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Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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this is so far from the truth!
he has already shown how ruthless he is with his treatment of Ronaldo, Maguire, Scott already. This will also be his first rebuild summer - so very interesting to see what he does here.
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Such a different situation in my opinion. One is a leader and one of the last players in the dressing room who's been through it all at United. The other is a loanee from Turkey/Burnley whatever who had 0 contributions all season. Even today DDG saved our arses. He's still a good goalkeeper despite his flaws. And yes, I rant on him too, more than I would like. What it tells me is a ST coming in is a definite yes, while we might not have the funds to replace DDG and ETH wants to adress other needs first.
I don't mind Martial as a backup if he can figure out how to run again like he was last summer. Otherwise he's nothing more than a body in this current crocked state
Unpopular opinion, but still not 100% convinced Ten Hag is the right man for the job. Apart from the first 25 mins today I thought we were poor today and I think we should be playing better with the players we have. I'm not saying we should be challenging for the title or anything but we should be comfortably cruising in third but our away form this season has been shocking and I think Ten Hag has played a big part in this with the way he sets up the team especially in the big away games. I really want him to succeed here and I hope he's able to fix this for next season, we shall see.
WW played well last week and this week.
We have to improve so much next season, the question is whether a new striker, and potentially new CM/GK/RB and a fit Martinez will get us there. That and the team getting more acquainted with his philosophy, tactics, and ideas will be the biggest changes. And less fixture congestion.
Currently, I think City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, Brighton are all capable of playing much better stuff than we are.
It will be interesting to see how many steps we will take in the direction of these teams that are able to control matches, create tons of chances, press high and finish.
Exciting football is what I enjoyed mostly during EtH's tenure at Ajax, hopefully we will see its firstfruits after the summer.
Currently, I think City, Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, Brighton are all capable of playing much better stuff than we are.
It will be interesting to see how many steps we will take in the direction of these teams that are able to control matches, create tons of chances, press high and finish.
Exciting football is what I enjoyed mostly during EtH's tenure at Ajax, hopefully we will see its firstfruits after the summer.
I feel like I hear something along these lines every year
Deserves tremendous credit if he gets top four with our shower of shite attack.
The bolded parts only cement some of my assumptions. RR is still living in some peoples heads and you seemingly have a few blind spots in regards to football.
If you don't like the guy, just go for it. Not going to defend him. But some of those statements are pretty weird. RRs way of playing has inspired a few of todays best managers. He also, not per se as a manager of course, has brought Hoffenheim and RB Leipzig to Germanys first division out of nowhere, by having a very good eye for talent plus bein able to improve players. He isn't the greatest coach for sure and it didn't work out for him at United but to say he is useless and Ten Hag has achieved more already is just hyperbole. Lets hope that ETH has a better career than RR and he has it with us.
(You aren't helping ETH with stuff like this...Better to just leave him out. Maybe somebody can create a "Lets shat on RR" thread. Feels like a few posters on here still are traumatized. For whatever reasons)
If we sign Weghorst I expect it will be along with two other strikers, who can actually score.
The problem is that you can't fix all the problems in one window.
To get a better keeper than De Gea you're probably looking at 40-50m worth.
With a starter striker guaranteed to be 70-100m, there won't be oodles of wad to splash around, when De Gea will do fine for a couple of seasons.
The problem is he's somehow been the "best striker here when fit" for half of the time since he's been here. 1 year Ibra, 1 year Lukaku, 1 year Cavani, 1 year Ronaldo. Every other year went back to Martial being the most useful option despite being meh.
Ah yes, the "influenced" a way of legendary managers thing again.
Sounded brilliant when we heard this.
Turned out that this magical influence couldn't be applied in 2021/2
Too many blind people not understanding the work EtH and his staff have put into this squad in terms of laying down the rules, the principles of play, managing the players, having to learn how this group responds to adversity, how they respond to winning, learning who reacts to what and how to build them up, all while trying to get enough results for a CL spot during a season that had a mid-season World Cup.
And this team has way too many leftovers of players from previous managers who don't have the required abilities to come close to challenge for top 2, let alone the league.
EtH has done a great job this season and it was never going to be a straight easy path. With all that has happened this season, it's been a wild ride and we have a manager who isn't afraid and who is making strong and brave decisions.
And this team has way too many leftovers of players from previous managers who don't have the required abilities to come close to challenge for top 2, let alone the league.
EtH has done a great job this season and it was never going to be a straight easy path. With all that has happened this season, it's been a wild ride and we have a manager who isn't afraid and who is making strong and brave decisions.
He looks a bit more solid build wise than before, but maybe has lost his burst of speed.
Not sure if he's bulked on weights a bit too protect other injuries or what's happened.
Was Antony the wrong purchase for the right wing? Was money so tight in Jan a result of the overpay? I mean I’m playing devils advocate here as I’m really chuffed with the season but choosing players to bring in is damn hard for us it seems. Brighton seem to be better with limited funds and no CL to offer so I’m not all that focussed on top 4 being the be all for us. We need to be much better at scouting…and no reliant on the players the manager is familiar with in the Dutch league. I think that’s clear.
Yep. We can play out way out of teams who press us. Our defense don't panic all of the time. We are creative in the final third, even against teams that just park the bus. We don't get screwed on the counter as much.
