have to pay that.
Re the £17m, I read recently that Ineos do not have to pay that.
I wish INEOS were saying that to him this week but don't see them pulling the trigger
If they didn't do it last summer, or now, then they're not doing it any time soon. In fact, if we can string 3 or 4 wins together, no matter the opponent, they'll probably give him a new contract. For reasons unknown to everyone, they're seemingly all in on this guy. Perhaps they're relying on Gary Neville for advice, SJR does have a penchant for nostalgia by the looks of it (eg hiring RVN).
Somehow I feel like you would still be arguing his case if the end of the season comes and we're 17th because we didn't get relegated. You never tire of playing devil's advocate
Another way to look at it, and I'm not saying I'm right, is;
Twenty years ago a bunch of idiots buy the club, and don't know what they're doing. They hire senior management, who are idiots who don't know what they're doing. They hire managers who are idiots who don't know what they're doing, who hire staff who...
And on and on it goes. The proverbial blind leading the blind, for two decades. Anyone who was at the club before the idiots turned up will be ignored in place of whichever idiots are friends with the higher up idiots, so no matter how good you are you won't get a seat at the decision table, because Dickhead McGee has played golf with Arseface Arseson for the last ten years, and they swap wives and dogs at the weekend for some orgy feck fun. It's a story as old as time.
And then INEOS rock up. Sir Jim doesn't know what he's doing. BUT he knows this because he's not an idiot, so he hires some of the best in the industry. They're put on gardening leave and, despite how many folk here seem to think that it's fine to break that and securely work for the club at full capacity, it's not. They may have sneakily been involved in many higher level decisions but, ultimately, they're being actioned by historical idiots who don't know what they're doing, hired by idiots who don't etc etc.
The reality is that "INEOS", ie our new senior team, have only been in the job for a few months. Omar has a question mark against his name because he's been promoted into the role of CEO, but the rest have a strong track record in the sport at their current levels and I have confidence that eventually they'll stop sniffing glue and realise that Ten Hag is the absolute fecking worst.
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If the reason truly is financial, then that makes the decision to keep him in the summer even [worse]. If you know you won't be able to sack a coach in the worst case scenario, then the last thing you do is give them a fecking contract extension, especially on the back of our worst ever PL and European performances in a season. If the decision isn't financial, well then that's even more worrying.
I feel like a lot of us want to believe in INEOS, but him still being in a job at the end of this week will cause me to lose all faith I had in them, and that is looking likely. There really is no defending it from any rational point of view.
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When will you take it seriously? His team for 3 years have barely scored. In fact, it's gotten worse over his time in charge. In this case you probably should take is a serious metric. We haven't scored in the league for 3 games against shite opposition. Tottenham play with such a high line perfectly setup for us to play against and yet we still couldn't score. Goals scored is absolutely a metric you should take seriously.
I'm still perplexed at how the messaging a week ago was "has next 2 games to save job" adjacent (which was already tragically funny). And he barely hangs on with two draws in both games, and all of a sudden the reports seem to convey that he's done enough to keep his job. What the hell is happening to us?
It’s not even that complex. What you say is true, but why are people parping on about performances?
We have 3 wins all season in all comps. We are 14th in the league on negative goal difference.
The performances are atrocious. We have a good sample size of games to see how badly we will do with this guy in charge. There is ZERO sign of any major project in the off thats suddenly going to spark into life. This is all it will ever be, and all it has been since march 2022. We wanted to believe that ETH’s new manager bounce was the start of something bigger. It wasnt.
‘we aren’t conceding 30 shots a game’. Its like when Alan Partridge says ‘still, good news about the chocolate oranges’.
We’re 14th in the league and a 0-0 draw to Villa is now considered a very good result for us.
This is the absolute lowest point of the last 11 years.
"Before anyone thinks about excuses, no, we have to win every game. I know that. The team knows this and it doesn't matter who is available we will focus on every game and in every game have the mindset that we have to win."
He has said this before the Southampton match.
So 1 win of those 6 matches (The result against Barnsley was amazing but this match should have always been a win)......and now he only says "Judge us in May"
Plus 60 minutes against Southampton and 45 minutes against Crystal Palace with fantastic football.....but the other 435 minutes were so terrible.
