Erik ten Hag | 2022/23 & 2023/24

[romufc]

City got Pep's ex-teammate to be their DoF and spent half a billion pounds bringing in players for him before he even got there. You're talking about it like they were shite when Pep arrived but they already had a world class squad. They also spent another half a billion the next few years after he got there.

Also this will be controversial but that Liverpool squad Klopp inherited in 2015 wasn't as bad as United were at the end of last season. They downed tools on Brendan Rodgers but they had some talent, which is why Pool were able to make a few hundred million selling off their unwanted players and Coutinho while United can't even bin anyone off even without a transfer fee.

Oh you want to talk about spend do you? Go have a look how much money Manchester United has spend before saying City spent alot. We have spent more than City... get your facts correct.

Liverpool squad is not better, we may not have been good at the end of last season, but dont act as if people at the start didnt say "Ole is holding back this squad" then Ten Hag got over 200m to spend over the summer, we will still be finishing same as last season 6th.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

1. Klopp took over mid way of the season, did not have a pre season and got europa final. Lets see if Ten Hag even finishes in the top 8.

2. Pep was getting thrashed but were scoring goals, by the end of the season, we saw Pep's style really come into play, the last 15 games they were playing really well with 4/5 nil results.

We are getting pamed 4-0, 6-3 and barely even able to score a goal in home games. We have the lowest defensive line in the league.

Bizarre post. You’re judging ETH on a handful of games and Klopp/Pep by an entire season. You even admit that Klopp/Pep started poorly before finishing strong in their first season, while refusing to accept the possibility that ETH might do the same. Which is, obviously, stupidly biased against him.

 

[Tibs]

Still a lot of work to do.

The press is largely invisible, we're becoming slow again, and most of these 'chances' created are half chances at best.

ETH is the man though

 

[Wednesday at Stoke]

Our defensive height this season is on par with Everton and Palace, our pressing is on par with them and they are nearer to the bottom of the table.

I am worried about that. We wont be able to dominate games if our defensive line is that deep, we will be ripped apart like we have seen this season.

We are a lucky team still, I dont think much has changed from last season. We are better on the ball in the first two phases but other than that, there is alot of improvement required before I say Ten Hag is doing an amazing job.

This is worrying, considering we are not even accommodating Maguire anymore and de Gea has been coming out of his comfort zone a lot more than he has ever done. I fail to see any concrete signs of what this team is transforming into since preseason because this is very much Solskjær style of play.

 

[RedC]

Bizarre post. You’re judging ETH on a handful of games and Klopp/Pep by an entire season. You even admit that Klopp/Pep started poorly before finishing strong in their first season, while refusing to accept the possibility that ETH might do the same. Which is, obviously, stupidly biased against him.

While also ignoring basically every Ajax/Eredivisie fan that has said that he has had 'weak' starts with all of his former clubs, while the players adapt to his methods. We have barely even have a 'weak' start, relative to how we've been playing the last few years.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Our defensive height this season is on par with Everton and Palace, our pressing is on par with them and they are nearer to the bottom of the table.

I am worried about that. We wont be able to dominate games if our defensive line is that deep, we will be ripped apart like we have seen this season.

We are a lucky team still, I dont think much has changed from last season. We are better on the ball in the first two phases but other than that, there is alot of improvement required before I say Ten Hag is doing an amazing job.

Our team isn't athletic enough and the pressing is rubbish. We simply cannot get up the pitch early as players with any running ability waltz through us.

It's going to take a few years and big changes to get this side anywhere near what it should be.

 

[romufc]

Bizarre post. You’re judging ETH on a handful of games and Klopp/Pep by an entire season. You even admit that Klopp/Pep started poorly before finishing strong in their first season, while refusing to accept the possibility that ETH might do the same. Which is, obviously, stupidly biased against him.

Apologies if it comes that way, I understand the job at hand for Ten Hag. I really hope he can get us playing the way he wants us and we see good attacking football by the end of last season.

