Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Even if you have to take Martial off... Weghorst is the worst possible option.

False nine or McTominay up front are less catastrophic to our chances of scoring than putting Weghorst on. Apparently everyone except ETH can see it.
 
I hate Weghorst playing for us but our forwards barely win any second balls.
We have such a poor mix of players.
 
Weghorst is absolutely useless upfront. I'd rather have Elanga before the lamp post. Have no idea what the gaffer is thinking, but if we bottle it today, some serious questions should be asked.
 
Weghorst wasnt that bad today, McTominay was. Useless player that is.
 
Weghorst wasnt that bad today, McTominay was. Useless player that is.
Weghorst could have scored an easy chance but passed it back. When you have a hammer for a cutting edge, it usually costs you
 
Top 4 relatively comfortably, cup win, 2nd cup final despite having to choose between 37 yr Ronaldo, Martial perma injured and Weghorst as our strikers... Underrated how well we've done despite the attackers we have.
 
Top 4 almost certainly achieved, and with virtually no attack (or a completely ineffectual attack bar Rashford). Better or equal points total than Ole and Jose in their first seasons (66 and 69 respectively) and two cup finals, with one already won

Doin' well ;)
 
We're LvGing top 4 but at least we got a cup.

The problem is City will probably win the treble if turn up in the same form of this past month.
 
Top 4 in the bag, FA cup final upcoming, league cup won. Let's check the ETH topic.

"WW is worse than Adolf Hitler."

Welcome to the CAF I guess?
 
Needs to wrap Rashford in cotton wool and give him all the time off he needs before the final.

Martial and Weghorst cannot be allowed to play a minute of football in the final.
 
The football is diabolical. I can’t imagine the new owners will accept this level of performance next season.
 
The football is diabolical. I can’t imagine the new owners will accept this level of performance next season.
I guess the hope is that football will be much better next season. At the very least we will sign a striker and a midfielder, which should make the football much better. If it isn't, then he will get fired in the next 12 months.
 
Top 4 in the bag, FA cup final upcoming, league cup won. Let's check the ETH topic.

"WW is worse than Adolf Hitler."

Welcome to the CAF I guess?

This.
Many United fans have forgotten that managers need time to build anything, everybody just wants instant success, but even the mighty pep guardiola with unlimited funds didn’t get that overnight. It takes time
 
The football is diabolical. I can’t imagine the new owners will accept this level of performance next season.
I reckon the new owners will install their own CEO and DOF to replace Arnold and Murtough. Depending on who the DOF is and their vision for the club, it could have an impact on ETH's future and job security, regardless of how well the results are going on the pitch.
 
Everything he's done in relation to Weghorst just makes me worry.

Am hoping it was merely a best there was available with no money and an emergency loan mid season.

Signing him back on would be amazing as even the "incredible workrate" we heard about at the start doesn't leap out.
 
Even if you have to take Martial off... Weghorst is the worst possible option.

False nine or McTominay up front are less catastrophic to our chances of scoring than putting Weghorst on. Apparently everyone except ETH can see it.

It seemed an odd time to take Martial off today.
He was in the middle of a few bits of intricate play that were promising. No wonder he looked baffled to be taken off pre 60mins!

Am just hoping it's a start him v Chelsea thing, knowing he can barely last 90, let alone 2 games back to back.
 
Tbf I think ww did better than martial today,
At least he keep pressing the defenders.
But really hope he won’t be a permanent next season.
 
It seemed an odd time to take Martial off today.
He was in the middle of a few bits of intricate play that were promising. No wonder he looked baffled to be taken off pre 60mins!
He brought Weghorst on pretty much as soon as Moore came on for Bournemouth. His worry was probably the set piece threat that Moore provides them.
 
Top 4 and a trophy in the bag with the FA cup final to come. Could be an amazing season. Think our football is still very average so still massive progress needed. The Routines he talks about are none evident in our play still which is odd. We must need better players for his methods to take hold so let’s see if that improves next season. If not we won’t kick on much.
 
How was mctominay bad when he was on for barely any time? Your bias is showing there.
Which bias would that be?

McTominay lacked vision to pass to Bruno who was entirely free.

Misplaced a pass in the box which would be a good opportunity.
 
He brought Weghorst on pretty much as soon as Moore came on for Bournemouth. His worry was probably the set piece threat that Moore provides them.
The problem with this though, is that Wan Weghorst typically is very bad in the air. He loses more duels than pretty much everyone.
 
This thread used to be good. Now it’s just moaning about every little thing. Really should be closed during matches. .
 
Am hoping it was merely a best there was available with no money and an emergency loan mid season.

Why wouldn't you think this? Since Martial has built up his match fitness Weghorst has mostly just subbed. There is just no one else to play striker. If the budget to buy another player was there we'd probably have seen the club buy Gakpo and play him up top.
 
Hmm... So either one of those options is correct
a) You are not very good in reading comprehension
b) You have no clue what an extreme position is
c) You are the king of the snowflakes who considers somebody as extreme who is firmly behind the manager but doesn't consider the managers work this season as fantastic but "only" good to very good.

Very extreme. Shouldn't I be on your ignore-list by now? I would be inconsolable, if my negativity caused you a headache.


No one denied that the schedule has been crazy. But City is pretty close, right now on 55 games in comparison to our 58. Real Madrid is also on 56. The differences in the Prem are pretty hefty though, Arsenal currently is on 47, Brighton even on 42 while Liverpool sits on 50. But i guess thats the cost of going for a lot of competitions. Would have been even more important to try to rotate a little more if possible. The successful teams will always play a lot more.