He has said this before the Southampton match.
So 1 win of those 6 matches (The result against Barnsley was amazing but this match should have always been a win)......and now he only says "Judge us in May"
Plus 60 minutes against Southampton and 45 minutes against Crystal Palace with fantastic football.....but the other 435 minutes were so terrible.
You can argue that 3 games is a short time. Our goal difference over the past 62 games is +6. We've been crap for way way too long, and getting worse imo:
I think giving him a contract extension in the summer was the dumbest decision I can think of. Even if they thought that he should continue, I hated this idea that you need an extension just because you don't want the speculation. It's exactly what we do with players handing out ridiculous & unwarranted contracts which leads to a mercenary culture at the club from top to bottom. Let him be under pressure for his job with no further contract, what's the worst that could have happened in that scenario? Instead we ended up with even more money tied up to a useless manager. Not a problem though because we can always get 1-2 million from selling the shit winger he got us for 80 million
Credit is due. That was a pretty good performance against Villa away. If we put that game in isolation, it's not a game to be based on sacking him.
Hasn't changed my mind that he should be gone though. ASAP.
Hasn't changed my mind that he should be gone though. ASAP.
1 loss and 1 draw (which is entirely possible going on recent results) will have us in the relegation zone if Crystal Palace get 2 wins in a row in the next few games.
Crazy. Absolutely insane to even think about.
On the other hand, Malacia played 39 matches for United before the injury, and didn't seem any convincing or promising to say the least. He had 2687 minutes on the pitch to covince us that he is the right man for the job and he failed. Not to mention his unprofessional attitude. If rumours are true, he went back to Holland to get his surgery done even though the club wanted to have the surgery done elsewhere, and then simply disappeared for 2 months so at the club no one actually knew how his recovery is going.
It's getting to the point where I think you guys are genuinely insane
The money isn't there to sack him simple as that. He would have stayed even if we had lost I think, it's depressing.
In the Summer, I said that it was vital that ETH be sacked.
The issue we have now is that the team is hitting depths hitherto not seen for decades.
Last year was our poorest start to an EPL campaign.
That negative record has now been broken again and ETH probably thinks that he is doing a good job.
ETH's MUFC is getting progressively worse and only a moron would ignore this.
I personally, wouldn't fire ETH right now - I'd tell him that he will be replaced in the Summer and look for a replacement (in the next 3 months) to come into the team in late May. The new hire could start having input on transfers before he arrives in May. Transfer targets should be lined up well in advance. This will be a well-planned turnaround for the manager's role. No panicking. No knee-jerk reaction. Just a well-planned change of manager. Top clubs do this often.
What happened in the last few months is that INEOS believed that ETH was a better option than all the other options available in the summer. They were wrong (as I knew would be the case). Now what will happen is that they will panic and probably fire him soon. They'll have a caretaker manager and this season will be a write-off.
INEOS are just as incompetent as their predecessors. Some may think that I am being premature in my assessment, but I believe they will continue bumbling their way through the seasons, as they did a few months back.
Had we got a Middle Eastern owner, I guarantee that swift action would've been taken in the Summer and ETH would've been replaced. For some reason, those who demand results, don't need to wait and assess a poor-performing manager. Our board, for the last 10 years don't seem to demand results and tends to hang onto managers who are not good enough.
In any case, this season is now a write-off and we can only hope that INEOS take their time to hire the right person and plan correctly so that the new person arrives in late May. What I think will actually happen is that INEOS will not do any planning and will simply "react" to what is going on.
Team is in the bottom half of the table - fire the manager.
We have no manager? Ask Ruud (or someone else) to take over temporarily.
The season's come to an end - Oh crap, we haven't signed a new manager, we need to find a new one in the next 2 weeks.
The best managers have all been snapped up - oh crap, let's just hire who is available now, even though we could've signed someone better 6 months ago.
Oh damn, the transfer window is open now, but we can't buy players because we don't know who the manager is and what players he wants.
Let's wait until he arrives.
Oh crap, the season starts in 2 weeks and we haven't signed any players....let's panic buy, now that the new manager is here.
