Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

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Rojofiam said:
He IS a possession manager. How is such an obvious thing not clear to everyone I'll never know.



No we don't. Keeper and new CM needed. Then we'll control games and play similar to City and Arsenal.
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He’s not. He keeps things tight and plays through the wings. He’s press high and quick transitions, not possession
 
United492 said:
It worked for 95% of the first half to be fair when we were the better team.
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First half it was a neck and neck game but they scored so we fell behind already.

Second half we completely capitulated but still overall we only conceded 2.91 xG.

Yes, we deserved to lose today but it's literally proven by the numbers that 7-0 doesn't at all reflect the true picture...unless they expect ETH to enter the pitch and stop the goals by himself.

These fecking idiotic reactions are so embarrassing, even more so if you refresh your memory and remember that both Pep and Klopp have gotten their asses beat in similar fashion both in the PL and other competitions too in their careers.
 
LordSpud said:
Really? Boehly got rid of CL winning Tuchel for Graham Potter.

We've had 3 such results this season. I guarantee Qatari owners will be watching that and thinking they will want their own man in. Look at PSG these feckers are fickle.
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ETH: wins most games out of every club in all top leagues with a team that was one of the worst it's been in almost 30 years, even winning trophies in the process.

Qatari owners: yes but you also lost to Brighton once so we're going to sack you.

Really man. You do a lot of "guaranteeing" today based off of one very emotional night.
 
Jordan_mufc said:
Anyone that thinks that's on the manager needs their heads checked.

We were unlucky to be 1-0 down at half time. Should've scored a few ourselves.

Every single one of those players had a mare and bottled it. We could've had Fergie and Busby on the sidelines and the same thing would have happened. It wasn't a systemic problem. The players lost their heads
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Exactly this. We probably should have been up at the break. Then after half time the players absolutely lost it all over the pitch. One thing I will say is that it was odd that we seemed to be still trying to be so attacking at 4 down. We should have shut up shop at that point and avoided it getting any worse.
 
Rojofiam said:
First half it was a neck and neck game but they scored so we fell behind already.

Second half we completely capitulated but still overall we only conceded 2.91 xG.

Yes, we deserved to lose today but it's literally proven by the numbers that 7-0 doesn't at all reflect the true picture...unless they expect ETH to enter the pitch and stop the goals by himself.

These fecking idiotic reactions are so embarrassing, even more so if you refresh your memory and remember that both Pep and Klopp have gotten their asses beat in similar fashion both in the PL and other competitions too in their careers.
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Well said
 
We clearly had no plan for falling behind today. Very surprised
 
If people think we were going to go from our worst ever PL season to winning a cup treble or something, then they’re setting themselves up for disappointment. It’s a slow and step by step process. We have made strides this season and now after this appalling result need to focus and make sure we get the job done the next few weeks and months
 
bosnian_red said:
Funnily enough before the season my best case for this season was comfortable top 4, a cup, system implementation with the odd garbage game here and there. Like when Pep lost 4-0 to Everton in his first season and Rooney scored a hat trick.

We play a high risk style of football now. Disasters shouldn't happen, but they can.
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Yep. Both Liverpool and City have had a few of these results over the years haven't they (although admittedly less bad than 7-0)?
 
DutchSerb said:
ETH: wins most games out of every club in all top leagues with a team that was one of the worst it's been in almost 30 years, even winning trophies in the process.

Qatari owners: yes but you also lost to Brighton once so we're going to sack you.

Really man. You do a lot of "guaranteeing" today based off of one very emotional night.
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ETH is a great manager but there will be ups and downs along the process. There is nothing to suggest the Qataris would be completely hands off with their ownership and let the club run itself. You don't pay upwards of 5bn for a toy just to sit back and watch.
 
The most worrying thing for me is that the four worst players on the pitch by some distance - Dalot, Shaw, Bruno and Antony - are also 4 of the 5 outfield who finished the game.

When you're getting ripped apart at Anfield it should be obvious that Garnacho, McTominay and Malacia are not going to be of any use and will only help Liverpool score more. Especially when you're putting them on alongside Bruno and Shaw when they have completely checked out.

When a game is going in a horrible direction why the feck did he keep all the worst culprits on, take off all the ones who generally give a shit, and leave the likes of AWB and Maguire on the bench? Doesn't matter how poor Maguire is generally, at least he can win some headers and make some clearances. All in all everything about that second half was the worst I've ever seen. And that includes the worst game management I've ever seen.
 