I also thought he was the best man for the job, still do.

 

[romufc]

This is worrying, considering we are not even accommodating Maguire anymore and de Gea has been coming out of his comfort zone a lot more than he has ever done. I fail to see any concrete signs of what this team is transforming into since preseason because this is very much Solskjær style of play.

Agreed, it is worrying. Someone told me we beat Arsenal and Liverpool so Ten Hag is doing amazing, those two results were Ole Ball, so no one can say he is doing amazing because we all know how Ten Hag wants to play. I only ever heard that we cant play a high line cause of Maguire, yet we are here with the deepest of lines.

Our team isn't athletic enough and the pressing is rubbish. We simply cannot get up the pitch early as players with any running ability waltz through us.

It's going to take a few years and big changes to get this side anywhere near what it should be.

That in its own is a joke, how can a professional footballer not be athletic? Are you saying that Bruno, Rashford, Anthony, Sancho, Eriksen, Casemiro, Dalot, Martinez, Varane, Malacia are not athletic players?

Pressing is taught on the training ground, look at Arsenal, they have not signed athletic players as such, its from the training ground.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Apologies if it comes that way, I understand the job at hand for Ten Hag. I really hope he can get us playing the way he wants us and we see good attacking football by the end of last season.

I also thought he was the best man for the job, still do.

Ok, cool. I think the terrible start to the season has really hindered him in putting his mark on the team. He’s had to become extremely pragmatic to try and get some points on the board. But there’s been definite signs of the Ten Haag brand in recent weeks. Not in terms of pressing or a high defensive line but in terms of the way we play possession football. Lots of passing triangles and generally being much more patient than we used to be. I honestly don’t see how anyone can watch us this season and conclude we’re not playing any differently to how we did under Ole.

Very early days though. I’m really worried about our options up front and what the lack of quality strikers will do to our results, which will further set back any evolution in how we approach the game. Which is a real shame but it is what it is. I don’t see any easy solution unless we can somehow find a top class #9 down the back of the sofa in January.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Pressing is taught on the training ground, look at Arsenal, they have not signed athletic players as such, its from the training ground.

Yeah, look at them. Their results were absolutely fecking diabolical for the last two years. There’s a huge cost with trying to play like a Pep/Klopp team without Pep/Klopp players.

Ten Haag knows he can’t get away with that at United and is at least two more transfer windows away from having a squad that could completely transform the way we play.

 

[romufc]

Ok, cool. I think the terrible start to the season has really hindered him in putting his mark on the team. He’s had to become extremely pragmatic to try and get some points on the board. But there’s been definite signs of the Ten Haag brand in recent weeks. Not in terms of pressing or a high defensive line but in terms of the way we play possession football. Lots of passing triangles and generally being much more patient than we used to be. I honestly don’t see how anyone can watch us this season and conclude we’re not playing any differently to how we did under Ole.

Very early days though. I’m really worried about our options up front and what the lack of quality strikers will do to our results, which will further set back any evolution in how we approach the game. Which is a real shame but it is what it is. I don’t see any easy solution unless we can somehow find a top class #9 down the back of the sofa in January.

I agree in the first 2 phases of play we have improved, we can progress the ball to the final third, then it breaks apart. Ofcourse, things like this happens with teams early in their progress, what I do not see is the individual ability of our forwards shining. Yes the manager this that but if there is a reason our forward line costs so much and is paid so much, they should be game changers when the ball gets to the attacking third.

The problem we will face is the same problems we have faced in 10 years, our owners and recruitment team fail to recognise what needs to be done NOW. We leave everything 1/2 seasons after the problems are apparent and ultimately, it costs the manager his job.

 

[romufc]

Yeah, look at them. Their results were absolutely fecking diabolical for the last two years. There’s a huge cost with trying to play like a Pep/Klopp team without Pep/Klopp players.