There's huge improvements in our play. Our biggest problem is we don't score enough goals. There's nothing to suggest that he can't fix that either.
Oh, for sure. In modern football it shouldn't be the manager who has to make these choices because the people above him don't have a clear plan. His primary job is to improve the players he has and win games, and I think he's doing that.
Still room for improvement but if we really look back at how bad we had become it's fair to say he's already done a lot of good work. I just wish that weren't such a shit show off the pitch and in the board room.
Okay there sparky. RR gets credit for stuff that Michels and Saachi were doing well before him. I suppose you could plant your flag on RR’s hill, just a bizarre place to do it. He was shite when he was here. Ole had a better record than Ralf with the same squad that season, and we all wanted Ole gone. Part of the evaluation of ETH is looking at the record of the preceding managers. Ralf’s taking a few arrows, and who cares? I guess you represent the 1% of UTD fans who think RR got a raw deal. So be it. Incredibly happy to have that clown out of my club and ETH in charge.
Statements like this makes no sense.
Discussion on manager, ex-manager was brought in for some comparison/discussion, some how that means "manager is living in people heads".
Ah the next one with a RR residency
On a serious note, I agree, he couldn't apply it in his time with us. But his time only lasted around half a year, we choose to not bring in anybody new in the winter and the players clearly didn't buy into him because he was only an interim. So results-wise, you are right, he didn't really achieve anything. But many who were happy when he came were happy mostly because he a) at least showed he is capable of doing some tactical stuff (unlike the manager before) and b) it seemed obvious that his brain would be picked in terms of recruitment. All in all it has been a shitshow and I think, he acted a bit weird as well but it was mostly the club who depicted itself in a shit light.well clearly this needs to be addressed in the summer....i think both with adding a CF but i think something needs to be done in the midfield as well. Bruno isn't creative as he gives the ball away too often by overplaying
Mate I didn't bring him up initially and look at the vile it creates with some. I only note the double standards a few posters seem to have when evaluating the managers.
Read aloud what you just said and then look at this...
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/big_chance_created
https://www.fotmob.com/leagues/47/stats/season/17664/players/total_att_assist
The squad will improve as the quality of players will improve, which includes their quality of decision making. That's not all down to EtH, but your assessment of Bruno is hilarious.
I'm sure he already has, mate.
not just my assessment mate....stats don't always tell the whole story
What a great season. I love him. He is far from perfect but not sure what more people were hoping for from his first season. Bizarre
It’s not though. The attack is diabolical. We’d have won that 4-0 with an attack that was firing / good. The caf loves to moan about everything.
After the hopeless 21/22 he’s got us top4, released the virus and won our first trophy in 6, and people here are still in depression.
Yeah all round 8 out of 10 for me this season regardless of the FA cup final. I think we are Miles off city and I don’t think we’ll breach it anytime soon. Their recruitment kills ours and has done for years and I don’t think that will change much either. Unless we too strike it rich coupled with a complete 360 on recruitment competence. Coaching wise I’m not sure how much we are improved under him. I see it and then I don’t but early days. Maybe it’s the player quality I’d still like to see better plays from us it’s not month 3 or 4.
Ah, so I was right about you being a RR lover - everything falls into place now. German, joined the forum during Ralf's brief tenure, and relentlessly negative about ETH under the guise of being a 'balanced' United fan. Now I understand why United fans praising the current manager triggers you.
Job done. Just get over the line these last games and let's hope for the best in the final. Thanks Aston Villa.
8/10 sounds fair to me as well. Maybe a 7.5/10 if I'm feeling picky. Having said that; I'm also a hopeless romantic who originally thought Moyes might just need more time to stop being shit.
One point away from a first season in a decade for Man United to win trophy and finish top 4 in the league which will equal a good first season for Ten Hag.
Ten Hag is the best manager we’ve had since Sir Alex.
His first season in England and he will have got to two cup finals, won at least one cup and qualified for the Champions League.
And he’s done all of this without moaning about referees, weather and a busy schedule. He’s also handled the Ronaldo situation professionally and without fuss.
ETH is a world class manager and if the new owners support him, we have one of the best in the dugout.
His first season in England and he will have got to two cup finals, won at least one cup and qualified for the Champions League.
And he’s done all of this without moaning about referees, weather and a busy schedule. He’s also handled the Ronaldo situation professionally and without fuss.
ETH is a world class manager and if the new owners support him, we have one of the best in the dugout.
Passing is diabolical let’s be fair here. Brighton and Brentford can string together better routines than us. I’d love to see stats on that like how many times we keep the ball for 6 passes or more compared to these teams. I think we’d be well behind them both.
City will be pretty much unstoppable until Pep leaves (probably when they get done for all their financial irregularities), then it could all easily fall apart. In the meantime there is no reason why we can't get close to them in the league and beat them in one-off games (starting in a couple of weeks time hopefully).
Brighton have been playing a similar style for years and are a well run club. We are owned the glazers and have been mismanaged for years. Let’s not go mental and expect last years team to magically become amazing.
Bruno can and does lose possession and he can be very untidy with the ball, but it's par for the course especially when he's the only player who has a high level of chance creation and nobody else is like him in creative ability across the front line.
He's the captain and EtH had praised his play many times even as the team struggles to score. His play as evolved under EtH and while most good chances come through him, he's much more the overall orchestrater than what we saw under Ole.
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