I am pretty sure he will be totally embarrassed by that display in the second half. No resilience, ridiculous individual errors, not getting back into position, it was really basic stuff and some clinical finishing by them.

Let's see what he's made of. We've dealt with setbacks at the start of the season so there is no reason we can't reset. But bloody hell, it's some response required. That's not just any result, it is completely appalling to lose like that. You can lose at Anfield but not like that.
 
SER19 said:
We clearly had no plan for falling behind today. Very surprised
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I think some got caught up in underestimating Liverpool, and overestimating where we are as a team.
So I got Ten Hag's thinking completely, apart from switching Weigy, Rashyford and Bruno's starting positions.

Without Rashy's threat on the left Trent had an easy game, and Rashford basically had very little effect up front isolated.

Slowing the game down and keeping their momentum to a minimum worked really well, but 1 mis positioning from Fred and it was over.

To give a goal up so quickly in the 2nd half was criminal though.
 
cyberman said:
He’s not. He keeps things tight and plays through the wings. He’s press high and quick transitions, not possession
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Go and watch our first 2 games of the season again...or go and see how he got Ajax to play when they were at their very best in 2019 and then 2022.

Ten Hag tried to stick to his philosophy vs Brighton and Brentford, but the results and overall performances showed that he doesn't yet have the players available to do that. After those first 2 opening games, he changed things up...when we sign a technical GK and a new #8 for next season and see how we play then, you can come back to these posts of your claiming that he doesn't have a possession-based philosophy.

Also, pressing high and quick transitions are both features of most elite teams these days, even City and Arsenal, who are both possession-based as well.
 
hobbers said:
The most worrying thing for me is that the four worst players on the pitch by some distance - Dalot, Shaw, Bruno and Antony - are also 4 of the 5 outfield who finished the game.

When you're getting ripped apart at Anfield it should be obvious that Garnacho, McTominay and Malacia are not going to be of any use and will only help Liverpool score more. Especially when you're putting them on alongside Bruno and Shaw when they have completely checked out.

When a game is going in a horrible direction why the feck did he keep all the worst culprits on, take off all the ones who generally give a shit, and leave the likes of AWB and Maguire on the bench? Doesn't matter how poor Maguire is generally, at least he can win some headers and make some clearances. All in all everything about that second half was the worst I've ever seen. And that includes the worst game management I've ever seen.
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Ten Hag generally does really well for subs, but today was almost like a rest certain players for games coming up job. Accepting it was done and dusted.
 
Rojofiam said:
First half it was a neck and neck game but they scored so we fell behind already.

Second half we completely capitulated but still overall we only conceded 2.91 xG.

Yes, we deserved to lose today but it's literally proven by the numbers that 7-0 doesn't at all reflect the true picture...unless they expect ETH to enter the pitch and stop the goals by himself.

These fecking idiotic reactions are so embarrassing, even more so if you refresh your memory and remember that both Pep and Klopp have gotten their asses beat in similar fashion both in the PL and other competitions too in their careers.
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Agree wholeheartedly
 
JustAGuest said:
We are still in the cups and comfortably in 3rd place. My expectations were lower given the mess he took over.
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So if we win another cup or 2 then that becomes a great season. Right now its just the Carabou Cup and we sit comfortably in a champions league spot. Thats by no means a great season. We still have to achieve those things, jobs not done yet.
 
Sandikan said:
I think some got caught up in underestimating Liverpool, and overestimating where we are as a team.
So I got Ten Hag's thinking completely, apart from switching Weigy, Rashyford and Bruno's starting positions.

Without Rashy's threat on the left Trent had an easy game, and Rashford basically had very little effect up front isolated.

Slowing the game down and keeping their momentum to a minimum worked really well, but 1 mis positioning from Fred and it was over.

To give a goal up so quickly in the 2nd half was criminal though.
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I don't know how managers can't see that rashford is clearly at his best on left. Play him there and the opposing full back has a totally different game
 
Sandikan said:
Ten Hag generally does really well for subs, but today was almost like a rest certain players for games coming up job. Accepting it was done and dusted.
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This would make sense but then if Bruno starts all of our other games this month it will undermine that idea.

Dalot staying on for 90 minutes and AWB and Maguire sitting on the bench as 3-0 became 7-0... I just cant understand that. There's no excusing it. It's shocking game management.