Ten Haag knows he can’t get away with that at United and is at least two more transfer windows away from having a squad that could completely transform the way we play.

The difference is we have spent twice what they have. Even whilst playing diabolically, they are ahead and have won a trophy.

Arteta wont he FA cup in his first season.

 

[Adam-Utd]

That in its own is a joke, how can a professional footballer not be athletic? Are you saying that Bruno, Rashford, Anthony, Sancho, Eriksen, Casemiro, Dalot, Martinez, Varane, Malacia are not athletic players?

Pressing is taught on the training ground, look at Arsenal, they have not signed athletic players as such, its from the training ground.

Bruno is too lightweight, he gets knocked off the ball and falls to the floor at the first sign of contact. He ends up getting beaten way too easily by dummies too.

Same with Rashford, does a sprint to make it look like he's trying but just ends up running straight passed the ball

Sancho doesn't press well.

Antony I think is doing great in this regard, I like what I see

Eriksen is slow, lightweight and more importantly doesn't want to get involved.

Casemiro is looking slow and struggling to run.

Dalot? barely wants to walk over the half way line

The other 3 are fine. Yes i'm sure things could get better, but we have a seriously soft centre spine. Ronaldo, Fernandes/Eriksen isn't exactly something you're going to struggle through.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

The difference is we have spent twice what they have. Even whilst playing diabolically, they are ahead and have won a trophy.

Arteta wont he FA cup in his first season.

No. The biggest difference is their current manager is in his third season in charge. ETH has been with us for a grand total of 9 league matches.

Can’t be arsed getting into bean counting over transfer fees but I would be amazed if the total amount of money spent at Arsenal since Arteta took over is lower than the total spend at United last summer. Never mind half as much.

As for Arteta’s FA Cup, you’re doing that weird thing you did earlier in the thread. Slagging ETH off on the basis of a hypothetical comparison, where he comes off badly, in a future that hasn’t actually happened yet. You really need to stop doing that.

 

[The Corinthian]

Our defensive height this season is on par with Everton and Palace, our pressing is on par with them and they are nearer to the bottom of the table.

I am worried about that. We wont be able to dominate games if our defensive line is that deep, we will be ripped apart like we have seen this season.

We are a lucky team still, I dont think much has changed from last season. We are better on the ball in the first two phases but other than that, there is alot of improvement required before I say Ten Hag is doing an amazing job.

Is there a reason this graph is so misleading? The Arsenal bubble is next to Man City, but their x, y point in the graph is behind Liverpool.

Likewise, our x, y is just behind Tottenham, and probably par with Leicester, but our bubble is way to the left.

Unless I'm misreading it?

 

[NZT-One]

The one thing under LVG which people tend to forget is that pressing had not become a major factor in the PL. Most teams regularly just always tried to maintain shape rather than press on the front foot. This meant our meaningless possession around our own penalty box or around the center circle was always unchallenged. However when we were pressed, we used to fold like a deck of cards. If this team also gets that much time and space, we will see meaningless possession from them too.

LVG wanted to help us keep possession but people forget that the meaningless possession was far away from the opponent penalty box and when pressing had not become a big factor yet. Today, LVG's method would be torn to shreds with the squad we had at that time.

Sorry but that's a poor example as well. We had 10 points after LVG's first 10 games and he used various concoction of formations and players, none of which produced possession football until way later in the season, and certainly not good possession football. The Leicester 3-5 game sums up LVG's early start. It was far from possession football. It also involved LVG selling or disregarding some good players and promoting or signing some dross. I think ETH is less insanely idealistic and more pragmatic, because results matter more than possession stats. Although that said, LVG was pragmatic too, the thing that turned it around for LVG was him realising in the second half of the season that we could lump it to Fellaini to beat the opposition midfield line rather than attempting to pass through from the back. Aerial tiki-taka!