Largely the same squad plus the ever awaited DM, the ever awaited RW and a pretty good CB plus Eriksen. One as an interim manager coming off a terrible start of the season with a team on the low. But yeah - everything is fine as long as we can assure ourselves that everybody who dares to doubt is a weirdo :) Ralf really is living rent free in a few fans heads.
Last time I checked Ralf was on the phone with his mate in Russia, trying to figure out how to play out of a high press. He was a joke of a manager, always has been really.

Ten Hag in one single season with United already done more than Ralf Rangnick has done in his entire career. I actually do think Ten Hag has been very good, not fantastic, but he’s won a trophy, is on course for top 4, gotten control of the dressing room, revitalized Dalot, AWB, and Rashford, stood up to Ronaldo and unearthed Garnacho. We all would have taken this as a good transition season at the beginning of the campaign.
 
He brought Weghorst on pretty much as soon as Moore came on for Bournemouth. His worry was probably the set piece threat that Moore provides them.

The funny thing is that any Burnley fan will tell you Weigo isn't actually that good in the air for his height.

But while Martinez has been superb and everyone will tell you the top flight isn't as long ball as in the past, the lack of aerial power is definitely something we need to think through.

Varane and Casemiro are strong, Shaw fairly decent, but after that it drops a little. Especially if Maguire and McTom are on the bench as usual.
Certainly explains why we're so poor at scoring for set pieces.
 
Last time I checked Ralf was on the phone with his mate in Russia, trying to figure out how to play out of a high press. He was a joke of a manager, always has been really.

Ten Hag in one single season with United already done more than Ralf Rangnick has done in his entire career. I actually do think Ten Hag has been very good, not fantastic, but he’s won a trophy, is on course for top 4, gotten control of the dressing room, revitalized Dalot, AWB, and Rashford, stood up to Ronaldo and unearthed Garnacho. We all would have taken this as a good transition season at the beginning of the campaign.

The only good thing the Rangnick period has going for it, is it allowed us to bring Ten Hag in. Rather than knee jerk Conte in, which many on here wanted.
 
Top 4 relatively comfortably, cup win, 2nd cup final despite having to choose between 37 yr Ronaldo, Martial perma injured and Weghorst as our strikers... Underrated how well we've done despite the attackers we have.
Not underrated around here.

Boring game with a good result. Piece of individual brilliance ^^ I thought the team did relatively well today without creating much but also not giving away too many chances.

Edit: I liked that ETH showed some pragmatism by bringing on McFred to kill the game off.
 
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The problem with this though, is that Wan Weghorst typically is very bad in the air. He loses more duels than pretty much everyone.
Its also pretty regressive to bring on a player who offers nothing in open 0lay to defend set pieces against Bournemouth with 30 mins left. If we could keep the ba or score again we would be less likely to need to defend set pieces
 
The problem with this though, is that Wan Weghorst typically is very bad in the air. He loses more duels than pretty much everyone.
Yup, there's also the fact that if we concede an equalizer while he's on the pitch, we've pretty much given up all hope of scoring another.
 
Ffs our "star" striker threw his toys out of the pram mid season and Ten Hag took a punt on one of the only strikers he had knowledge on who was available in January because funds are tight, and our scouting team have proven to be woefully unproductive so they probably didn't have anyone who would fit Ten Hag's style lined up of their own. It shouldn't be a manager's job, let alone in their first season outside of their home nation, to have to pick their squad but that's where we are right now. Blaming him for the poor and archaic structure at the club is getting really annoying.

Martial breaks if played too much, someone has to come on. For all of WW's flaws at least there isn't the risk that he'll panic like a youth player getting his debut in the men's first team, like some folk seem to be advocating. The whole "play the youth" thing barely pans out, and who is going to risk their first season, and miss out on CL, to do it?

Was WW the wrong choice in January? Definitely, but it's practically Ten Hag's only option other than Martial right now. He has no choice but to play him.

Anyway, back to discussing literally anything other than WW...
 
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People don't seriously think that he wants to keep Weghorst, right? Right..? Erik made some mistakes and stubborn decisions throughout the season, but he's not THAT stupid. Hopefully Kane in, preferrably a 2nd striker as well, but Martial as a sub isn't the end of the world. Feels like he usually performs better coming off the bench anyway.
 
Boy does he have a tough job in the summer.

For one purple patch with everyone fit we looked capable of beating everyone, at home at least.
Downturns in form for Rashy and Casemiro, though he looks back to it now, and Martinez and Eriksen injuries show us how fragile things are below the surface.
Both high priced wingers don't look like they can contribute much assist or goal wise, but maybe not having a proper striker doesn't help that.

Going to need absolutely masterful recruitment.
 
People don't seriously think that he wants to keep Weghorst, right? Right..? Erik made some mistakes and stubborn decisions throughout the season, but he's not THAT stupid. Hopefully Kane in, preferrably a 2nd striker as well, but Martial as a sub isn't the end of the world. Feels like he usually performs better coming off the bench anyway.
People said the same thing about the DDG renewal despite all signs pointing to the contrary. It appears to me that ETH genuinely rates Weghorst as an option, and I fully expect him to push for a permanent transfer this summer.
 
People don't seriously think that he wants to keep Weghorst, right? Right..? Erik made some mistakes and stubborn decisions throughout the season, but he's not THAT stupid. Hopefully Kane in, preferrably a 2nd striker as well, but Martial as a sub isn't the end of the world. Feels like he usually performs better coming off the bench anyway.

Martial certainly isn't going anywhere on that 250k a week deal.
So he'll be striker 2.

Just really have to make sure we make the right call on main striker, and can get him!
 
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