Wout and Martinez taken off for a rest sure, but replaced by Garnacho and Malacia....
 
It's hard to complain when we're getting the wins, as we have been doing. But there's things that have been bugging me for a while now that still feel like a continuation if previous years (perhaps intentional?).

I'm talking about us not looking to impose ourselves, allowing the opposition the ball and hitting with balls over the top. Our inability to keep the ball and take the heat out of games like today, we had no answer.

Then there's new things like Weghorst at no.10 and Bruno RW. Be honest, if you got told that before the season started wed be doing that, you'd have lost your shit. In near enough every game, we've only got into games when we've changed away from this system. So why persist? Because he wants to make Weghorst look a good signing and he's realised he's only good as a defensive no.10? Bruno at RW is worse than Mata, for me, and look how derided that was. Hell, Fellaini was much better than Weghorst and nobody has the appetite for that. How many hundreds of millions have we spent since then and here we are.

For me, it's time to take the brakes off and see us playing as a football team set up to dominate through possession and quality. Hopefully Sancho is more involved going forward as he looks better as a no 10 than Weghorst. Bruno needs time on the bench after today.
 
Stack said:
So if we win another cup or 2 then that becomes a great season. Right now its just the Carabou Cup and we sit comfortably in a champions league spot. Thats by no means a great season. We still have to achieve those things, jobs not done yet.
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Given the position we were in top 4 and a cup is an excellent season.
 
TrueRed79 said:
Nonsense. Arsenal pick from around 13/14 players. Don't see them getting disgraced like we have. It's the players attitude. All wrong today. Utterly unacceptable.
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Arsenal aren't in the league cup and weren't in the Europa League round we just played. So that's two extra Thursdays and a Sunday they didn't play. Not even remotely similar. You play that much with the same XI playing every 3 days, it'll catch up to you. It's something managers have known for decades, or the good ones anyway. There's managers like Conte who will play the same first XI every day if they had to.
 
Rojofiam said:
First half it was a neck and neck game but they scored so we fell behind already.

Second half we completely capitulated but still overall we only conceded 2.91 xG.

Yes, we deserved to lose today but it's literally proven by the numbers that 7-0 doesn't at all reflect the true picture...unless they expect ETH to enter the pitch and stop the goals by himself.

These fecking idiotic reactions are so embarrassing, even more so if you refresh your memory and remember that both Pep and Klopp have gotten their asses beat in similar fashion both in the PL and other competitions too in their careers.
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Good post and truth.
 
Rojofiam said:
First half it was a neck and neck game but they scored so we fell behind already.

Second half we completely capitulated but still overall we only conceded 2.91 xG.

Yes, we deserved to lose today but it's literally proven by the numbers that 7-0 doesn't at all reflect the true picture...unless they expect ETH to enter the pitch and stop the goals by himself.

These fecking idiotic reactions are so embarrassing, even more so if you refresh your memory and remember that both Pep and Klopp have gotten their asses beat in similar fashion both in the PL and other competitions too in their careers.
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A great example of why xG is such a mind numbingly stupid metric.
 
mu4c_20le said:
ETH is a great manager but there will be ups and downs along the process. There is nothing to suggest the Qataris would be completely hands off with their ownership and let the club run itself. You don't pay upwards of 5bn for a toy just to sit back and watch.
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That does not mean that it's a guarantee they will get rid of ETH either.
 
I honestly can't believe my eyes here this evening, it appears there are people here genuinely thinking ETH's job should be at risk? You cannot be serious
 
Can he ensure that the wheels don't come off now, given that the players basically downed tools on him today?
 
I’ve no doubts he’ll be ruthless in the summer and clear out a lot of these players providing he gets the backing. He certainly doesn’t strike me as a man who’ll take suffering embarrassment well.
 
SER19 said:
I don't know how managers can't see that rashford is clearly at his best on left. Play him there and the opposing full back has a totally different game
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It's a tricky managing job really, as ideally we need 2 Rashford's, wide and up front. Weigy does what he can do, but it's a very limited skill set, and not enough for a game like today.

Hopefully Martial has something to contribute still this season, but you hope there's plans at a decent level for a big summer signing there.
 
RedBanker said:
Can he ensure that the wheels don't come off now, given that the players basically downed tools on him today?
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Yes he can. The spirit he’s instilled isn’t suddenly going away due to one bad half.
 
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