It takes time. And even though the team LVG weren't used to playing possession football, most of them had the raw tools in the locker to do so. Especially at a time when the league on the whole wasn't heavily press or possession focused. Now, all teams are well coached in pressing and preventing opposition build up play, and whose raw tools are not favourable to a team attempting to do so at this level.

The more challenging problem for ETH isn't build up play from the back or overall possession, we actually do that quite well at that already especially given we don't have a DLP. It's how to break teams down after that point. For years opposition teams know we struggle to break through a deep defensively line. So if we do succeed in the initial build up phase they lock up shop and we cause little threat despite plenty of the ball.

Do not disagree with lot of things that have been said in those posts but for me, the point was, that it doesn't take huge amounts of time and/or money to become a possession heavy side. Even in LVGs first pre-season the changes were visible. How productive we were with that possession and that we had issues in maybe the first 10 matches isn't relevant when talking about the question. Fact of the matter is: we are playing the way we play because ETH wants us to. Obviously, some players and their skillsets will limit the managers ideas but to say we couldn't play more possession oriented is not correct.

Its because a huge section of our fan base are morons and have the emotions of a spoilt children


Now we getting told he can't play possession football whatever that means, even when his Ajax pretty much dominated every match they played, near sure was 60%+ possession yesterday for example

How isn't that a strike? Is calling a "huge section of our fan base" "morons" and "spoilt childs" do anything positive to the debate? Or is it just because it is ok to slam people as long as they have "the wrong opinion"?

I saw a Ten Hag team yesterday. I have followed Ajax so I know what it looks like.

Ten Hag stamped his authority from day one, and laid down the law after game two. Since then we have been working hard and looking aggressive, with the City game the exception (we looked paralyzed).

As regards to playstyle: 4 3 3 is his preferred formation. We are playing a different system. It fits the players we have, no one is being shoe horned into it.

I’m not sure what your issue is, but you are not making any sense.

Each to their own I guess. I've seen that from time to time but certainly not in the majority of matches. And this isn't even a dig at the manager. I don't think, it helps anybody to attribute stuff to the team what hasn't been there. Being up for an important game isn't the same as working hard and looking aggressive most games. Ole was able to get that out of the players from time to time.

 

[romufc]

No. The biggest difference is their current manager is in his third season in charge. ETH has been with us for a grand total of 9 league matches.

Can’t be arsed getting into bean counting over transfer fees but I would be amazed if the total amount of money spent at Arsenal since Arteta took over is lower than the total spend at United last summer. Never mind half as much.

As for Arteta’s FA Cup, you’re doing that weird thing you did earlier in the thread. Slagging ETH off on the basis of a hypothetical comparison, where he comes off badly, in a future that hasn’t actually happened yet. You really need to stop doing that.

I am not going to lie, I am expecting Ten Hag to transform his play style sooner than 3 years.

Its fine if you think 3 years is the right time frame but for me 3 years is not acceptable.

 

[Leftback99]

Is there a reason this graph is so misleading? The Arsenal bubble is next to Man City, but their x, y point in the graph is behind Liverpool.

Likewise, our x, y is just behind Tottenham, and probably par with Leicester, but our bubble is way to the left.

Unless I'm misreading it?

It's this season (bubble) vs last season (opposite end of line).

Doesn't make good reading for us.

 

[wolvored]

Yeah, look at them. Their results were absolutely fecking diabolical for the last two years. There’s a huge cost with trying to play like a Pep/Klopp team without Pep/Klopp players.

Ten Haag knows he can’t get away with that at United and is at least two more transfer windows away from having a squad that could completely transform the way we play.

Agree with this. We need to keep the faith even if it takes 2 seasons to show real progression. If we are playing similar to Arsenal by season 3, with all the deadwood gone and around the top of the league it will be worth it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

I am not going to lie, I am expecting Ten Hag to transform his play style sooner than 3 years.

Its fine if you think 3 years is the right time frame but for me 3 years is not acceptable.