I really hope I am wrong, but we are so badly run, it begs belief.
The issue we have now is that the team is hitting depths hitherto not seen for decades.
Last year was our poorest start to an EPL campaign.
That negative record has now been broken again and ETH probably thinks that he is doing a good job.
ETH's MUFC is getting progressively worse and only a moron would ignore this.
I personally, wouldn't fire ETH right now - I'd tell him that he will be replaced in the Summer and look for a replacement (in the next 3 months) to come into the team in late May. The new hire could start having input on transfers before he arrives in May. Transfer targets should be lined up well in advance. This will be a well-planned turnaround for the manager's role. No panicking. No knee-jerk reaction. Just a well-planned change of manager. Top clubs do this often.
What happened in the last few months is that INEOS believed that ETH was a better option than all the other options available in the summer. They were wrong (as I knew would be the case). Now what will happen is that they will panic and probably fire him soon. They'll have a caretaker manager and this season will be a write-off.
INEOS are just as incompetent as their predecessors. Some may think that I am being premature in my assessment, but I believe they will continue bumbling their way through the seasons, as they did a few months back.
Had we got a Middle Eastern owner, I guarantee that swift action would've been taken in the Summer and ETH would've been replaced. For some reason, those who demand results, don't need to wait and assess a poor-performing manager. Our board, for the last 10 years don't seem to demand results and tends to hang onto managers who are not good enough.
In any case, this season is now a write-off and we can only hope that INEOS take their time to hire the right person and plan correctly so that the new person arrives in late May. What I think will actually happen is that INEOS will not do any planning and will simply "react" to what is going on.
Team is in the bottom half of the table - fire the manager.
We have no manager? Ask Ruud (or someone else) to take over temporarily.
The season's come to an end - Oh crap, we haven't signed a new manager, we need to find a new one in the next 2 weeks.
The best managers have all been snapped up - oh crap, let's just hire who is available now, even though we could've signed someone better 6 months ago.
Oh damn, the transfer window is open now, but we can't buy players because we don't know who the manager is and what players he wants.
Let's wait until he arrives.
Oh crap, the season starts in 2 weeks and we haven't signed any players....let's panic buy, now that the new manager is here.
I really hope I am wrong, but we are so badly run, it begs belief.
I am lost for words.
Just speechless.
If INEOS don't sack ETH in the break then they are not serious or competent people. I don't think he should have gotten another season but you can justify that decision. But in year 3, he had to have a good start to prove there is progress. We see managers with far less time and money come in and implement better football. 3 win in 11 games is horrible. 5 goal scored in the league in 7 games is horrible. 8 points out of 21 is horrible.
Arsenal, City & Liverpool are already 10 + points ahead of us with a quarter of the season not even played yet. This is not progress. The rate we are going in, top 4 will be done by end of Oct.
But the gap to 4th is just 6 points, so the season can be saved. Continuing like this means top 4 and writing off another season. We have to get to UCL at all costs. If we don't its a step back in the rebuild.
Everyone knows ETH is a dead man walking. They either sack him now or sack him in December when we are 15 pts off 4th place
Arsenal, City & Liverpool are already 10 + points ahead of us with a quarter of the season not even played yet. This is not progress. The rate we are going in, top 4 will be done by end of Oct.
But the gap to 4th is just 6 points, so the season can be saved. Continuing like this means top 4 and writing off another season. We have to get to UCL at all costs. If we don't its a step back in the rebuild.
Everyone knows ETH is a dead man walking. They either sack him now or sack him in December when we are 15 pts off 4th place
Yep.
That sounds about right.
If this was my "company" and the top manager was running the company into the ground over the last 15 months, I'd have no hesitation in removing him. In fact, I'd have warned him after 9 months that if this continues, I'll have no choice but to remove you due to poor performance. This way, if he continues to take the company the wrong way, I'll call him into the office and ask him to fire himself. I wouldn't fire him "out of the blue" or like a surprise. I'd forwarn him.
Unfortunately, nobody seems to have told ETH that if he has us in the bottom half of the table, he will get canned. For this reason, ETH and his zealots probably think he is doing an acceptable job. It wouldn't surprise me if ETH asks the board for another £200M to take us from 14th place to 12th.
