Didn't Bruno put two chances on plate from that right hand side position midweek?
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Didn't Bruno put two chances on plate from that right hand side position midweek?
Being reasonable doesn't mean that they are not questionable especially when it's not the first time that the same set of subs are made and we end up with similar issues. Let say it this way, you agree on the idea that these particular changes limit our ability to counter effectively?
I agree. We could've started Sancho on the right and have Elanga as a 60th min sub. Because ETH went for Elanga from the start, made little sense to sub him for Sancho.
He had very little options now in terms of attack.
I’ll ask you the same question @Pogue Mahone did one last time. What would you have done differently ?
It's easy to say the subs were terrible, and they were, but our bench options are awful so it's not like there's much else he can do differently until we have a couple more transfer windows to improve the squad
i already answered.
I missed the last half hour so don’t know if he was playing wide right or just found himself there.
The idea that Sancho can’t come on and have a positive impact for us but Fornals can for West Ham is fecking bonkers.
That draw against Newcastle is so annoying. We would be in a really good position now. Even the one with Chelsea too. Should have won both games
Yeah he got switched to wide right to accommodate the sub like he did today. Worked quite nicely midweek.
I think you could certainly argue Sancho for Elanga would have been a significant upgrade in terms of helping us control the game more. Whether he was sending a message to Sancho or he genuinely thought bringing on McTominay to put Bruno out wide was the better option, I don't know. It is pretty clear we never had any control over possession through the right side of the pitch, and Fernandes only half playing out there did not help us fix that problem.
Why were they?
Ah so. Well if your answer is one of Sancho, Garnacho or Pellestri just because they’re wide players you should consult my post about Bruno just up the page. I think the subs Erik made were much better decisions.
One of ETH’s subs got on the end of a counter which would have buried the game had he not hit the post, so I don’t get the issues with his subs.
I’m not saying it wasn’t the right call, as soon as he came on I said Ten Hag wanted some more physical players on and pack the midfield. But let’s not pretend mctominay doesn’t always grab hold of players on set pieces. He’s been caught for it once but doesn’t mean he never does it. Alls I’m saying was I’d prefer Fred to come on earlier as he has more about him and can carry the ball a little better.
I don’t think it worked today or last week against Chelsea. It shouldn’t be the go to when we have a winger on the bench.
Because one moment doesn’t negate 30 minutes of a football match. Particularly when that moment didn’t actually count for anything.
I had no issues with his subs. They were all fine. We’ve got feck all for attacking options unless you want to throw Pellistri or Garnacho into the lions den.
I imagine him leaving Ronaldo out there the whole game will strengthen his case when dropping him again. Fred and McTominay are good at making those attacking runs and Fred almost sealed the 2-0 which would have saved everyone the stress at the end there.
*Heh intensifies*
I imagine him leaving Ronaldo out there the whole game will strengthen his case when dropping him again. Fred and McTominay are good at making those attacking runs and Fred almost sealed the 2-0 which would have saved everyone the stress at the end there.
*Heh intensifies*
Garnacho is not very strong but the lad is surely very fast and is a pretty good dribbler. He wouldn't do well playing against a low block but in the last 15' when we were pushed back and effectively playing with a counter approach he'd be much better than Ronaldo or a gassed Bruno imo.
And for the kid part. Rashford started for us at 18 yo I think. Garnacho is of the same age and we're only talking about subbing him in for 15' not starting him.
Don't get this take.
Again I ask what options have we got that can realistically come on and help us push up the pitch. We already lost control of the ball, we packed it to try get a grip in midfield and still struggled, I'm not sure how sancho, or the lightweight unproven kids could have solved this issue.
We literally bare bones, and a shite bench to be honest
Blindingly obvious this is what’s happening.
Sancho is in terrible form and Garnacho+Pellistri aren't ready yet for the big leagues, so not much of viable options to bring on from the bench today, except for McFred, and McFred didn't do as well as Ten Hag hoped in terms of wrestling the control of the game back, but at very least McTominay's presence in the box helped a little.
He clearly brought on McT to a) win defensive headers and b) give us more physical presence in midfield. We can all argue the toss about how well McT achieved these goals (not very, IMO) but that doesn’t make the decision any less understandable. Playing Bruno wide will always be an option. Don’t forget he set Ronaldo up for a goal from there just the other day.
Yes will be interesting to see how we do without Bruno. He is a good game bad game player at the moment.
Yup. Although Fred’s header off the post was 100% McFred in action. Don’t think either of them have ever set the other up for a goal before.
Think you guys are too critical for Erik. Just won an important game after oppositions dropped points. Players were exhausted after 65 minutes and I think his subs made a lot of sense though they didnt have the impact expected.
Another point being missed is that Ronaldo is quite useful defending set pieces as well. So there was more than one justification to leave him on against that lot.
Bar Rashfords goal It was the closest either team came to scoring though…
I get why he decided to bring on Scott, I just think we would have been better off at least giving a go at trying to kill off the game by making a like for like substitution around the 55th minute or so, and if it is still 1-0 around 75-80 minutes, then bring on McTominay for defensive solidity.
Legs in midfield ? Pretty basic stuff…
What I found weird about the Scott sub which I agreed with was how high up he played. Thought he would have been deeper to plug the gaps they were finding but there were still huge gaps after it and he was almost playing as a second striker.
Indeed, that goal would've killed them, unlucky it didn't go in.
I think Ten Hag's idea with the McFred sub was to stop the Hammers from getting on the ball in the central areas uncontested and it didn't work, but our overall defensive shape was solid which helped us seeing off the game, albeit with some help from DDG saves.
Did we get those legs? Did it allow us to match their intensity in midfield or exploit the space that they left?
New Bruno going by that sexy outside of the foot crossHe is the new Fellaini.
Completely. We’re fighting for 4th, 3rd possible but less likely. Acceptable but had we won those 2 we’d be in with a chance or challenging the top 2.
On a other day it goes wide. And the day after that it goes into the keepers hands
Yes. We got legs.
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