Could have tried a youth player, played Pellestri from the left, Rash up front., or anything else wouldnt have been any worse than wegworst. Our Worst striker we ever had.
Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24
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Up there with 10/11 and keeping us in top 4
Just on Van der Sar: he's Ajax's CEO and has never been very involved in the technical side of things. Also, he's currently under heavy criticism because of Ajax's heavily disappointing season and might have to resign over the summer. I think United fans might have to forget about him as someone that could help out their club.
What he achieved while dealing with the drama and footballing effects of the Ronaldo saga is very impressive. But his management can only take us so far as we all know. Focus now is on improving the squad.
I dunno. A new start at United with a manager he knows might be just what he needs.
He's made quite a few mistakes thus far and I don't yet trust him to win the title against Pep. Not sure if he can get to that elite level.
That being said, if his brand of football is what we want to build on going forward, it would make sense to keep him for the foreseeable future so that we can get a proper imprint on the club, from the staff downwards. Then we can sack him
All jokes aside, in the past we probably could've taken the easy way out and bought our way to a few trophies with better decision making, and I was all for quick sackings back then. But right now, it's most likely going to take a couple building seasons in order to get all aspects of the club aligned to the brand we're aiming for.
That being said, if his brand of football is what we want to build on going forward, it would make sense to keep him for the foreseeable future so that we can get a proper imprint on the club, from the staff downwards. Then we can sack him
All jokes aside, in the past we probably could've taken the easy way out and bought our way to a few trophies with better decision making, and I was all for quick sackings back then. But right now, it's most likely going to take a couple building seasons in order to get all aspects of the club aligned to the brand we're aiming for.
my only qualms are that he went a bit too heavy with a thin squad on selections early on considering how many competitions we have been in, and besides garnacho feel like youngsters couldve been used more considering.
I mean, I could understand it if Pellistri came on against Betis and was shit. But you bring a guy on, he does well, and you don't play him again?! Unless Erik saw something from him in that cameo that he didn't like unbeknownst to the rest of us!
He's let himeself down with Weghorst, if he wasn't Dutch he wouldn't even know his name. But on the flip side he's sorted out Ronaldo and Maguire very quickly.
Overall just as long as he doesn't mess up top 4 then he's been great given where we were this time last year.
Overall just as long as he doesn't mess up top 4 then he's been great given where we were this time last year.
Very happy with EtH. Top four finish would be beyond my expectations at start of season - albeit only in prospect because Chelsea and Liverpool and Spurs all feked it.
I think he’s struggling for fitness but then if he was on the bench he should have been able to play 30 mins so I agree with you on that one.
The people defending the Weghorst arrival and subsequent use of him have honestly lost their minds.
He would get hounded out at Real or Barcelona. We need to have higher standards ffs.
He would get hounded out at Real or Barcelona. We need to have higher standards ffs.
I don't think Ten Hag craves possession like Pep does, but he does value it.
I do think we should be playing better and Ten Hag shouldn't have compromised as much this season if he truly wants to implement a positional play for the squad.
He was better than nothing. Blame the Glazers.
You make good points, but at our absolute low this season, we also got smashed 7-0 by Liverpool and got absolutely dominated by Newcastle(with the metrics suggesting it could have been worse than the Liverpool game).
That's entirely the point though.
He wasn't better than nothing. Nothing is literally better.
Weghorst offers nothing. Absolutely nothing to the squad.
There were ways to be flexible with the attacking options at our disposal instead of rushing to get a player who is nowhere near good enough.
No, it's just trusting whom he knows already. You need people who will listen to you, stand with you no matter what happens in the games.
Imagine if he had one more Ronaldo in the dressing room? Ylhe already proved he is ruthless and you will see that in second season.
That's hyperbole, but okay. Weghorst literally started 10 consecutive matches after he was available to play because United literally had no other CF choice. Using Marcus from the off at CF is not ideal even if he's done a few times this season.
Also, he's converted his spot kick in the shootout win over Brighton in the semifinal. He's been a necessary squad signing but has had overall poor to decent at best performances at a time where United needed some bodies.
It's not hyperbole.
What does he offer to the squad was sorely missed? Go on.
As for the bold: Rashford is miles and miles better as a CF option than Weghorst is. It is a far better option.
I would say his passing was ok, his hold up play was competent and his high pressing was very effective for 90 minutes. That's important. Obviously he couldn't score in a brothel or head a balloon on a still day. I wouldn't keep him. But better than Elanga.
His passing isn't okay. He's got sub 75% passing accuracy for a player who never attempts progressive passes. He can't hold the ball up and he's pitiful in the air.
You can stick Elanga up top and he'd probably press even better, because of his quicker pace.
He offers nothing.
So you're saying he shouldn't have brought someone in simply because he knows them but instead loan in a striker from the Championship which he had little to knowledge of being new to England, which he would have had to lean on the recruitment department but he shouldn't use our recruitment department?
But i'm sure Middlesbrough or Coventry City who were fighting to get promotion would have gladly loaned us Chuba Akpom or Viktor Gyökeres. Sure.
didn’t say any of that tbf but whatever….