On the bright side, there is no need to watch back highlights since we don't score any goals. Get to spend that time much more constructively now.
So it's OK for Nice to change 6 managers in 4 years, yet we can't sack this fool.
Yeah if only Ole was allowed to sign expensive forwards instead of " the trio of has been of ighalo, cavani, and ronaldo. If only Ole was allowed to sign one (just feckin one) centre midfield in 3 years. The way we treated Moyes was even more shameful.
Both Moyes and Ole were hard done by the club, they had to deal with clueless clown of Woodward, both couldnt kick uneeded players out. Neither problems Ten Hag had to deal with. It was feckin miracle that Ole got us to finish 3rd, 2nd, and EL Final with the base midfield of McFred for 3 years.
Perspective is needed, where do you think Ten Hag would finish if he was given the same level backing of Ole and Moyes?
It won't be annoying at all. The key takeaway is his failure to make this team click during his time at OT. Ten Hag was never a huge proponent for possession football before united anyway, it just happened to be a feature of how Ajax suffocated lesser opponents, not a primary way of playing
That might actually be a good sign. If, as we've heard, the likes of Berrada and Ashworth are reluctant to pull the trigger, then Ratcliffe might be the one to apply pressure on them to 'fix it'. He, Brailsford and Blanc are the only common denominators between the two clubs, unless I'm mistaken. No way they can tolerate their flagship club languishing like this surely?
We live in hope.
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What a thoroughly depressing tweet, ah well least I can support my hometown team until INEOS see the error of their ways
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What a thoroughly depressing tweet, ah well least I can support my hometown team until INEOS see the error of their ways
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If this continues United will be in relegation battle.
Totally deserved
If this continues United will be in relegation battle.
Totally deserved
I kind of agree but we should just pay him his wages and make him stay away from the club and bring Ruud or Potter or Tuchel or someone in to coach the team. Or maybe Rene and Ruud.
Basically put him on gardening leave and hopefully we would improve a lot as soon as he's not hanging around like a bad smell.
I don't think the current squad is league winning quality but it's a damn sight better than they're showing under this prat.
I honestly think just getting back to basics with the stand in we would be lots better.
These people that don't want to get rid until they basically find Fergie 2.0 are just hoping for the impossible while the club falls into a relegation battle. And yes this is a possibility if he stays.
The main thing is to remove him from the squad now.
They don't want to pay him off, simple as that. Content to wallow in mediocrity for another season rather than stop the rot. Truth is, we don't know how bad this will get under Erik, he could get us in big trouble.
Today's result - with nearly all his marquee signings relegated to the bench or unavailable - gave them a tepid excuse to keep him on.
It's absolutely pathetic and even Ruud looks mystified at what's going on.
Today's result - with nearly all his marquee signings relegated to the bench or unavailable - gave them a tepid excuse to keep him on.
It's absolutely pathetic and even Ruud looks mystified at what's going on.
What sort of coach is Ruud?
Is his style of play a lot different from Erik's
I was being sarcastic
Wow, Ten Hag Fan Club hanging on to the tattered shreds of their lame arguments
* No one to replace him, no plan in place to replace him (how would anyone on the Caf know that?)
* Goals scored is a meaningless metric (7 games not large enough sample size)
* Our league position is meaningless (7 games in… too soon)
* Our Europa league form isn’t relevant
* We look better in *fill in the blank* (attack, defense, midfield, passing, effort, blah blah blah)
Most of us realized months ago, even a year ago, that we’d never win the league with Erik Ten Hag. He’s either going to be sacked this week or within a month.
* No one to replace him, no plan in place to replace him (how would anyone on the Caf know that?)
* Goals scored is a meaningless metric (7 games not large enough sample size)
* Our league position is meaningless (7 games in… too soon)
* Our Europa league form isn’t relevant
* We look better in *fill in the blank* (attack, defense, midfield, passing, effort, blah blah blah)
Most of us realized months ago, even a year ago, that we’d never win the league with Erik Ten Hag. He’s either going to be sacked this week or within a month.
Feel free to go and bluff it elsewhere Erik
Yeah they absolutely can
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