I also want to see improvement sooner than 3 years but you’re the one who brought Arteta/Arsenal into the debate.

 

[Eddy_JukeZ]

You can't press with Ronaldo in the team and he's started maybe half of the games in the Premier League.

But the pressing has been disappointing so far. There's always a player late to press after we initiate it.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

It's this season (bubble) vs last season (opposite end of line).

Doesn't make good reading for us.

Only if you ignore the fixture list.

 

[The Corinthian]

It's this season (bubble) vs last season (opposite end of line).

Doesn't make good reading for us.

Ah got you - totally missed that. thanks.

 

[UnrelatedPsuedo]

They have dropped a division correct but that doesn’t account for a such a radical change in playing style. They’ve gone from one extreme to another all within a pre-season. They’ve gone from being a long ball team to an extreme possession hogging side. As I said originally, it’s a total myth that you need to spend crazy amounts of money over numerous years to play possession football. Believe it if you want.

You do need better players than your opposition to do it with the snap of your fingers though.

 

[The Uncle of All Uncles]

I find it strange that people have retroactively taken a different view on Pep's first season at Man City in order to allow for a lot more leeway for us in our predicament.

Pep won his first 10 games in a row that season, and the unmistakable Pep-style was evident in their play from the get-go. They suffered a few bad defeats (Barca 4-0, Leicester 4-2, Everton 4-0) but not as many as people seem to remember. And they did it whilst sticking to the coach's principles, not being 'pragmatic'.

They ended the season on 78 points, finishing 15 points off the leaders in 3rd place (and we all laughed!!). However, they scored 80 goals in the league, and dished out a few hammerings of their own. And whilst their squad was good, it wasn't as amazing as people say. They had Bravo in goals, Zabaleta and Clichy as full-backs, Nolito up front. A lot of replacements were needed, and they got some in that summer (Gundogan, Sane and Stones being the main ones). But they still played Pep's football.

I think we'd all be very happy with 78 points and 80 goals scored in the league ourselves this year. I hope to see a bigger improvement in our playstyle coming soon, or I fear we'll have gotten ourselves a good-but-not-great manager, and that's just not going to be good enough.

 

[Gycraig]

Oh you want to talk about spend do you? Go have a look how much money Manchester United has spend before saying City spent alot. We have spent more than City... get your facts correct.

Liverpool squad is not better, we may not have been good at the end of last season, but dont act as if people at the start didnt say "Ole is holding back this squad" then Ten Hag got over 200m to spend over the summer, we will still be finishing same as last season 6th.

there is a massive difference between one of the worlds best managers having players bought for him before he got here, which pep got, followed by a ton of money which pep got.

and ten hags situation, ole spent millions on dross, ragnick largely bought dross. City scouted pep tapped him up and prepared for him, we had an ex player with no experience followed by a coach who got found out / gave up.

how are we the same as last season, every signing he’s made is looking great, the biggest problem we have is our only Good striker is injured and Ronaldo has aged horribly.

We wanted a left back we got one we wanted a centre mid we got one we wanted a right winger we got one. I’d bet heavily we will get top 4 this season

 

[red_de_pologne]

I find it strange that people have retroactively taken a different view on Pep's first season at Man City in order to allow for a lot more leeway for us in our predicament.

Pep won his first 10 games in a row that season, and the unmistakable Pep-style was evident in their play from the get-go. They suffered a few bad defeats (Barca 4-0, Leicester 4-2, Everton 4-0) but not as many as people seem to remember. And they did it whilst sticking to the coach's principles, not being 'pragmatic'.

They ended the season on 78 points, finishing 15 points off the leaders in 3rd place (and we all laughed!!). However, they scored 80 goals in the league, and dished out a few hammerings of their own. And whilst their squad was good, it wasn't as amazing as people say. They had Bravo in goals, Zabaleta and Clichy as full-backs, Nolito up front. A lot of replacements were needed, and they got some in that summer (Gundogan, Sane and Stones being the main ones). But they still played Pep's football.