He was much much better because Weghorst is barely even a footballer. Ighalo didn’t play much minutes in the prem but he did well for us int he cups. He’s already smashed Weghorst in goals per minute ratio.
In my opinion he has been decent many games, pressing, laying off balls, getting a few assists. His scoring form is awful though, probably not what Ten Hag expected. He has helped out the team in absence of Martial though.
I'm not trying to defend Weghorst and say he's been successful, but when United literally had no other viable option to serve as a functioning CF, he's done something to play and be a body when they needed someone.
1 assist in 13 league matches. 1 goal in 6 Europa matches. 1 goal in the League Cup. 1 penalty converted in the shootout against Brighton in the FA Cup.
His end product in front of goal has been horrible, yes. But he's offered a lot off the ball and has been extremely selfless in a time United had no nobody.
That's great that Marcus is better than Weghorst at any position on the pitch, but the fact Marcus isn't in his optimal left forward position hurts him and the team. With Weghorst, he was an able body to allow Marcus to be on his optimal position. Weghorst's flexibilty also allowed EtH to play him in a non-traditional 10 position and use other players for other purposes, which had a positive impact on the tactics and getting results.
Yeah all 5 of those goals against who?
The feckin revisionism around here when someone wants to put a player down is hilarious. Ighalo was shite, Weghorst is shite. Like what's the point of this argument
Hes been awful as a striker. A strikers main job is to score. Hes failed that massively
I don't know the stats, but I can't imagine he's had a positive impact on us winning points whenever he starts or comes on. It feels as though we tend to lose games recently whenever he gets thrown on.
And ultimately a CF being brought on who's delivered a whooping 1 goal in the PL is an extremely poor showing. I'm genuinely at the point with him where I'd rather we play Elanga upfront, or even Maguire's slabhead, at least he'll win headers or perhaps get at the end of crosses.
I don't want to see Weghorst anywhere near the squad but up to the League Cup final he wasn't a complete waste of space. And we definitely didn't have more money for anyone else in January.
Afterwards though, he's been a huge hindrance to our play and we would have been much better off playing with no striker (until Martial gets fit).
I really rated EtH's ability to bring on subs and change the game until the League Cup but afterwards it's been downhill in that aspect as well.
Seems like not just the players but the manager also dropped the ball after that win at Wembley
We could have spent in January had we actually bought Antony earlier or you know found a RW who didn't break the budget
Yeah wish we had seen more of Pellistri and Iqbal
That's beautiful mental gymnastics in order to justify playing Weghorst regularly. A half fit Rashford is better at leading the line than Weghorst.
"He's been a necessary squad signing ", you cannot seriously believe this
True, but I would be far more worried if the team went into slump after such results. However, he managed to get the response every time. City 6-3 trashing was followed by winning against Everton away/Spurs home. After losing 7-0 against Liverpool the team responded by beating Betis 4-1 and winning 3 out of 4 games. Similiar case after Newcastle or even Seville when we managed to get into FA final despite the team obviously running on fumes as the season is coming to an end.
Meaning, the trashing and bad games were concerning, but he managed to get a response every single time. So, despite us obviously struggling as the season progressed, we never went into prolonged period of awful results/form (as opposed to mentioned period of good form) and both him and the team kept their head above the water when such results could have easily derail the season. And almost certainly would in the past.
Dunno , you seem to have created one. For some reason you’ve chosen to descend this into a debate about Ighalo as if that was the crux of my point.Yeah all 5 of those goals against who?
The feckin revisionism around here when someone wants to put a player down is hilarious. Ighalo was shite, Weghorst is shite. Like what's the point of this argument
This is key, you can almost guarantee that there will be a response of sorts on Sunday. Under previous regimes results such as the Liverpool or Sevilla one would have resulted in a sustained rut that would have surely derailed the season.
That's beautiful mental gymnastics in order to justify playing Weghorst regularly. A half fit Rashford is better at leading the line than Weghorst.
"He's been a necessary squad signing ", you cannot seriously believe this
He clearly isn't a regular. He's barely featured since Martial came back. The fact that people are so wound up over a 10 minute cameo is absurd. As for the arguments surrounding Elanga or Pellistri - both came on against Sevilla and, the former in particular, were absolutely horrendous. As for signing someone else in Jan, we had 3 million to spend, who on earth were we going to sign for that? We went for a cheap championship level striker and thats what we got. Theres absolutely no way we were getting more than what we got with the resources we had. Genuinely think most of you are deliberately being obtuse by arguing we could find a half decent football player with 3 million pounds.
He will get his cult moment! Keep the faith!
No, most of us are arguing Weghorst shouldn't have been signed if it was somehow Weghorst or nothing(which btw is complete nonsense).
Which is revisionism at its finest as most were quite excited to see what impact he could have after his good WC performances.
Anytime Wout's being discussed a few people bring up Ighalo and elevate his performances well above what they were and I'm getting a bit bored of reading it.
It also undermines the rest of what is being said, for me.
He was crap, but I’d take Ighalo 10/10 over Wout.
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