I think we'd all be very happy with 78 points and 80 goals scored in the league ourselves this year. I hope to see a bigger improvement in our playstyle coming soon, or I fear we'll have gotten ourselves a good-but-not-great manager, and that's just not going to be good enough.

Are you trying to say Erik Ten Hag isn't currently on the level of prime, CL-winner Pep?

 

[redshaw]

We do need some bargains I feel. People are talking about Toney who went to Brentford for 5 million. I wish the club would spot some of these players that are proving themselves (check his goals for the last 4 years) and try them out and sell them on perhaps even for profit like James. We tend to come up with Angel Gomes, Chong, Elanga and pump them up as saviours and the other extreme of too many costly players spread out and getting nowhere.

I'm all in on ETH for 3 years with clear progress, he has a lot of work to do but may need more players instead working miracles with what we have and we can't be dropping 50-80 million on each position and advancing spending and clinging on to lightweight players that drift away.

Hopefully there's more to come this season, we haven't had Eriksen, Bruno, Casemiro chip in with the goals yet, all have come close, especially Eriksen a few times.

 

[Tarrou]

I find it strange that people have retroactively taken a different view on Pep's first season at Man City in order to allow for a lot more leeway for us in our predicament.

Pep won his first 10 games in a row that season, and the unmistakable Pep-style was evident in their play from the get-go. They suffered a few bad defeats (Barca 4-0, Leicester 4-2, Everton 4-0) but not as many as people seem to remember. And they did it whilst sticking to the coach's principles, not being 'pragmatic'.

They ended the season on 78 points, finishing 15 points off the leaders in 3rd place (and we all laughed!!). However, they scored 80 goals in the league, and dished out a few hammerings of their own. And whilst their squad was good, it wasn't as amazing as people say. They had Bravo in goals, Zabaleta and Clichy as full-backs, Nolito up front. A lot of replacements were needed, and they got some in that summer (Gundogan, Sane and Stones being the main ones). But they still played Pep's football.

I think we'd all be very happy with 78 points and 80 goals scored in the league ourselves this year. I hope to see a bigger improvement in our playstyle coming soon, or I fear we'll have gotten ourselves a good-but-not-great manager, and that's just not going to be good enough.

City finished 15 points of the season before he joined as well. United finished 35 points off last year, so there's a fair bit more ground to be made up.

 

[sullydnl]

I find it strange that people have retroactively taken a different view on Pep's first season at Man City in order to allow for a lot more leeway for us in our predicament.

Pep won his first 10 games in a row that season, and the unmistakable Pep-style was evident in their play from the get-go. They suffered a few bad defeats (Barca 4-0, Leicester 4-2, Everton 4-0) but not as many as people seem to remember. And they did it whilst sticking to the coach's principles, not being 'pragmatic'.

They ended the season on 78 points, finishing 15 points off the leaders in 3rd place (and we all laughed!!). However, they scored 80 goals in the league, and dished out a few hammerings of their own. And whilst their squad was good, it wasn't as amazing as people say. They had Bravo in goals, Zabaleta and Clichy as full-backs, Nolito up front. A lot of replacements were needed, and they got some in that summer (Gundogan, Sane and Stones being the main ones). But they still played Pep's football.

I think we'd all be very happy with 78 points and 80 goals scored in the league ourselves this year. I hope to see a bigger improvement in our playstyle coming soon, or I fear we'll have gotten ourselves a good-but-not-great manager, and that's just not going to be good enough.

Pep inherited a squad with KDB, Sterling, Fernandinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Clichy and Yaya Toure in it, then spent 180m in his first transfer window.

No shit he was able to implement his preferred style of play quicker. That's a miles better collection of players much better suited to that sort of football.

 

[AlexiV]

On course for 68 points and feels like this is where we'll be at come end of the season. Might make top-4 with this haul might not. Unless he adds this with a succes in a cup competition this is a failure for me after the money spend. Hope he finds his mojo and gets us playing his brand of football which was exciting to watch at Ajax.

 

[Desert Eagle]

Pep inherited a squad with KDB, Sterling, Fernandinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Clichy and Yaya Toure in it, then spent 180m in his first transfer window.

No shit he was able to implement his preferred style of play quicker. That's a miles better collection of players much better suited to that sort of football.

Not to mention both of his predecessors had won the league.

 

[evil_geko]

Our defensive height this season is on par with Everton and Palace, our pressing is on par with them and they are nearer to the bottom of the table.

I am worried about that. We wont be able to dominate games if our defensive line is that deep, we will be ripped apart like we have seen this season.

We are a lucky team still, I dont think much has changed from last season. We are better on the ball in the first two phases but other than that, there is alot of improvement required before I say Ten Hag is doing an amazing job.

Will some of you think and look at context and not just bury your head in stats and numbers, we had VERY difficult set of fixtures while we had new manager bedding in new system, new players etc. Of course from those set of games we will have lower defensive line on average ffs, other than those games, our line was high. Numbers numbers numbers. Fecking hell.

I genuinely feel sorry for set of fans on here who can't enjoy and appreciate nice and slow progression and improvements, and with each game we see exactly that, too many spoilt fans with "high standards" and need for instant gratification.

 

[Luka Mora]

This is worrying, considering we are not even accommodating Maguire anymore and de Gea has been coming out of his comfort zone a lot more than he has ever done. I fail to see any concrete signs of what this team is transforming into since preseason because this is very much Solskjær style of play.

Careful, you will be called childish, spoilt, a moron, troll and a fan who only knows the fergie good ol days, if you express any concerns.

 

[romufc]

Will some of you think and look at context and not just bury your head in stats and numbers, we had VERY difficult set of fixtures while we had new manager bedding in new system, new players etc. Of course from those set of games we will have lower defensive line on average ffs, other than those games, our line was high. Numbers numbers numbers. Fecking hell.

I genuinely feel sorry for set of fans on here who can't enjoy nice and slow progression and improvements, and with each game we see exactly that, too many spoilt fans with "high standards" and need for instant gratification.

Oh sorry, I forgot we are the ONLY club that have had to face difficult games this season. The numbers are average, not just the hard games we have faced.

Newcastle, Brighton, Brentford, Leeds, Chelsea have all had the same fixtures we have.

I dont get why fans think playing 3 out of the top 6 means we have had the hardest fixtures, as if the other clubs in the PL dont have to play the same teams.

 

[evil_geko]

Oh sorry, I forgot we are the ONLY club that have had to face difficult games this season. The numbers are average, not just the hard games we have faced.

Newcastle, Brighton, Brentford, Leeds, Chelsea have all had the same fixtures we have.

I dont get why fans think playing 3 out of the top 6 means we have had the hardest fixtures, as if the other clubs in the PL dont have to play the same teams.

It's all good, go back to your spreadsheets mate. Cheers. I can't anymore.

 

[romufc]

It's all good, go back to your spreadsheets mate. Cheers. I can't anymore.

Yeah its all good, lets not look at numbers, lets not look at the table cause that's numbers and is fake. Lets look at eye test and that will decide the title winners.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

9 games of excuses and it still isn’t perfect.
Ta-ra, Ten Hag

 

[MDFC Manager]

Pep inherited a squad with KDB, Sterling, Fernandinho, Aguero, Silva, Kompany, Zabaleta, Clichy and Yaya Toure in it, then spent 180m in his first transfer window.

No shit he was able to implement his preferred style of play quicker. That's a miles better collection of players much better suited to that sort of football.

Besides they were moulding the first team, the academy and the entire structure to suit Pep much before he went there.

 

[Spark]

Wait do people think Ten Hag is shit or something?